Fairfax County Double Murder

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone in NoVA able to attend AP's preliminary hearing on 1/17 at 2pm? Open to the public.

I’m attending.

Just remember that family members and friends who are grieving will be there. This isn't a reality show.

Well actually our criminal justice system is the ultimate reality show - free and open to the public nearly 100% of the time. Just mind your manners in the audience, please! ~ former prosecutor

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t BB have a leg wound? You would think if he was innocent he would have been in the ambulance holding her hand on the way to the hospital. This whole thing is upsetting, you think you know a guy. If he was innocent wouldn’t he be yelling it from the rooftops, confiding in his and CBs family, at least show some sadness? Something is off.
My hope is that we start getting answers for both families of JR CB and the little girl.

He is apparently not sad and he confided in AP, in between trips to NYC and going to see FOB.

I wonder if she/her family had glimpses of how could he could be prior to this? Maybe he was good at masking.

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Anonymous wrote:Can they still charge her for CB’s murder or would that be a total different case that they’d open after the hearing ?

That would be a separate case and LE has strongly suggested that the stabbing was done by someone other than AP, someone they planned to hold "accountable." He called JR a victim, so, only one adult left.

I wouldn’t get so wrapped up in one statement that called someone a victim. They are a victim, but that doesn’t also mean they’re not responsible in some part for the crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Can they still charge her for CB’s murder or would that be a total different case that they’d open after the hearing ?

That would be a separate case and LE has strongly suggested that the stabbing was done by someone other than AP, someone they planned to hold "accountable." He called JR a victim, so, only one adult left.

I wouldn’t get so wrapped up in one statement that called someone a victim. They are a victim, but that doesn’t also mean they’re not responsible in some part for the crime.

They also said it was an open and ongoing investigation. If forensics supported that JR had killed anyone that would not be the case. They would not have slightly overcharged AP and locked her up to encourage her to flip. Had JR been the killer, she likely would not have been charged as it would have been self defense. LE does not typically refer to killers as "victims."

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone in NoVA able to attend AP's preliminary hearing on 1/17 at 2pm? Open to the public.

I’m attending.

Just remember that family members and friends who are grieving will be there. This isn't a reality show.

Well actually our criminal justice system is the ultimate reality show - free and open to the public nearly 100% of the time. Just mind your manners in the audience, please! ~ former prosecutor

Good point.

Former prosecutor, when might the trial date for AP be set with a prelim on 1/17?

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his dude did walk into the house with restraints and chains and lube and a knife

Neither LE nor Commonwealth of VA has alleged any such thing.

Are there astroturfers trying to taint the local jury pool?

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This is the first time I’ve seen this tone toward BB on this thread. Very interesting timing considering Juliana’s trial starts next week and he’s likely to be arrested soon.

This thread is overwhelmingly anti-BB with a lot of speculation against him. I understand that given the circumstances but if anyone can speculate why can't it go the other way?

It’s wild to me how biased some people here on this 100 page thread are.

Speculating that a guy who hasn’t been charged with a crime yet is innocent is “Jury Tainting”?

But somehow declaring his immediate guilt is totally fine?

Nancy Grace wants her job back.

I guess I’m “anti-BB” in that I think he had some part in this mess. I base my opinion on the evidence so far + the fact that most often, especially where there’s an affair partner, the husband is involved.

I don’t have some agenda against BB. I just hope justice is done for the victims. If people set forth a plausible sequence of events that doesn’t involve BB, I think posters will entertain it. But you can’t just make up facts (JR is a meanie face! He likes kink! He MUST’VE done it!) and expect people to take you seriously.

I don't think anyone is entertaining any theory that doesn't involve both JR and BB seeing as how they both ended up in the house that morning. The question is whether JR initiated the violence.

It is dangerous to decide that because crimes are usually committed by X type of person we can assume guilt.

I’m pretty sure there are people who think BB is innocent of violence and perhaps even being taken advantage of by the au pair. Some of these are the same people who feel compelled to correspond and pursue romantic relationships with convicted murderers. If it turns out that BB is found guilty and is convicted, we can take bets on how quickly he will select a girlfriend from his fans and even get married. Don’t underestimate how bad people’s instincts can be.

For those sure BB is guilty, can you explain how nobody has been charged with the stabbing/murder of CB? I don't see how BB or AU could have stabbed her and not been charged yet. You would think there would be defensive wounds, blood all over them that they couldn't have cleaned up in the time before LE arrived. That makes me think JR stabbed CB and LE is struggling with understanding how that was setup.

I don't follow it as closely as many but could those sure of BB's guilt explain who they think stabbed CB?

What if BB stabbed CB while she was still in bed sleeping. He probably had no clothes on and so it would be easy to just take a quick shower and clean everything up. He may have worn a thick glove to protect himself from leaving fingerprints. Who knows… If he premeditated all of this, he certainly planned everything down to the smallest detail.

