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I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.

I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).

I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.

Thru basically gave Emerald Chase two choices: merge with Fox Mill and go to SLHS with other Fox Mill kids (no split feeder scenario 3) or stay with Oak Hill and split at MS/HS level (scenario 4).

I get that Emerald Chase parents may want to avoid SLHS but KAA can take only 2000 kids and Chantilly needs relief.

Emerald Chase parents have been very vocal about what they want. But it’s not like the school board and Thru ignored their original complaints.

I don't live in Emerald Chase, but nearby. I think they sincerely hate the split feeder thing. It seems that any time people object to going to a different school that people assume it is because it is a less desirable school.

I will remind you that during the South Lakes boundary study that Chantilly neighborhoods fought against one another to stay at Chantilly over Oakton--which, at the time, was considered a much more "desirable" school.

Then they can go with Scenario 3. No split feeding under Scenario 3.

But they lobbied hard against Scenario 3 to stay with Oak Hill. Now their wish is granted under Scenario 4. Are they going to complain about split feeding this time?

To be clear FCPS is not creating a new split feeding pattern here. Emerald Chase kids are currenlty going to Westfield, while the most Oak Hill kids are going to Chantilly.

Doubt those Oak Hill kids stay at Chantilly with the opening of KAA. Will be interesting to see what happens with those maps, as Dr. Reid indicated last night there will be changes at the MS and HS level which will be "feathered" into the Scenario 4 map. So basically buckle in.

Non Emerald Chase Oak Hill kids will likely get moved from Chantilly as Chantilly needs some relief.

I thought about this, and Oak Hill doesn’t necessarily need to move.

While Chantilly certainly needs relief, if Floris, McNair, and Coates are moved from Westfield to KAA, Westfield’s enrollment will drop so significantly (by about 1,000 or more students) that the county will likely need to move students from Chantilly to Westfield. For example, Brookfield could go to Westfield.

Oak Hill is right next to KAA though and more than half of it goes to Chantilly.

I get that and some Oak Hill kids may well end up getting moved from Chantily to KAA.

But my question is this: what are you going to do if Westfield enrollment drops from 2700 to 1700?

So far, no one answered to this question.

How are you seeing 1000 kids move from Westfield to KAA? Kids will be coming from Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton, and maybe even South Lakes.

How many kids from Coates, Floris, and McNair? That’s mostly Westfield and they should be the first moved to KAA.

Under Scenario 4

Floris: 731 (let's say 25% goes to SLHS, then 548)
McNair Upper: 627
McNair Lower: 571
Coates: 688
Total: 2534

Assuming a uniform distribution across grades, each grade would have about 362 students.

362*4 = 1448

1,000 is a conservatie estimate.

Y’all don’t seem to realize how crowded this part of the county is.

Everyone has been assuming that Floris, McNair, and Coates students will move from Westfield to KAA, but nobody has addressed what will happen with the massive enrollment drop at Westfield.

Curious here. You are essentially double counting McNair. Do you know the difference between McNair Upper and McNair?

McNair: PK-2
McNair: 3-6

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I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.

I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).

I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.

Thru basically gave Emerald Chase two choices: merge with Fox Mill and go to SLHS with other Fox Mill kids (no split feeder scenario 3) or stay with Oak Hill and split at MS/HS level (scenario 4).

I get that Emerald Chase parents may want to avoid SLHS but KAA can take only 2000 kids and Chantilly needs relief.

Emerald Chase parents have been very vocal about what they want. But it’s not like the school board and Thru ignored their original complaints.

I don't live in Emerald Chase, but nearby. I think they sincerely hate the split feeder thing. It seems that any time people object to going to a different school that people assume it is because it is a less desirable school.

I will remind you that during the South Lakes boundary study that Chantilly neighborhoods fought against one another to stay at Chantilly over Oakton--which, at the time, was considered a much more "desirable" school.

Then they can go with Scenario 3. No split feeding under Scenario 3.

But they lobbied hard against Scenario 3 to stay with Oak Hill. Now their wish is granted under Scenario 4. Are they going to complain about split feeding this time?

To be clear FCPS is not creating a new split feeding pattern here. Emerald Chase kids are currenlty going to Westfield, while the most Oak Hill kids are going to Chantilly.

Doubt those Oak Hill kids stay at Chantilly with the opening of KAA. Will be interesting to see what happens with those maps, as Dr. Reid indicated last night there will be changes at the MS and HS level which will be "feathered" into the Scenario 4 map. So basically buckle in.

Non Emerald Chase Oak Hill kids will likely get moved from Chantilly as Chantilly needs some relief.

I thought about this, and Oak Hill doesn’t necessarily need to move.

