Fairfax County Double Murder

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Anonymous wrote:So what’s the point in people going to the prelim? Do they lay out any evidence there?

The state will present evidence that is sufficient for AP to be required to stand trial. That is why a prelim happens fairly quickly. It will be reported on in the media, WP and several tv outlets have covered the case, assume outlets like DM will dip in here and there.

People are curious and want the infiltered information and to get the vibe that does not come across in the newspaper, perhaps. Courts are open to the public, no reason not to attend, schedule permitting.

What Is a Preliminary Hearing?
At a preliminary hearing, a judge hears the state's evidence and decides whether there is sufficient evidence to require the defendant to stand trial. The defense is not required to present evidence but may choose to do so to rebut the allegations against the defendant. If the evidence is not sufficient to establish probable cause, the judge must dismiss the charges. The purpose of a preliminary hearing is to protect the accused from unfounded criminal charges.

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/criminal-defense-case/preliminary-criminal-hearing-process-proce

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Thank you PP!

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone in NoVA able to attend AP's preliminary hearing on 1/17 at 2pm? Open to the public.

I’m attending.

Just remember that family members and friends who are grieving will be there. This isn't a reality show.

Well actually our criminal justice system is the ultimate reality show - free and open to the public nearly 100% of the time. Just mind your manners in the audience, please! ~ former prosecutor

Good point.

Former prosecutor, when might the trial date for AP be set with a prelim on 1/17?

I practiced out in the mountain west, so I cannot speak to the docket speed in NoVa post-covid, but I am sure it is slow. Before covid we would typically see cases stretch out from prelim to trial over 2-3 years. An initial trial date will be set much sooner of course with a nod to speedy trial, but typically defense will waive speedy and will stretch things out themselves as they make various pre-trial motions.

2-3 years??

Lawyer here and yep several years is completely normal.

So all these posters thinking LE will get BB soon may be completely wrong! Some people are saying the trial starts next week so I think there’s a lot of confusion.

It will all be reported on and people will learn more about how the justice system works.

Will the IRS hold his job and pay him indefinitely in these circumstances? Anyone with Fed HR knowledge? Or would they shift him to a non-LE role?

IRS-CI agent here. There are several CI agents lurking here.

I don't know any inside info about BB. I never met him. I believe that the IRS along with TIGTA would have attempted to interview him after advising BB of Kalkines warning. IRS and TIGTA would be very, very interested in the facts surrounding the discharge of a IRS weapon causing death (or great bodily harm). Kalkines is interesting because one would be required to answer questions from the IRS / TIGTA. The information provided could not be used to incriminate him. I understand he would be terminated if he didn't answer those questions under Kalkines.

In my experience, agents that are waiting for HR/IRS management to make a determination about what happens to them are mothballed. They don't often work on active cases in the interim.

I suspect that he hasn't drawn a IRS paycheck for. a while.

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Interesting, thanks. Would the IRS be in contact with the VA investigators?

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Does anybody know what is this Arraignment scheduled for tomorrow?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anybody know what is this Arraignment scheduled for tomorrow?

01/17/2024 02:00 PM Preliminary 2K
01/16/2024 09:31 AM Motion 2K

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Anonymous wrote:There is a motion hearing scheduled for 1/16/24, they do seem to be getting their money's worth from her counsel, unless the story he has told is completely discredited by forensics.

The preliminary hearing on 1/7/24 will likely get a lot of media coverage. Is a trial date likely to be set at that point?

"A motion is an application to the court made by the prosecutor or defense attorney, requesting that the court make a decision on a certain issue before the trial begins."

Is this normal?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a motion hearing scheduled for 1/16/24, they do seem to be getting their money's worth from her counsel, unless the story he has told is completely discredited by forensics.

The preliminary hearing on 1/7/24 will likely get a lot of media coverage. Is a trial date likely to be set at that point?

"A motion is an application to the court made by the prosecutor or defense attorney, requesting that the court make a decision on a certain issue before the trial begins."

Is this normal?

Yes. Very.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a motion hearing scheduled for 1/16/24, they do seem to be getting their money's worth from her counsel, unless the story he has told is completely discredited by forensics.

The preliminary hearing on 1/7/24 will likely get a lot of media coverage. Is a trial date likely to be set at that point?

"A motion is an application to the court made by the prosecutor or defense attorney, requesting that the court make a decision on a certain issue before the trial begins."