In charging her, VA said that BB was not in the house when JR was shot. So, hard to imagine CB was sleeping. Unless he arrived after she was killed...I'm still trying to think what evidence they may have that proves that - did a ring capture shots after BB had been captured leaving and before he was captured returning? If so, the entire tale her attorney told has NO basis in fact. VA appears to be claiming that at the time JR was killed, the only people in the house were AP, CB, JR, and tragically, the little girl.

This is totally wrong. They were all in the house at the time JR was shot.

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That is what her lawyer has claimed. If you look back at news accounts that is not what the Commonwealth of VA said. Diametrically opposing. More re: what the forensics support will come out.

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his dude did walk into the house with restraints and chains and lube and a knife

Neither LE nor Commonwealth of VA has alleged any such thing.

Are there astroturfers trying to taint the local jury pool?

+1
This is the first time I’ve seen this tone toward BB on this thread. Very interesting timing considering Juliana’s trial starts next week and he’s likely to be arrested soon.

This thread is overwhelmingly anti-BB with a lot of speculation against him. I understand that given the circumstances but if anyone can speculate why can't it go the other way?

It’s wild to me how biased some people here on this 100 page thread are.

Speculating that a guy who hasn’t been charged with a crime yet is innocent is “Jury Tainting”?

But somehow declaring his immediate guilt is totally fine?

Nancy Grace wants her job back.

I guess I’m “anti-BB” in that I think he had some part in this mess. I base my opinion on the evidence so far + the fact that most often, especially where there’s an affair partner, the husband is involved.

I don’t have some agenda against BB. I just hope justice is done for the victims. If people set forth a plausible sequence of events that doesn’t involve BB, I think posters will entertain it. But you can’t just make up facts (JR is a meanie face! He likes kink! He MUST’VE done it!) and expect people to take you seriously.

I don't think anyone is entertaining any theory that doesn't involve both JR and BB seeing as how they both ended up in the house that morning. The question is whether JR initiated the violence.

It is dangerous to decide that because crimes are usually committed by X type of person we can assume guilt.

I’m pretty sure there are people who think BB is innocent of violence and perhaps even being taken advantage of by the au pair. Some of these are the same people who feel compelled to correspond and pursue romantic relationships with convicted murderers. If it turns out that BB is found guilty and is convicted, we can take bets on how quickly he will select a girlfriend from his fans and even get married. Don’t underestimate how bad people’s instincts can be.

For those sure BB is guilty, can you explain how nobody has been charged with the stabbing/murder of CB? I don't see how BB or AU could have stabbed her and not been charged yet. You would think there would be defensive wounds, blood all over them that they couldn't have cleaned up in the time before LE arrived. That makes me think JR stabbed CB and LE is struggling with understanding how that was setup.

I don't follow it as closely as many but could those sure of BB's guilt explain who they think stabbed CB?

What if BB stabbed CB while she was still in bed sleeping. He probably had no clothes on and so it would be easy to just take a quick shower and clean everything up. He may have worn a thick glove to protect himself from leaving fingerprints. Who knows… If he premeditated all of this, he certainly planned everything down to the smallest detail.

In charging her, VA said that BB was not in the house when JR was shot. So, hard to imagine CB was sleeping. Unless he arrived after she was killed...I'm still trying to think what evidence they may have that proves that - did a ring capture shots after BB had been captured leaving and before he was captured returning? If so, the entire tale her attorney told has NO basis in fact. VA appears to be claiming that at the time JR was killed, the only people in the house were AP, CB, JR, and tragically, the little girl.

This is totally wrong. They were all in the house at the time JR was shot.

Her lawyer said that. In this press conference re: AP's arrest for shooting JR, it was asked where BB was at that time and the answer is "he was outside the home."

Regardless of irreconcilable narratives, it will come down to what can be proven in court.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR0xKBVh-08&t=166s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone in NoVA able to attend AP's preliminary hearing on 1/17 at 2pm? Open to the public.

I’m attending.

Just remember that family members and friends who are grieving will be there. This isn't a reality show.

Well actually our criminal justice system is the ultimate reality show - free and open to the public nearly 100% of the time. Just mind your manners in the audience, please! ~ former prosecutor

Good point.

Former prosecutor, when might the trial date for AP be set with a prelim on 1/17?

I practiced out in the mountain west, so I cannot speak to the docket speed in NoVa post-covid, but I am sure it is slow. Before covid we would typically see cases stretch out from prelim to trial over 2-3 years. An initial trial date will be set much sooner of course with a nod to speedy trial, but typically defense will waive speedy and will stretch things out themselves as they make various pre-trial motions.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone in NoVA able to attend AP's preliminary hearing on 1/17 at 2pm? Open to the public.

I’m attending.