While Chantilly certainly needs relief, if Floris, McNair, and Coates are moved from Westfield to KAA, Westfield’s enrollment will drop so significantly (by about 1,000 or more students) that the county will likely need to move students from Chantilly to Westfield. For example, Brookfield could go to Westfield.

Oak Hill is right next to KAA though and more than half of it goes to Chantilly.

I get that and some Oak Hill kids may well end up getting moved from Chantily to KAA.

But my question is this: what are you going to do if Westfield enrollment drops from 2700 to 1700?

So far, no one answered to this question.

How are you seeing 1000 kids move from Westfield to KAA? Kids will be coming from Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton, and maybe even South Lakes.

How many kids from Coates, Floris, and McNair? That’s mostly Westfield and they should be the first moved to KAA.

Under Scenario 4

Floris: 731 (let's say 25% goes to SLHS, then 548)
McNair Upper: 627
McNair Lower: 571
Coates: 688
Total: 2534

Assuming a uniform distribution across grades, each grade would have about 362 students.

362*4 = 1448

1,000 is a conservatie estimate.

Y’all don’t seem to realize how crowded this part of the county is.

Everyone has been assuming that Floris, McNair, and Coates students will move from Westfield to KAA, but nobody has addressed what will happen with the massive enrollment drop at Westfield.

You're off. I actually did the math a few pages back - some of the schools also have declining enrollment with far fewer younger kids than older kids. You can kind of see this in the McNair upper vs lower numbers.

Mine is off because it shows way more than 1,000 (LOL).

Show me your calculation showing the impact is lower than 1,000.

I'm basing mine on Scenario 4 (https://www.fcpsboundaryreview.org).

Under Scenario 4, all of Coates's students are going to Westfield. Also, I don't think the trend matters for the anticipated enrollment figures in the boundary tool.

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone estimating impacts to Westfield, here’s a cookie. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Coates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf

Interesting that Floris is about half and half Westfield and South Lakes.

I'd love to see the Spa for high school--and also to know how old that information is.

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I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.

I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).

I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.

Thru basically gave Emerald Chase two choices: merge with Fox Mill and go to SLHS with other Fox Mill kids (no split feeder scenario 3) or stay with Oak Hill and split at MS/HS level (scenario 4).

I get that Emerald Chase parents may want to avoid SLHS but KAA can take only 2000 kids and Chantilly needs relief.

Emerald Chase parents have been very vocal about what they want. But it’s not like the school board and Thru ignored their original complaints.

I don't live in Emerald Chase, but nearby. I think they sincerely hate the split feeder thing. It seems that any time people object to going to a different school that people assume it is because it is a less desirable school.

I will remind you that during the South Lakes boundary study that Chantilly neighborhoods fought against one another to stay at Chantilly over Oakton--which, at the time, was considered a much more "desirable" school.

Then they can go with Scenario 3. No split feeding under Scenario 3.

But they lobbied hard against Scenario 3 to stay with Oak Hill. Now their wish is granted under Scenario 4. Are they going to complain about split feeding this time?

To be clear FCPS is not creating a new split feeding pattern here. Emerald Chase kids are currenlty going to Westfield, while the most Oak Hill kids are going to Chantilly.

Doubt those Oak Hill kids stay at Chantilly with the opening of KAA. Will be interesting to see what happens with those maps, as Dr. Reid indicated last night there will be changes at the MS and HS level which will be "feathered" into the Scenario 4 map. So basically buckle in.

Non Emerald Chase Oak Hill kids will likely get moved from Chantilly as Chantilly needs some relief.

I thought about this, and Oak Hill doesn’t necessarily need to move.

While Chantilly certainly needs relief, if Floris, McNair, and Coates are moved from Westfield to KAA, Westfield’s enrollment will drop so significantly (by about 1,000 or more students) that the county will likely need to move students from Chantilly to Westfield. For example, Brookfield could go to Westfield.

Oak Hill is right next to KAA though and more than half of it goes to Chantilly.

I get that and some Oak Hill kids may well end up getting moved from Chantily to KAA.

But my question is this: what are you going to do if Westfield enrollment drops from 2700 to 1700?

So far, no one answered to this question.

How are you seeing 1000 kids move from Westfield to KAA? Kids will be coming from Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton, and maybe even South Lakes.

How many kids from Coates, Floris, and McNair? That’s mostly Westfield and they should be the first moved to KAA.

Under Scenario 4

Floris: 731 (let's say 25% goes to SLHS, then 548)
McNair Upper: 627
McNair Lower: 571
Coates: 688
Total: 2534

Assuming a uniform distribution across grades, each grade would have about 362 students.

362*4 = 1448

1,000 is a conservatie estimate.

Y’all don’t seem to realize how crowded this part of the county is.

