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Anonymous
It looks like we are on the same page. Remember, there is no difference between a transwoman and a predatory cismale who makes the statement they identify as a woman. Perhaps if trans activists didn't insist on accepting predatory cis-males who state "I identify as a woman" as transwomen, a more productive conversation could be had. |
Anonymous
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That quote echoes my post from a week or so ago. I’m not worried about the trans women. I’m worried about men who will use the lack of socially acceptable gender norms to access women’s spaces with illicit or illegal intentions.
Hormones, surgery, none of it matters. By eliminating gender norms, I believe women only spaces become less safe. |
Anonymous
Sure. Here’s a link from UCLA Law. Trans people are victims of violent crime more than four times as often as cis people. https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/ Here’s one about transgender rates of violence. https://vsac.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/FORGE-Rates-of-Violence.pdf |
Anonymous
A) Cis men can come into bathrooms now. The fact that cis men seek out isolated places for sex crimes shows they’ll do this with or without a bathroom ban. B) Forcing trans men to use the women’s room means you’re inviting people who present as men, very convincingly, into your bathrooms. Tell me how that makes you feel comfortable. Are you going to ask if they’re trans? Are you going to peek under the stall to prove to yourself that they haven’t got a penis? Do you really not realize that insisting people who identify as men, often have facial hair, dress as men, look and sound like men use the ladies room makes it significantly easier for cis men to use the women’s bathroom? Having people who mostly look like women/present as women use the women’s bathroom makes people who present as men in a women’s bathroom more noticeable. So noticeable, in fact, I’ve seen videos of women with short hair, possibly non-binary but maybe they’re just tomboys, get harassed for being men trying to use the women’s facilities (why can’t girls be tomboys anymore without getting harassed by bathroom police?). That’s not helping anyone. |
Anonymous
How likely anyone is to be a victim themself has no bearing on how likely others are to be victimized by them. |
Anonymous
Your argument assumes that we should do nothing about the problem of male violence or allow this problem to worsen simply because the problem already exists. The fact that a problem already exists does not justify allowing an aggravation of the problem. It also does not justify allowing additional problems to occur. Just because male prison guards have assaulted incarcerated females does not mean that we should also now allow biological males to be incarcerated with biological females. |
Anonymous
Prison is completely different from the rest of the world. Come the f on. And no one cared about prison assault when it was gangs of men assaulting other men or male guards assaulting women. Beyond no one caring, it’s actually a point of humor that trans women are assaulted in male prisons. Even if you want to have a real discussion about prison dynamics, it has to be separated from things like locker rooms and bathrooms, just like priests and stepdads and date rapes are separated from prison sexual assault. And no, I don’t think we should do nothing about male violence against women. I think we should do a lot against the cis het men who perpetrate the majority of sex crimes. I also care about women’s health, including reproductive health. Basically, most of the problems lead back to cis het men either trying to control women, possess women, or have sex with women. Let’s fix that, which is the majority of the sex crimes against women, then we can worry about the handful of trans women who assault women. Even in the studies linked in this thread, we’re taking about what, maybe 100 trans women or cis men claiming to be trans to garner sympathy. For all your concern about rape of cis women, be aware that outing transgender people is going to lead to them being raped, violently assaulted and harassed, in prison and out. I get it though, they’re already 4x likely to be raped than cis women, so they should be used to it. Or they’re only 1% of the population so who cares if 1/2 of 1% is raped. Out them and misgender them because Bible stuff. It’s funny how you care if a tiny part of 1% commits any kind of crime but still support the agenda of churches that hide sex crimes (aka Baptist and Catholic Churches). Even if it’s not every priest or preacher raping children, there’s a hierarchical coverup, and it’s that doctrine that spurs on this transphobic agenda. It’s especially frustrating to me when this is a real issue that affects me and my child, and it’s a theoretical issue for most of you. I guarandamntee you some of you have been around trans people, especially trans men, and didn’t realize it. You’d never know my son doesn’t have a penis until he shows up in the bathroom next to your child and his his beard and muscles, then you’d freak the f out that there’s a dude in the bathroom while your daughter watches the Mario movie. That’s going to damage your princess peach sensibilities far more than if the DCUM trans woman poster went to the bathroom with y’all. At most, you’d be wondering, was that a trans woman? But her hair and makeup was on point. Couldn’t be. But my son comes in and you’d be so upset that a guy with a beard wants to pee next to your prepubescent child, when that’s what you’re trying to codify. That’s what’s going to put him and cause him harm. Do you really not see what you’re asking for? |
Anonymous
So was this just a mistake, or is calling a transwoman male now considered misgendering? |
Anonymous
Misgender them “because of bible stuff”? I’m an atheist as are many others who have posted here. I don’t subscribe to any faith based system which is not rooted in reality, including Christianity and gender ideology. |
Anonymous
I see You completely ignore point b |
Anonymous
Because point b is nonsensical. There is no requirement for a trans woman to “present” as a woman and vice versa. It’s pointless to discuss the “rights” of a beautiful post op female presenting male transgender woman because they are no different than a cis male predator who looks like Randy Savage and utters that he identifies as a woman. |
Anonymous
You are making a lot of assumptions about what I’m asking for. I don’t particularly care what trans men do because they are biological females. I also couldn’t care less about the Catholic Church because like the PPs I am also an atheist. I also have spent plenty of time around trans people who “pass” so don’t need to lecture me about your child’s manly beard or muscles. Did you say it is a point of humor when people are assaulted in prison? That is vile. |
Anonymous
New poster. I’d settle for any factual data that shows that trans women patterns of criminality are different than males. I’ve looked long and hard for it. It doesn’t exist. But of course that doesn’t matter. These people don’t believe that females have the right to define themselves or exclude males from accessing their private spaces. |
Anonymous
Still waiting PP? Where did your statistics friend go? You think she’s still parsing the data?? |
Anonymous
The author of the paper was interviewed and the study is broken into two cohorts. The more recent cohort with hormonal treatment for gender dysphoria did not in fact have a "male pattern of criminality" as is often claimed. Those claims are based on only the first and oldest cohort. This study is cited out of context all the time. This is what the actual AUTHOR of the paper had to say. Bolding added by me. https://www.transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm Dhejne: The individual in the image who is making claims about trans criminality, specifically rape likelihood, is misrepresenting the study findings. The study as a whole covers the period between 1973 and 2003. If one divides the cohort into two groups, 1973 to 1988 and 1989 to 2003, one observes that for the latter group (1989 – 2003), differences in mortality, suicide attempts, and crime disappear. This means that for the 1989 to 2003 group, we did not find a male pattern of criminality. As to the criminality metric itself, we were measuring and comparing the total number of convictions, not conviction type. We were not saying that cisgender males are convicted of crimes associated with marginalization and poverty. We didn’t control for that and we were certainly not saying that we found that trans women were a rape risk. What we were saying was that for the 1973 to 1988 cohort group and the cisgender male group, both experienced similar rates of convictions. As I said, this pattern is not observed in the 1989 to 2003 cohort group. The difference we observed between the 1989 to 2003 cohort and the control group is that the trans cohort group accessed more mental health care, which is appropriate given the level of ongoing discrimination the group faces. What the data tells us is that things are getting measurably better and the issues we found affecting the 1973 to 1988 cohort group likely reflects a time when trans health and psychological care was less effective and social stigma was far worse. |