DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

If boys ECNL was a bit stronger and more entrenched, I would agree with you. But that's not the case. On the girls side, there is a competitive option, so they're taking it. On the boys side, not so much.

Is that why PDA will field two ECNL teams?

This is about big clubs who can call their shots and they simply scored a sweetheart money deal with ECNL.

Well first off, it's not clear to me that PDA will field two ECNL clubs. If you know this for a fact, please enlighten.
Secondly, running a club is running a business. No club can afford to be so altruistic that they ignore the bottom line. Further, most of these clubs, including PDA, are 501c3 organizations that must balance their bottom lines. That can be achieved by inflating salaries of course. If I'm not mistaken, their financials are publicly available to check. Are PDA coaches/TD's making a boatload of money? I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

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On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

If boys ECNL was a bit stronger and more entrenched, I would agree with you. But that's not the case. On the girls side, there is a competitive option, so they're taking it. On the boys side, not so much.

Is that why PDA will field two ECNL teams?

This is about big clubs who can call their shots and they simply scored a sweetheart money deal with ECNL.

Let's not forget that the ECNL also gave them an ultimatum that they had to choose one or the other.

[Anonymous]

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On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

If boys ECNL was a bit stronger and more entrenched, I would agree with you. But that's not the case. On the girls side, there is a competitive option, so they're taking it. On the boys side, not so much.

And yet all the same powerhouse clubs have teams in the Boys' ECNL: PDA, Michigan Hawks, FC Stars, all of them. I would say a better statement is that the boys ECNL isn't as large (because it looks like they are better represented on the East Coast). But I don't see how we can say it doesn't have good clubs participating. BRYC is "all in" for the ECNL on both sides. =)

Boy's ECNL certainly has good clubs participating. The point is that the talent gap between BDA and BECNL is likely to be much greater than GDA and GECNL. So if I'm PDA and I'm looking at options, I might see a better one on the girls side than I do on the boys side right now.

[Anonymous]

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Let's not forget that the ECNL also gave them an ultimatum that they had to choose one or the other.

That's hearsay. Do you have proof of this ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Spirit VA has not sent out any offers to any players yet.

sock puppet: why were you trying to mislead before the ID session when everyone acknowledges now that offers had been given as far back as feb.? you work at spirit, is that why you are all hot and bothered for being called out

You are sick in the head. Everyone else on this board wants to move on to a meaningful conversation, and because you are obsessed with this poster, you can't. I feel sorry for your child. And I sincerely hope you stay at whatever ECNL club you are at.

I think all the posters agree you are contributing to the problem as much as anyone.

Here's a more interesting topic, all of this has made me curious about one of the previous posts. Do people think that clubs are even aware of this website and all the discussion of this turf war and trash talk on it? Does anyone think that coaches or anyone else running these clubs actually read this forum? I have always wondered about that given the ECNL vs DA market share battle and actually do not have any sense. I hope the answer is No.

I imagine some club officials do read the site (certainly it seemed like every single person involved in Vienna soccer's leadership was on the big soccer thread a few years ago). I know for a fact that private schools have people on staff who monitor the Private/Independent schools forum on DCUM and other boards, though I doubt most soccer club personnel are as sophisticated or concerned about their clubs' reputation as private school principals are.

It would not surprise me at all if ECNL top officials, in particular, were monitoring this and other message boards and waging online information campaigns in support of their quest to show up the DA. I think they are extraordinarily arrogant and I hate what they are doing to the soccer landscape, but they seem highly competent, unlike the USSF people in charge of the disastrous girls DA rollout.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not here to argue with any of you ECNL supporters. I'm telling you what's going on through my own eyes. If you are see something else let me know. But in Northern Virginia, which is the ECNL talent base for the MA division, younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL. Mclean ECNL is losing players at younger age groups. LOUDOUN ECNL has no talent base left.

On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

I am definitely seeing something else. I have been attending the DA ID sessions. I do not see a large number of younger players from ECNL. Some - yes. But to say younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL is really reaching. I also am not seeing the best talent from Loudoun and other program attend these sessions. I think it is too early to tell. I do not think we will all know until rosters are set.

The way you mention Loudoun has no talent base left...well that makes your agenda clear. You are a DA parent (probably the FCV jerk) out to misinform people. Here is why I say that - there is no way you know. You do not know what Loudoun is doing, it is too early to tell. DA and ECNL Rosters are not set or announced. So to say no talent base left is pure BS.