Everyone has been assuming that Floris, McNair, and Coates students will move from Westfield to KAA, but nobody has addressed what will happen with the massive enrollment drop at Westfield.

You're off. I actually did the math a few pages back - some of the schools also have declining enrollment with far fewer younger kids than older kids. You can kind of see this in the McNair upper vs lower numbers.

Mine is off because it shows way more than 1,000 (LOL).

Show me your calculation showing the impact is lower than 1,000.

I'm basing mine on Scenario 4 (https://www.fcpsboundaryreview.org).

Under Scenario 4, all of Coates's students are going to Westfield. Also, I don't think the trend matters for the anticipated enrollment figures in the boundary tool.

Agree, sadly they're not looking at the trend for the County Wide Boundary. Hopefully they will for the KAA review. That being said, the trend is the complete opposite for Coates last I looked. The lower grades have many more kids than the upper grades because the housing developments west of Centreville road that have opened the past couple of years. The math of all of this makes the brain hurt

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45% of Westfield's student population comes from Carson MS. 50% from Stone MS and the rest from AAP centers which is primarily Rocky Run MS.
If all of the Westfield students at Carson MS get shifted to KAA Westfield's class sizes will drop from 700 to 375-400. Which means in 2-3 years Westfield will have less than 1600 students.

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PP has also forgotten that in Scenario 4, part of Centreville is moving to Westfield

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Anonymous wrote:45% of Westfield's student population comes from Carson MS. 50% from Stone MS and the rest from AAP centers which is primarily Rocky Run MS.
If all of the Westfield students at Carson MS get shifted to KAA Westfield's class sizes will drop from 700 to 375-400. Which means in 2-3 years Westfield will have less than 1600 students.

Where are you getting those percentages? And, have you added in Scenario 4?

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone estimating impacts to Westfield, here’s a cookie. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Coates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf

Interesting that Floris is about half and half Westfield and South Lakes.

I'd love to see the Spa for high school--and also to know how old that information is.

I live in this area, and remember this PDF from the Coates study. It's extremely helpful to look at the SPAs, and where local knowledge is critical. For example, SPAs 1504/2403 currently show less than 80 kids however they've finish building most of the new housing development in these SPAs that will probably add another 100 kids in the next couple of years. I'm basing this off of a similar development (SP 2401) that just finished a couple of years ago. Again, this area continues to blow up which is why Coates ES enrollment got out of hand.

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone estimating impacts to Westfield, here’s a cookie. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Coates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf

Interesting that Floris is about half and half Westfield and South Lakes.

I'd love to see the Spa for high school--and also to know how old that information is.

I live in this area, and remember this PDF from the Coates study. It's extremely helpful to look at the SPAs, and where local knowledge is critical. For example, SPAs 1504/2403 currently show less than 80 kids however they've finish building most of the new housing development in these SPAs that will probably add another 100 kids in the next couple of years. I'm basing this off of a similar development (SP 2401) that just finished a couple of years ago. Again, this area continues to blow up which is why Coates ES enrollment got out of hand.

There is also multifamily housing going up behind Costco and by the Westfield DMV. And, of course the new developments on the Wegman's/Walmart side of 28. (that side confuses me between Chantilly and Westfield--but they ought to send all of it to Westfield.)

But the yield from high school should be around half of the Spa ?

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Anonymous wrote:45% of Westfield's student population comes from Carson MS. 50% from Stone MS and the rest from AAP centers which is primarily Rocky Run MS.
If all of the Westfield students at Carson MS get shifted to KAA Westfield's class sizes will drop from 700 to 375-400. Which means in 2-3 years Westfield will have less than 1600 students.

Where are you getting those percentages? And, have you added in Scenario 4?

I feel like even if these numbers are indeed slightly off, the mass exodus from Westfield means not only Oak Hill being moved out of Chantilly but I wonder if they'd look at Brookfield (which someone brough up earlier) or heck even Lees Corner being sent to Westfield to fill that gap. Or, they leave a lot more extra space at Westfield in preparation for all of the development down that way by the HS/Wegmans...

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Anonymous wrote:45% of Westfield's student population comes from Carson MS. 50% from Stone MS and the rest from AAP centers which is primarily Rocky Run MS.
If all of the Westfield students at Carson MS get shifted to KAA Westfield's class sizes will drop from 700 to 375-400. Which means in 2-3 years Westfield will have less than 1600 students.

Where are you getting those percentages? And, have you added in Scenario 4?

I feel like even if these numbers are indeed slightly off, the mass exodus from Westfield means not only Oak Hill being moved out of Chantilly but I wonder if they'd look at Brookfield (which someone brough up earlier) or heck even Lees Corner being sent to Westfield to fill that gap. Or, they leave a lot more extra space at Westfield in preparation for all of the development down that way by the HS/Wegmans...

