DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

#1: Breath
You are obviously worried that your child's " early offer" could be withdrawn if better talent shows up to the later ID sessions. I assure you, if your child received an offer to be on the team then your child will be on the team. Only you know this. Only you have the email. I suggest you reread it if you have any questions.

#2: Relax:
This is little girl soccer. You will soon realize that its not the bog of a deal. You know your child's talent level. Strength and weaknesses. Work on getting her better at her weaknesses so when the time counts (HS) she can do what her heart desires.

#3: Develop:
My child played ECNL. My child now plays DA. My child has developed more in one year under her new coach then under her ECNL coach. Its not because of league affiliation, its because that particular coach gives her more opportunities and connects with her on a different level. Sometimes, that is all that is needed. A change is not always bad. Sometimes, its what is needed

#4: Winning:
Being an elite 9 year olds means nothing. It really doesn't. Don't buy into the hype on needing to be on the best teams. However, you must be in the right environment to develop.

#5: Good First Touch:
Your child better have it or your child isn't playing top level soccer. Work on it. Get good at it. Do it at home. Coaches wont teach it. Most coaches teach passing...rarely do they teach dribbling. A good dribbler always has a good touch. If your coach frowns upon dribbling at the younger age then he isn't a good coach.

I can go on. But I wont. You know your child's worth. No one should be able to make you doubt that. But you must also be honest with yourself. Fix what needs fixing and encourage the good things. Its a long process. It takes a long time to get there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not here to argue with any of you ECNL supporters. I'm telling you what's going on through my own eyes. If you are see something else let me know. But in Northern Virginia, which is the ECNL talent base for the MA division, younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL. Mclean ECNL is losing players at younger age groups. LOUDOUN ECNL has no talent base left.

On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

I am definitely seeing something else. I have been attending the DA ID sessions. I do not see a large number of younger players from ECNL. Some - yes. But to say younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL is really reaching. I also am not seeing the best talent from Loudoun and other program attend these sessions. I think it is too early to tell. I do not think we will all know until rosters are set.

The way you mention Loudoun has no talent base left...well that makes your agenda clear. You are a DA parent (probably the FCV jerk) out to misinform people. Here is why I say that - there is no way you know. You do not know what Loudoun is doing, it is too early to tell. DA and ECNL Rosters are not set or announced. So to say no talent base left is pure BS.

Before you lash out to get the last word - we still do not know where we will be playing and are still on the fence between DA and ECNL. Your posts like this do not help anyone. Ok - feel free to bash now like a little baby, I could not care less.

Not PP, I think we can agree that while we don't know what Loudoun is doing yet; there is info about talent that Loudoun definitely won't have access to anymore (someone seems to be confident of that info), why can't that be used as info to infer the state of Loudoun's base of players?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:#1: Breath
You are obviously worried that your child's " early offer" could be withdrawn if better talent shows up to the later ID sessions. I assure you, if your child received an offer to be on the team then your child will be on the team. Only you know this. Only you have the email. I suggest you reread it if you have any questions.

#2: Relax:
This is little girl soccer. You will soon realize that its not the bog of a deal. You know your child's talent level. Strength and weaknesses. Work on getting her better at her weaknesses so when the time counts (HS) she can do what her heart desires.

#3: Develop:
My child played ECNL. My child now plays DA. My child has developed more in one year under her new coach then under her ECNL coach. Its not because of league affiliation, its because that particular coach gives her more opportunities and connects with her on a different level. Sometimes, that is all that is needed. A change is not always bad. Sometimes, its what is needed

#4: Winning:
Being an elite 9 year olds means nothing. It really doesn't. Don't buy into the hype on needing to be on the best teams. However, you must be in the right environment to develop.

#5: Good First Touch:
Your child better have it or your child isn't playing top level soccer. Work on it. Get good at it. Do it at home. Coaches wont teach it. Most coaches teach passing...rarely do they teach dribbling. A good dribbler always has a good touch. If your coach frowns upon dribbling at the younger age then he isn't a good coach.

