FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:As far as South Lakes, I suspect that many of the "opt-ins" to Skyview were from Fox Mill. It will be interesting to see which base schools those kids are coming from. Has that been published? I bet there are some from other area schools that are not going to be "in boundary."

Does anyone know what the breakdown is?

Fox Mill and Floris kids at SLHS opted in. My kid reported kids from Hughes MS at the HS preview day for Skyview, so it wasn't just Fox Mill and Floris. I would guess that some where are 25 kids from FMES opted in this year. Keep in mond that FMES enrollment numbers are inflated by the JI program, so the kids going to SLHS from FMES is actually smaller then the enrollment at the school. It was probably roughly 50% of the 8th grade class from FMES opted in to Skyview. The Floris numbers at SLHS are pretty small as well. I am guessing the Hughes kids who opted in would be from Dogwood, maybe the kids who had been in the JI program at FMES.

I suspect that SLHS is also realizing that it is going to see an increase in the number of kids looking to pupil place to Skyview because it will be the closer AP school for lots of families. SLHS loses about 125 kids a year to Herndon for AP, that number might go up with an AP program at Skyview due to the difference in student bodies. Parents might be more comfortable pupil placing to a lower FARMs AP school then the higher FARMS AP school that had been the choice for most. And the SLHS community knows it. Some discussed it on Meren's FB posts.

According to the capacity dashboard only 13 kids transferred from South Lakes to Herndon this year (158 transferred from Herndon to South Lakes). When Skyview becomes an option for AP, the number of transfers out of South Lakes may increase substantially.

The SLHS map shows 157 SLHS students transferred out and 234 students transferred in.

158 Herndon to SLHS
35 Westfield to SLHS
15 from Oakton to SLHS
All the others are 1 student.

TJ got 31 students from SLHS
Langley got 28 Students from SLHS
Oakton got 11 students from SHLS
The Herndon Map shows 13 transfers in, I think I misread the numbers. My apologies 1 from SLHS.
Westfield got 1 student from SLHS
Chantilly got 1 student from SLHS
Centreville got 1 student from SLHS

The tracker also said that a 1 doesn't necessarily mean 1, just that there was movement from that school to the other school but under 10. So probably more then 1 to the 4 schools listed with a 1.

158 students transfer from HHS to SLHS? Likely motivated students too.

And we wonder why the school is losing kids.

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Anonymous wrote:What was on Option E?

During the comprehensive boundary review and the initial discussion of Skyview's boundaries and who could or could not opt in, there were 4 scenarios. They were called Scenario A through D. At the end of the process a Scenario E popped up for about a day or two, then it disappeared. Scenario E moved Lee's Corner and not Fox Mill. It went down pretty quickly, someone caught that the link was not an actual FCPS link but that the scenario seemed to be built identically to Scenarios A-D. Shortly after, Reid told everyone that the Scenarios were not the real boundaries under discussion and that the process would start after the comprehensive review had been completed.

Then we got Scenarios 1-3, whitled down to 2 scenarios, whitled down to the current 1 scenario. The big change was that these scenarios did more to include moves to backfill Westfield.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as South Lakes, I suspect that many of the "opt-ins" to Skyview were from Fox Mill. It will be interesting to see which base schools those kids are coming from. Has that been published? I bet there are some from other area schools that are not going to be "in boundary."

Does anyone know what the breakdown is?

Fox Mill and Floris kids at SLHS opted in. My kid reported kids from Hughes MS at the HS preview day for Skyview, so it wasn't just Fox Mill and Floris. I would guess that some where are 25 kids from FMES opted in this year. Keep in mond that FMES enrollment numbers are inflated by the JI program, so the kids going to SLHS from FMES is actually smaller then the enrollment at the school. It was probably roughly 50% of the 8th grade class from FMES opted in to Skyview. The Floris numbers at SLHS are pretty small as well. I am guessing the Hughes kids who opted in would be from Dogwood, maybe the kids who had been in the JI program at FMES.

I suspect that SLHS is also realizing that it is going to see an increase in the number of kids looking to pupil place to Skyview because it will be the closer AP school for lots of families. SLHS loses about 125 kids a year to Herndon for AP, that number might go up with an AP program at Skyview due to the difference in student bodies. Parents might be more comfortable pupil placing to a lower FARMs AP school then the higher FARMS AP school that had been the choice for most. And the SLHS community knows it. Some discussed it on Meren's FB posts.

According to the capacity dashboard only 13 kids transferred from South Lakes to Herndon this year (158 transferred from Herndon to South Lakes). When Skyview becomes an option for AP, the number of transfers out of South Lakes may increase substantially.

The SLHS map shows 157 SLHS students transferred out and 234 students transferred in.