I don't see it happening. Scenario 3 pulled some kids from Chantilly to Westfield, but a tantrum was had and they are all back at Chantilly for Scenario 4. Then they added even more kids to Chantilly from Fairfax. What they really need to do is just start the entire area over from scratch, but nobody has the balls for that.

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Anonymous wrote:45% of Westfield's student population comes from Carson MS. 50% from Stone MS and the rest from AAP centers which is primarily Rocky Run MS.
If all of the Westfield students at Carson MS get shifted to KAA Westfield's class sizes will drop from 700 to 375-400. Which means in 2-3 years Westfield will have less than 1600 students.

Where are you getting those percentages? And, have you added in Scenario 4?

I feel like even if these numbers are indeed slightly off, the mass exodus from Westfield means not only Oak Hill being moved out of Chantilly but I wonder if they'd look at Brookfield (which someone brough up earlier) or heck even Lees Corner being sent to Westfield to fill that gap. Or, they leave a lot more extra space at Westfield in preparation for all of the development down that way by the HS/Wegmans...

I don't see the 45% at Westfield.

Remember: Carson has roughly 1000 students without the AAP center kids from Franklin.
Take out 250 for Crossfield. 250 for Fox Mill. Say 200 for Floris.
That yields 300 for Westfield X 2 to allow for four years of high school. So, I get about 600 for Westfield. That would still leave them at better than 2000.

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone estimating impacts to Westfield, here’s a cookie. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Coates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf

Interesting that Floris is about half and half Westfield and South Lakes.

I'd love to see the Spa for high school--and also to know how old that information is.

I live in this area, and remember this PDF from the Coates study. It's extremely helpful to look at the SPAs, and where local knowledge is critical. For example, SPAs 1504/2403 currently show less than 80 kids however they've finish building most of the new housing development in these SPAs that will probably add another 100 kids in the next couple of years. I'm basing this off of a similar development (SP 2401) that just finished a couple of years ago. Again, this area continues to blow up which is why Coates ES enrollment got out of hand.

Yup. And that's why they had to build McNair Upper (can you believe they had to split the elementary school into two because enrollment is blowing up?!). Many people don’t realize how crowded this area is.

This is why the school board has pretty much ruled out the magnet school idea. They know this area desperately needs relief.

This also shows how completely clueless Reid is.

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone estimating impacts to Westfield, here’s a cookie. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Coates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf

Interesting that Floris is about half and half Westfield and South Lakes.

I'd love to see the Spa for high school--and also to know how old that information is.

I live in this area, and remember this PDF from the Coates study. It's extremely helpful to look at the SPAs, and where local knowledge is critical. For example, SPAs 1504/2403 currently show less than 80 kids however they've finish building most of the new housing development in these SPAs that will probably add another 100 kids in the next couple of years. I'm basing this off of a similar development (SP 2401) that just finished a couple of years ago. Again, this area continues to blow up which is why Coates ES enrollment got out of hand.

Yup. And that's why they had to build McNair Upper (can you believe they had to split the elementary school into two because enrollment is blowing up?!). Many people don’t realize how crowded this area is.

This is why the school board has pretty much ruled out the magnet school idea. They know this area desperately needs relief.

This also shows how completely clueless Reid is.

And, the Westfield area is beginning to blow up, too. Even without the KAA kids.

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Anonymous wrote:45% of Westfield's student population comes from Carson MS. 50% from Stone MS and the rest from AAP centers which is primarily Rocky Run MS.
If all of the Westfield students at Carson MS get shifted to KAA Westfield's class sizes will drop from 700 to 375-400. Which means in 2-3 years Westfield will have less than 1600 students.

Where are you getting those percentages? And, have you added in Scenario 4?

I feel like even if these numbers are indeed slightly off, the mass exodus from Westfield means not only Oak Hill being moved out of Chantilly but I wonder if they'd look at Brookfield (which someone brough up earlier) or heck even Lees Corner being sent to Westfield to fill that gap. Or, they leave a lot more extra space at Westfield in preparation for all of the development down that way by the HS/Wegmans...

I don't see the 45% at Westfield.

Remember: Carson has roughly 1000 students without the AAP center kids from Franklin.
Take out 250 for Crossfield. 250 for Fox Mill. Say 200 for Floris.
That yields 300 for Westfield X 2 to allow for four years of high school. So, I get about 600 for Westfield. That would still leave them at better than 2000.

LOL. I love how DCUM posters are not good with numbers. The numbers are all out there. Fox Mill and Crossfield are two smallest schools for Carson.

Under Scenario 4

Floris: 731
McNair Upper: 627
McNair Lower: 571
Coates: 688
Fox Mill: 651
Crossfield: 529