Before you lash out to get the last word - we still do not know where we will be playing and are still on the fence between DA and ECNL. Your posts like this do not help anyone. Ok - feel free to bash now like a little baby, I could not care less.

Not PP, I think we can agree that while we don't know what Loudoun is doing yet; there is info about talent that Loudoun definitely won't have access to anymore (someone seems to be confident of that info), why can't that be used as info to infer the state of Loudoun's base of players?

It is pure BS. Back it up with numbers. How many of their player are attending FCV and WS ID sessions? Not many, I am talking maybe two or three. It’s BS but the DA PP won’t back his BS with any facts.

FCV ID sessions have been over for a month now. Loudoun Red and FCV teams had trained together regularly during the fall season so FCV already knew the players. Loudoun players did go to the early DA ID sessions before ECNL was announced and the players were then discouraged but the players were already know, registered and made offers to.

Facts

LOL. So what? Loudoun kids have offers from other clubs. Woohoo. Too early to tell. Sounds more like they showed interested before Loudoun ECNL announced.

You are obviously a Loudoun ECNL supporter. I'm interested in your opinion. Have you been to a Loudoun ECNL ID session? If so, tell us if top Loudoun Red kids at the 04-06 groups are attending.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Let's not forget that the ECNL also gave them an ultimatum that they had to choose one or the other.

That's hearsay. Do you have proof of this ?

I don't have a press release from ECNL. I've just heard it from so many sources, and without anyone denying it, that I believe it. Not because I want to or not. I actually had speculated maybe USSF had done it, until many people who are usually in the "know" told me I was incorrect.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not here to argue with any of you ECNL supporters. I'm telling you what's going on through my own eyes. If you are see something else let me know. But in Northern Virginia, which is the ECNL talent base for the MA division, younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL. Mclean ECNL is losing players at younger age groups. LOUDOUN ECNL has no talent base left.

On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

I am definitely seeing something else. I have been attending the DA ID sessions. I do not see a large number of younger players from ECNL. Some - yes. But to say younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL is really reaching. I also am not seeing the best talent from Loudoun and other program attend these sessions. I think it is too early to tell. I do not think we will all know until rosters are set.

The way you mention Loudoun has no talent base left...well that makes your agenda clear. You are a DA parent (probably the FCV jerk) out to misinform people. Here is why I say that - there is no way you know. You do not know what Loudoun is doing, it is too early to tell. DA and ECNL Rosters are not set or announced. So to say no talent base left is pure BS.

Before you lash out to get the last word - we still do not know where we will be playing and are still on the fence between DA and ECNL. Your posts like this do not help anyone. Ok - feel free to bash now like a little baby, I could not care less.

Not PP, I think we can agree that while we don't know what Loudoun is doing yet; there is info about talent that Loudoun definitely won't have access to anymore (someone seems to be confident of that info), why can't that be used as info to infer the state of Loudoun's base of players?

It is pure BS. Back it up with numbers. How many of their player are attending FCV and WS ID sessions? Not many, I am talking maybe two or three. It’s BS but the DA PP won’t back his BS with any facts.

FCV ID sessions have been over for a month now. Loudoun Red and FCV teams had trained together regularly during the fall season so FCV already knew the players. Loudoun players did go to the early DA ID sessions before ECNL was announced and the players were then discouraged but the players were already know, registered and made offers to.

Facts

LOL. So what? Loudoun kids have offers from other clubs. Woohoo. Too early to tell. Sounds more like they showed interested before Loudoun ECNL announced.

The Loudoun ECNL announcement was made before the second ID session had even happened and it was known well before the official announcement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

If boys ECNL was a bit stronger and more entrenched, I would agree with you. But that's not the case. On the girls side, there is a competitive option, so they're taking it. On the boys side, not so much.

And yet all the same powerhouse clubs have teams in the Boys' ECNL: PDA, Michigan Hawks, FC Stars, all of them. I would say a better statement is that the boys ECNL isn't as large (because it looks like they are better represented on the East Coast). But I don't see how we can say it doesn't have good clubs participating. BRYC is "all in" for the ECNL on both sides. =)

Boy's ECNL certainly has good clubs participating. The point is that the talent gap between BDA and BECNL is likely to be much greater than GDA and GECNL. So if I'm PDA and I'm looking at options, I might see a better one on the girls side than I do on the boys side right now.