158 Herndon to SLHS
35 Westfield to SLHS
15 from Oakton to SLHS
All the others are 1 student.

TJ got 31 students from SLHS
Langley got 28 Students from SLHS
Oakton got 11 students from SHLS
The Herndon Map shows 13 transfers in, I think I misread the numbers. My apologies 1 from SLHS.
Westfield got 1 student from SLHS
Chantilly got 1 student from SLHS
Centreville got 1 student from SLHS

The tracker also said that a 1 doesn't necessarily mean 1, just that there was movement from that school to the other school but under 10. So probably more then 1 to the 4 schools listed with a 1.

158 students transfer from HHS to SLHS? Likely motivated students too.

And we wonder why the school is losing kids.

They tend to be kids who attended Hughes for AAP and want to stay with their MS friends or JI students from Fox Mill that want to continue with Japanese.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As far as South Lakes, I suspect that many of the "opt-ins" to Skyview were from Fox Mill. It will be interesting to see which base schools those kids are coming from. Has that been published? I bet there are some from other area schools that are not going to be "in boundary."

Does anyone know what the breakdown is?

Fox Mill and Floris kids at SLHS opted in. My kid reported kids from Hughes MS at the HS preview day for Skyview, so it wasn't just Fox Mill and Floris. I would guess that some where are 25 kids from FMES opted in this year. Keep in mond that FMES enrollment numbers are inflated by the JI program, so the kids going to SLHS from FMES is actually smaller then the enrollment at the school. It was probably roughly 50% of the 8th grade class from FMES opted in to Skyview. The Floris numbers at SLHS are pretty small as well. I am guessing the Hughes kids who opted in would be from Dogwood, maybe the kids who had been in the JI program at FMES.

I suspect that SLHS is also realizing that it is going to see an increase in the number of kids looking to pupil place to Skyview because it will be the closer AP school for lots of families. SLHS loses about 125 kids a year to Herndon for AP, that number might go up with an AP program at Skyview due to the difference in student bodies. Parents might be more comfortable pupil placing to a lower FARMs AP school then the higher FARMS AP school that had been the choice for most. And the SLHS community knows it. Some discussed it on Meren's FB posts.

According to the capacity dashboard only 13 kids transferred from South Lakes to Herndon this year (158 transferred from Herndon to South Lakes). When Skyview becomes an option for AP, the number of transfers out of South Lakes may increase substantially.

The SLHS map shows 157 SLHS students transferred out and 234 students transferred in.

158 Herndon to SLHS
35 Westfield to SLHS
15 from Oakton to SLHS
All the others are 1 student.

TJ got 31 students from SLHS
Langley got 28 Students from SLHS
Oakton got 11 students from SHLS
The Herndon Map shows 13 transfers in, I think I misread the numbers. My apologies 1 from SLHS.
Westfield got 1 student from SLHS
Chantilly got 1 student from SLHS
Centreville got 1 student from SLHS

The tracker also said that a 1 doesn't necessarily mean 1, just that there was movement from that school to the other school but under 10. So probably more then 1 to the 4 schools listed with a 1.

158 students transfer from HHS to SLHS? Likely motivated students too.

And we wonder why the school is losing kids.

There are 134 kids at Hughes MS from Herndon MS. Presumably most are there for AAP.

So that translates to roughly 268 kids in high school, a large number of whom decide to stay in the South Lakes pyramid.

However, if those kids were at Herndon HS it would still have well over 400 vacant seats to accommodate kids living nearby but in another pyramid should the need arise.

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Anonymous wrote:What area does Seema live in? I'm curious.

A neighborhood of expensive custom built homes kind of on the edge of Centreville, almost in Yorkshire.

Isn’t that where Pekarsky also lives?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What area does Seema live in? I'm curious.

A neighborhood of expensive custom built homes kind of on the edge of Centreville, almost in Yorkshire.

Isn’t that where Pekarsky also lives?

No, she lives in a different neighborhood of expensive custom built homes, over by Bull Run battlefield. That area has been zoned Bull Run-Stone-Westfield.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know they actually come up with the capacity number for each school. I'm looking at the capacity dashboard and seems like school's capacities are changing every year and this would be without any renovation/expansion occurring. So is the capacity number based on building size or is based off number of teacher's employed? Or is some mix of both?

The capacity being used is the current “program” capacity. So that’s at the current staffing levels. The program capacity can expand or contract based on need. For example, while Stone currently has a program capacity of 861, it recently had a capacity of 930, which was reduced when membership dropped off. It has a building capacity of 1104. Similarly, Franklin had a building capacity of 1215 but a program capacity of 844. So there is some margin for expanding program capacity and shifting staff around to support a larger Franklin and Stone.

So with Stone as the single feeder to Westfield HS it can provide up to 2208 students, before having to add trailers or modulars to Stone.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know they actually come up with the capacity number for each school. I'm looking at the capacity dashboard and seems like school's capacities are changing every year and this would be without any renovation/expansion occurring. So is the capacity number based on building size or is based off number of teacher's employed? Or is some mix of both?