Is this normal?

Yes. Very.

Is there a way to know details of what it is?

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Anonymous wrote:There is a motion hearing scheduled for 1/16/24, they do seem to be getting their money's worth from her counsel, unless the story he has told is completely discredited by forensics.

The preliminary hearing on 1/7/24 will likely get a lot of media coverage. Is a trial date likely to be set at that point?

"A motion is an application to the court made by the prosecutor or defense attorney, requesting that the court make a decision on a certain issue before the trial begins."

Is this normal?

Yes. Very.

Is there a way to know details of what it is?

I don't know how much detail you can see on the FFX Co. docket online. I'm guessing not a lot or you wouldn't be asking.

You can call the clerk, who may or may not tell you. If you can find out who from the Washington Post or any other local news outlets have covered this, you could message them. Or you can go down to the courthouse and ask to look at the file.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a motion hearing scheduled for 1/16/24, they do seem to be getting their money's worth from her counsel, unless the story he has told is completely discredited by forensics.

The preliminary hearing on 1/7/24 will likely get a lot of media coverage. Is a trial date likely to be set at that point?

"A motion is an application to the court made by the prosecutor or defense attorney, requesting that the court make a decision on a certain issue before the trial begins."

Is this normal?

Completely normal, other motions have been filed in this matter.

The preliminary hearing is discussed above.

An arraignment is different and earlier. AP was arraigned on 10/16/23.

An arraignment is a first appearance signifying the start of the criminal trial process. It comes shortly after a defendant's arrest and booking, often combined with a bail hearing. The arraignment is typically the first court date for defendants who were not arrested but served with a summons or citation.

A judge will read the charges against the defendant at this court appearance. If bail has not yet been set, it's addressed at the arraignment court hearing.

https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-procedure/arraignment.html#SnippetTab

The docket so far in her case


Date Time Result Type Courtroom Plea Continuance
01/17/2024 02:00 PM PRELIMINARY
01/16/2024 09:31 AM MOTION
12/19/2023 08:31 AM CONTINUED BOND 2J OTHER
11/21/2023 09:31 AM CONTINUED MOTION 2K OTHER
10/27/2023 08:31 AM CONTINUED BOND 1A
10/16/2023 10:00 AM CONTINUED ARRAIGNMENT 2J OTHER

[Anonymous]

To clarify above, she was not granted bail at her arraignment and despite several bond motions, AP is still in custody in VA. Bail can be denied for reasons such as danger to the public or in her case, flight risk, since she is Brazilian.

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UGH, the thing tomorrow will be delayed due to the weather. We wait.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a motion hearing scheduled for 1/16/24, they do seem to be getting their money's worth from her counsel, unless the story he has told is completely discredited by forensics.

The preliminary hearing on 1/7/24 will likely get a lot of media coverage. Is a trial date likely to be set at that point?

"A motion is an application to the court made by the prosecutor or defense attorney, requesting that the court make a decision on a certain issue before the trial begins."

Is this normal?

Yes. Very.

Is there a way to know details of what it is?

It's the second motion hearing, will likely last a short time and is likely focused on a procedural or evidentiary point. The WP did do a subsequent story on the first motions hearing, I don't know if that will happen again or if that coverage will be folded in with coverage of the preliminary hearing. I think there will be a lot of that, both print and tv, on the 17th or in following days. It will give everyone a much better look at the Commonwealth's case against her.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a motion hearing scheduled for 1/16/24, they do seem to be getting their money's worth from her counsel, unless the story he has told is completely discredited by forensics.

The preliminary hearing on 1/7/24 will likely get a lot of media coverage. Is a trial date likely to be set at that point?

"A motion is an application to the court made by the prosecutor or defense attorney, requesting that the court make a decision on a certain issue before the trial begins."

Is this normal?

Yes. Very.

Is there a way to know details of what it is?

I don't know how much detail you can see on the FFX Co. docket online. I'm guessing not a lot or you wouldn't be asking.

You can call the clerk, who may or may not tell you. If you can find out who from the Washington Post or any other local news outlets have covered this, you could message them. Or you can go down to the courthouse and ask to look at the file.

Unfortunately the VA court site does not give a lot of detail, unlike DC.

Several reporters who have done tv or print stories are on social media, another place to look for info. The reporter who covered the 1st motions hearing for WP would be a good person to ask, if they did not take the buy out.