Just remember that family members and friends who are grieving will be there. This isn't a reality show.

Well actually our criminal justice system is the ultimate reality show - free and open to the public nearly 100% of the time. Just mind your manners in the audience, please! ~ former prosecutor

Good point.

Former prosecutor, when might the trial date for AP be set with a prelim on 1/17?

I practiced out in the mountain west, so I cannot speak to the docket speed in NoVa post-covid, but I am sure it is slow. Before covid we would typically see cases stretch out from prelim to trial over 2-3 years. An initial trial date will be set much sooner of course with a nod to speedy trial, but typically defense will waive speedy and will stretch things out themselves as they make various pre-trial motions.

2-3 years??

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone in NoVA able to attend AP's preliminary hearing on 1/17 at 2pm? Open to the public.

I’m attending.

Just remember that family members and friends who are grieving will be there. This isn't a reality show.

Well actually our criminal justice system is the ultimate reality show - free and open to the public nearly 100% of the time. Just mind your manners in the audience, please! ~ former prosecutor

Good point.

Former prosecutor, when might the trial date for AP be set with a prelim on 1/17?

I practiced out in the mountain west, so I cannot speak to the docket speed in NoVa post-covid, but I am sure it is slow. Before covid we would typically see cases stretch out from prelim to trial over 2-3 years. An initial trial date will be set much sooner of course with a nod to speedy trial, but typically defense will waive speedy and will stretch things out themselves as they make various pre-trial motions.

2-3 years??

Lawyer here and yep several years is completely normal.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone in NoVA able to attend AP's preliminary hearing on 1/17 at 2pm? Open to the public.

I’m attending.

Just remember that family members and friends who are grieving will be there. This isn't a reality show.

Well actually our criminal justice system is the ultimate reality show - free and open to the public nearly 100% of the time. Just mind your manners in the audience, please! ~ former prosecutor

Good point.

Former prosecutor, when might the trial date for AP be set with a prelim on 1/17?

I practiced out in the mountain west, so I cannot speak to the docket speed in NoVa post-covid, but I am sure it is slow. Before covid we would typically see cases stretch out from prelim to trial over 2-3 years. An initial trial date will be set much sooner of course with a nod to speedy trial, but typically defense will waive speedy and will stretch things out themselves as they make various pre-trial motions.

2-3 years??

Lawyer here and yep several years is completely normal.

So all these posters thinking LE will get BB soon may be completely wrong! Some people are saying the trial starts next week so I think there’s a lot of confusion.

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So what’s the point in people going to the prelim? Do they lay out any evidence there?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone in NoVA able to attend AP's preliminary hearing on 1/17 at 2pm? Open to the public.

I’m attending.

Just remember that family members and friends who are grieving will be there. This isn't a reality show.

Well actually our criminal justice system is the ultimate reality show - free and open to the public nearly 100% of the time. Just mind your manners in the audience, please! ~ former prosecutor

Good point.

Former prosecutor, when might the trial date for AP be set with a prelim on 1/17?

I practiced out in the mountain west, so I cannot speak to the docket speed in NoVa post-covid, but I am sure it is slow. Before covid we would typically see cases stretch out from prelim to trial over 2-3 years. An initial trial date will be set much sooner of course with a nod to speedy trial, but typically defense will waive speedy and will stretch things out themselves as they make various pre-trial motions.

2-3 years??

Lawyer here and yep several years is completely normal.

Thanks for chiming in, folks with criminal law experience.

Maybe confinement will start to wear on her, she is young. If he is arrested and held as well, pierces the fantasy bubble a bit, perhaps? Of them just seamlessly returning to the blissful days post murders and pre-arrest?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone in NoVA able to attend AP's preliminary hearing on 1/17 at 2pm? Open to the public.

I’m attending.

Just remember that family members and friends who are grieving will be there. This isn't a reality show.

Well actually our criminal justice system is the ultimate reality show - free and open to the public nearly 100% of the time. Just mind your manners in the audience, please! ~ former prosecutor

Good point.

Former prosecutor, when might the trial date for AP be set with a prelim on 1/17?

I practiced out in the mountain west, so I cannot speak to the docket speed in NoVa post-covid, but I am sure it is slow. Before covid we would typically see cases stretch out from prelim to trial over 2-3 years. An initial trial date will be set much sooner of course with a nod to speedy trial, but typically defense will waive speedy and will stretch things out themselves as they make various pre-trial motions.

2-3 years??

Lawyer here and yep several years is completely normal.

So all these posters thinking LE will get BB soon may be completely wrong! Some people are saying the trial starts next week so I think there’s a lot of confusion.

It will all be reported on and people will learn more about how the justice system works.

Will the IRS hold his job and pay him indefinitely in these circumstances? Anyone with Fed HR knowledge? Or would they shift him to a non-LE role?