The capacity being used is the current “program” capacity. So that’s at the current staffing levels. The program capacity can expand or contract based on need. For example, while Stone currently has a program capacity of 861, it recently had a capacity of 930, which was reduced when membership dropped off. It has a building capacity of 1104. Similarly, Franklin had a building capacity of 1215 but a program capacity of 844. So there is some margin for expanding program capacity and shifting staff around to support a larger Franklin and Stone.

So with Stone as the single feeder to Westfield HS it can provide up to 2208 students, before having to add trailers or modulars to Stone.

Technically, but they often start slapping on trailers long before they hit building capacity. Stone, for example, is at 80% capacity and still has a trailer. With AAP consolidating, they’ll have to offer more sections of courses with smaller class sizes, so they’ll need more classrooms.

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Maybe? The building is much smaller than Carson, Rocky Run, etc.

The listing on the boundary tool just says "Capacity-861" and that's the capacity FCPS has been using to decide whether schools are overcrowded. So it seems they have been using Program Capacity, not building capacity.

[Anonymous]

Yes, if you've been in Franklin, you've been in Stone. They are both small buildings.

[Anonymous]

I'm not familiar with the area but it sounds like the Bull Run ES zone is really a whole lot of have-nots and some haves, and not a lot of people in the middle.

[Anonymous]

I think Westfield technically has a building capacity of something like 3200.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think Westfield technically has a building capacity of something like 3200.

Correct, because it had a modular addition put on right after it was built.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know they actually come up with the capacity number for each school. I'm looking at the capacity dashboard and seems like school's capacities are changing every year and this would be without any renovation/expansion occurring. So is the capacity number based on building size or is based off number of teacher's employed? Or is some mix of both?

The capacity being used is the current “program” capacity. So that’s at the current staffing levels. The program capacity can expand or contract based on need. For example, while Stone currently has a program capacity of 861, it recently had a capacity of 930, which was reduced when membership dropped off. It has a building capacity of 1104. Similarly, Franklin had a building capacity of 1215 but a program capacity of 844. So there is some margin for expanding program capacity and shifting staff around to support a larger Franklin and Stone.

So with Stone as the single feeder to Westfield HS it can provide up to 2208 students, before having to add trailers or modulars to Stone.

That would be without any specialized programs for kids with greater needs that reduces the program capacity.

You really need to spend more time familiarizing yourselves about the difference between design capacity and program capacity.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as South Lakes, I suspect that many of the "opt-ins" to Skyview were from Fox Mill. It will be interesting to see which base schools those kids are coming from. Has that been published? I bet there are some from other area schools that are not going to be "in boundary."

Does anyone know what the breakdown is?

Fox Mill and Floris kids at SLHS opted in. My kid reported kids from Hughes MS at the HS preview day for Skyview, so it wasn't just Fox Mill and Floris. I would guess that some where are 25 kids from FMES opted in this year. Keep in mond that FMES enrollment numbers are inflated by the JI program, so the kids going to SLHS from FMES is actually smaller then the enrollment at the school. It was probably roughly 50% of the 8th grade class from FMES opted in to Skyview. The Floris numbers at SLHS are pretty small as well. I am guessing the Hughes kids who opted in would be from Dogwood, maybe the kids who had been in the JI program at FMES.

I suspect that SLHS is also realizing that it is going to see an increase in the number of kids looking to pupil place to Skyview because it will be the closer AP school for lots of families. SLHS loses about 125 kids a year to Herndon for AP, that number might go up with an AP program at Skyview due to the difference in student bodies. Parents might be more comfortable pupil placing to a lower FARMs AP school then the higher FARMS AP school that had been the choice for most. And the SLHS community knows it. Some discussed it on Meren's FB posts.

According to the capacity dashboard only 13 kids transferred from South Lakes to Herndon this year (158 transferred from Herndon to South Lakes). When Skyview becomes an option for AP, the number of transfers out of South Lakes may increase substantially.

The SLHS map shows 157 SLHS students transferred out and 234 students transferred in.

158 Herndon to SLHS
35 Westfield to SLHS
15 from Oakton to SLHS
All the others are 1 student.

TJ got 31 students from SLHS
Langley got 28 Students from SLHS
Oakton got 11 students from SHLS
The Herndon Map shows 13 transfers in, I think I misread the numbers. My apologies 1 from SLHS.
Westfield got 1 student from SLHS
Chantilly got 1 student from SLHS
Centreville got 1 student from SLHS

The tracker also said that a 1 doesn't necessarily mean 1, just that there was movement from that school to the other school but under 10. So probably more then 1 to the 4 schools listed with a 1.

158 students transfer from HHS to SLHS? Likely motivated students too.

And we wonder why the school is losing kids.

There are 134 kids at Hughes MS from Herndon MS. Presumably most are there for AAP.

So that translates to roughly 268 kids in high school, a large number of whom decide to stay in the South Lakes pyramid.

However, if those kids were at Herndon HS it would still have well over 400 vacant seats to accommodate kids living nearby but in another pyramid should the need arise.

So it’s mostly AAP kids? That’s a huge brain drain from HHS. Seems like if they want to beef up the school that’s the obvious place to start.