There is absolutely no comparison between the boys DA & ECNL. None. It's not even close.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Let's not forget that the ECNL also gave them an ultimatum that they had to choose one or the other.

That's hearsay. Do you have proof of this ?

I don't have a press release from ECNL. I've just heard it from so many sources, and without anyone denying it, that I believe it. Not because I want to or not. I actually had speculated maybe USSF had done it, until many people who are usually in the "know" told me I was incorrect.

Gotcha. That's the danger in all of this. Parents are generally so jaded that it is easy to turn hearsay into something that aligns with the flavor of the day. Relative to businesses, clubs are generally run poorly, and communication flows are also poor so there is rarely any correction applied. It sounds ridiculous but it's not dissimilar to how the general population believed the earth to be flat back in the day. Folks just repeated what they heard, and those who opposed were shunned.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not here to argue with any of you ECNL supporters. I'm telling you what's going on through my own eyes. If you are see something else let me know. But in Northern Virginia, which is the ECNL talent base for the MA division, younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL. Mclean ECNL is losing players at younger age groups. LOUDOUN ECNL has no talent base left.

On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

I am definitely seeing something else. I have been attending the DA ID sessions. I do not see a large number of younger players from ECNL. Some - yes. But to say younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL is really reaching. I also am not seeing the best talent from Loudoun and other program attend these sessions. I think it is too early to tell. I do not think we will all know until rosters are set.

The way you mention Loudoun has no talent base left...well that makes your agenda clear. You are a DA parent (probably the FCV jerk) out to misinform people. Here is why I say that - there is no way you know. You do not know what Loudoun is doing, it is too early to tell. DA and ECNL Rosters are not set or announced. So to say no talent base left is pure BS.

Before you lash out to get the last word - we still do not know where we will be playing and are still on the fence between DA and ECNL. Your posts like this do not help anyone. Ok - feel free to bash now like a little baby, I could not care less.

Not PP, I think we can agree that while we don't know what Loudoun is doing yet; there is info about talent that Loudoun definitely won't have access to anymore (someone seems to be confident of that info), why can't that be used as info to infer the state of Loudoun's base of players?

It is pure BS. Back it up with numbers. How many of their player are attending FCV and WS ID sessions? Not many, I am talking maybe two or three. It’s BS but the DA PP won’t back his BS with any facts.

FCV ID sessions have been over for a month now. Loudoun Red and FCV teams had trained together regularly during the fall season so FCV already knew the players. Loudoun players did go to the early DA ID sessions before ECNL was announced and the players were then discouraged but the players were already know, registered and made offers to.

Facts

LOL. So what? Loudoun kids have offers from other clubs. Woohoo. Too early to tell. Sounds more like they showed interested before Loudoun ECNL announced.

You are obviously a Loudoun ECNL supporter. I'm interested in your opinion. Have you been to a Loudoun ECNL ID session? If so, tell us if top Loudoun Red kids at the 04-06 groups are attending.

And more telling, are any DA kids attending the older tryouts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not here to argue with any of you ECNL supporters. I'm telling you what's going on through my own eyes. If you are see something else let me know. But in Northern Virginia, which is the ECNL talent base for the MA division, younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL. Mclean ECNL is losing players at younger age groups. LOUDOUN ECNL has no talent base left.

On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

I am definitely seeing something else. I have been attending the DA ID sessions. I do not see a large number of younger players from ECNL. Some - yes. But to say younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL is really reaching. I also am not seeing the best talent from Loudoun and other program attend these sessions. I think it is too early to tell. I do not think we will all know until rosters are set.

The way you mention Loudoun has no talent base left...well that makes your agenda clear. You are a DA parent (probably the FCV jerk) out to misinform people. Here is why I say that - there is no way you know. You do not know what Loudoun is doing, it is too early to tell. DA and ECNL Rosters are not set or announced. So to say no talent base left is pure BS.

Before you lash out to get the last word - we still do not know where we will be playing and are still on the fence between DA and ECNL. Your posts like this do not help anyone. Ok - feel free to bash now like a little baby, I could not care less.

Not PP, I think we can agree that while we don't know what Loudoun is doing yet; there is info about talent that Loudoun definitely won't have access to anymore (someone seems to be confident of that info), why can't that be used as info to infer the state of Loudoun's base of players?