I can go on. But I wont. You know your child's worth. No one should be able to make you doubt that. But you must also be honest with yourself. Fix what needs fixing and encourage the good things. Its a long process. It takes a long time to get there.

This was better than the snark I was going to post and luckily backed out of submitting. Good advice for all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not here to argue with any of you ECNL supporters. I'm telling you what's going on through my own eyes. If you are see something else let me know. But in Northern Virginia, which is the ECNL talent base for the MA division, younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL. Mclean ECNL is losing players at younger age groups. LOUDOUN ECNL has no talent base left.

On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

I am definitely seeing something else. I have been attending the DA ID sessions. I do not see a large number of younger players from ECNL. Some - yes. But to say younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL is really reaching. I also am not seeing the best talent from Loudoun and other program attend these sessions. I think it is too early to tell. I do not think we will all know until rosters are set.

The way you mention Loudoun has no talent base left...well that makes your agenda clear. You are a DA parent (probably the FCV jerk) out to misinform people. Here is why I say that - there is no way you know. You do not know what Loudoun is doing, it is too early to tell. DA and ECNL Rosters are not set or announced. So to say no talent base left is pure BS.

Before you lash out to get the last word - we still do not know where we will be playing and are still on the fence between DA and ECNL. Your posts like this do not help anyone. Ok - feel free to bash now like a little baby, I could not care less.

It is irrelevant what Loudoun is doing, the comment is geared towards where the Loudoun top players are going. Parents talk to each other and it is pretty known that many of their top players are going to DAs. We can argue about whether or not they are the top players but not whether they are leaving for DA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not here to argue with any of you ECNL supporters. I'm telling you what's going on through my own eyes. If you are see something else let me know. But in Northern Virginia, which is the ECNL talent base for the MA division, younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL. Mclean ECNL is losing players at younger age groups. LOUDOUN ECNL has no talent base left.

On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

I am definitely seeing something else. I have been attending the DA ID sessions. I do not see a large number of younger players from ECNL. Some - yes. But to say younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL is really reaching. I also am not seeing the best talent from Loudoun and other program attend these sessions. I think it is too early to tell. I do not think we will all know until rosters are set.

The way you mention Loudoun has no talent base left...well that makes your agenda clear. You are a DA parent (probably the FCV jerk) out to misinform people. Here is why I say that - there is no way you know. You do not know what Loudoun is doing, it is too early to tell. DA and ECNL Rosters are not set or announced. So to say no talent base left is pure BS.

Before you lash out to get the last word - we still do not know where we will be playing and are still on the fence between DA and ECNL. Your posts like this do not help anyone. Ok - feel free to bash now like a little baby, I could not care less.

Not PP, I think we can agree that while we don't know what Loudoun is doing yet; there is info about talent that Loudoun definitely won't have access to anymore (someone seems to be confident of that info), why can't that be used as info to infer the state of Loudoun's base of players?

It is pure BS. Back it up with numbers. How many of their player are attending FCV and WS ID sessions? Not many, I am talking maybe two or three. It’s BS but the DA PP won’t back his BS with any facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not here to argue with any of you ECNL supporters. I'm telling you what's going on through my own eyes. If you are see something else let me know. But in Northern Virginia, which is the ECNL talent base for the MA division, younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL. Mclean ECNL is losing players at younger age groups. LOUDOUN ECNL has no talent base left.

On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

I am definitely seeing something else. I have been attending the DA ID sessions. I do not see a large number of younger players from ECNL. Some - yes. But to say younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL is really reaching. I also am not seeing the best talent from Loudoun and other program attend these sessions. I think it is too early to tell. I do not think we will all know until rosters are set.

The way you mention Loudoun has no talent base left...well that makes your agenda clear. You are a DA parent (probably the FCV jerk) out to misinform people. Here is why I say that - there is no way you know. You do not know what Loudoun is doing, it is too early to tell. DA and ECNL Rosters are not set or announced. So to say no talent base left is pure BS.

Before you lash out to get the last word - we still do not know where we will be playing and are still on the fence between DA and ECNL. Your posts like this do not help anyone. Ok - feel free to bash now like a little baby, I could not care less.