It is pure BS. Back it up with numbers. How many of their player are attending FCV and WS ID sessions? Not many, I am talking maybe two or three. It’s BS but the DA PP won’t back his BS with any facts.

FCV ID sessions have been over for a month now. Loudoun Red and FCV teams had trained together regularly during the fall season so FCV already knew the players. Loudoun players did go to the early DA ID sessions before ECNL was announced and the players were then discouraged but the players were already know, registered and made offers to.

Facts

LOL. So what? Loudoun kids have offers from other clubs. Woohoo. Too early to tell. Sounds more like they showed interested before Loudoun ECNL announced.

You are obviously a Loudoun ECNL supporter. I'm interested in your opinion. Have you been to a Loudoun ECNL ID session? If so, tell us if top Loudoun Red kids at the 04-06 groups are attending.

They did show up to the Loudoun ECNL ID session. But then coach Gus pulled up in the FCV bus in the parking lot. There were words on the side of the bus that said "Soccer the Brazilian Way". Christian stepped out with a duffle bag full of cash and said he would them how the big clubs play. The players and parents all got on the bus and left. Loudoun ECNL then had no base of talent left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Let's not forget that the ECNL also gave them an ultimatum that they had to choose one or the other.

That's hearsay. Do you have proof of this ?

I don't have a press release from ECNL. I've just heard it from so many sources, and without anyone denying it, that I believe it. Not because I want to or not. I actually had speculated maybe USSF had done it, until many people who are usually in the "know" told me I was incorrect.

Gotcha. That's the danger in all of this. Parents are generally so jaded that it is easy to turn hearsay into something that aligns with the flavor of the day. Relative to businesses, clubs are generally run poorly, and communication flows are also poor so there is rarely any correction applied. It sounds ridiculous but it's not dissimilar to how the general population believed the earth to be flat back in the day. Folks just repeated what they heard, and those who opposed were shunned.

Your criticism is not totally unfair. That said, something for sure happened. These 3 clubs didn't just have an epiphany. It's not how the DA is run, or the impact that would have, because that is nothing new. It's been around for years. And since these clubs had BDAs, they absolutely knew.

So, why the sudden change in heart and why suddenly at tryout time?

Also, all these rumors that "more are coming", so far nothing, so I guess time will tell.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

If boys ECNL was a bit stronger and more entrenched, I would agree with you. But that's not the case. On the girls side, there is a competitive option, so they're taking it. On the boys side, not so much.

Is that why PDA will field two ECNL teams?

This is about big clubs who can call their shots and they simply scored a sweetheart money deal with ECNL.

Well first off, it's not clear to me that PDA will field two ECNL clubs. If you know this for a fact, please enlighten.
Secondly, running a club is running a business. No club can afford to be so altruistic that they ignore the bottom line. Further, most of these clubs, including PDA, are 501c3 organizations that must balance their bottom lines. That can be achieved by inflating salaries of course. If I'm not mistaken, their financials are publicly available to check. Are PDA coaches/TD's making a boatload of money? I doubt it.

PDA told the families of the current ECNL teams that they didn't have to worry about losing their spots with the GDA girls coming back. They told the families they would be having 2 ECNL teams. That much I know. I've heard that Michigan Hawks did too. So it is reasonable to assume that FC Stars will also follow suit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

If boys ECNL was a bit stronger and more entrenched, I would agree with you. But that's not the case. On the girls side, there is a competitive option, so they're taking it. On the boys side, not so much.

Is that why PDA will field two ECNL teams?

This is about big clubs who can call their shots and they simply scored a sweetheart money deal with ECNL.

Well first off, it's not clear to me that PDA will field two ECNL clubs. If you know this for a fact, please enlighten.
Secondly, running a club is running a business. No club can afford to be so altruistic that they ignore the bottom line. Further, most of these clubs, including PDA, are 501c3 organizations that must balance their bottom lines. That can be achieved by inflating salaries of course. If I'm not mistaken, their financials are publicly available to check. Are PDA coaches/TD's making a boatload of money? I doubt it.

PDA told the families of the current ECNL teams that they didn't have to worry about losing their spots with the GDA girls coming back. They told the families they would be having 2 ECNL teams. That much I know. I've heard that Michigan Hawks did too. So it is reasonable to assume that FC Stars will also follow suit.

It is also very telling that the ECNL girls needed to be reassured that they would not lose spots to returning GDA girls and not the other way around.