I am the poster that just wrote the post about relaxing. I am telling you what I know. If you don't like it..fine. The top talent from Loudoun 05 has accepted offers at FCV. So the Loudoun ECNL U14 group has been severely damaged. The 04 group has already left Loudoun. So next years ECNL U15 team has been severly damaged. The 06 group is leaving Loudoun for FCV as well. So the Loudoun U13 ECNL team has been severly damaged. The 03 and higher groups cannot break into FCV existing rosters. So they will stay put or leave. Don't know.

I am not a FCV parent. I not here to bash you or your ideas. I'm sharing information as i understand it...and offering my opinion. I am not the All Mighty nor do I want to be.

Mclean and BRYC are the only 2 Nova ECNL clubs this year. My claim was that i am hearing that there is movement among the Mclean younger ECNL teams. 1 or 2 kids, if they are studs, can drastically change a team for better or worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not here to argue with any of you ECNL supporters. I'm telling you what's going on through my own eyes. If you are see something else let me know. But in Northern Virginia, which is the ECNL talent base for the MA division, younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL. Mclean ECNL is losing players at younger age groups. LOUDOUN ECNL has no talent base left.

On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

I am definitely seeing something else. I have been attending the DA ID sessions. I do not see a large number of younger players from ECNL. Some - yes. But to say younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL is really reaching. I also am not seeing the best talent from Loudoun and other program attend these sessions. I think it is too early to tell. I do not think we will all know until rosters are set.

The way you mention Loudoun has no talent base left...well that makes your agenda clear. You are a DA parent (probably the FCV jerk) out to misinform people. Here is why I say that - there is no way you know. You do not know what Loudoun is doing, it is too early to tell. DA and ECNL Rosters are not set or announced. So to say no talent base left is pure BS.

Before you lash out to get the last word - we still do not know where we will be playing and are still on the fence between DA and ECNL. Your posts like this do not help anyone. Ok - feel free to bash now like a little baby, I could not care less.

Not PP, I think we can agree that while we don't know what Loudoun is doing yet; there is info about talent that Loudoun definitely won't have access to anymore (someone seems to be confident of that info), why can't that be used as info to infer the state of Loudoun's base of players?

It is pure BS. Back it up with numbers. How many of their player are attending FCV and WS ID sessions? Not many, I am talking maybe two or three. It’s BS but the DA PP won’t back his BS with any facts.

FCV ID sessions have been over for a month now. Loudoun Red and FCV teams had trained together regularly during the fall season so FCV already knew the players. Loudoun players did go to the early DA ID sessions before ECNL was announced and the players were then discouraged but the players were already know, registered and made offers to.

Facts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:#1: Breath
You are obviously worried that your child's " early offer" could be withdrawn if better talent shows up to the later ID sessions. I assure you, if your child received an offer to be on the team then your child will be on the team. Only you know this. Only you have the email. I suggest you reread it if you have any questions.

#2: Relax:
This is little girl soccer. You will soon realize that its not the bog of a deal. You know your child's talent level. Strength and weaknesses. Work on getting her better at her weaknesses so when the time counts (HS) she can do what her heart desires.

#3: Develop:
My child played ECNL. My child now plays DA. My child has developed more in one year under her new coach then under her ECNL coach. Its not because of league affiliation, its because that particular coach gives her more opportunities and connects with her on a different level. Sometimes, that is all that is needed. A change is not always bad. Sometimes, its what is needed

#4: Winning:
Being an elite 9 year olds means nothing. It really doesn't. Don't buy into the hype on needing to be on the best teams. However, you must be in the right environment to develop.

#5: Good First Touch:
Your child better have it or your child isn't playing top level soccer. Work on it. Get good at it. Do it at home. Coaches wont teach it. Most coaches teach passing...rarely do they teach dribbling. A good dribbler always has a good touch. If your coach frowns upon dribbling at the younger age then he isn't a good coach.

I can go on. But I wont. You know your child's worth. No one should be able to make you doubt that. But you must also be honest with yourself. Fix what needs fixing and encourage the good things. Its a long process. It takes a long time to get there.

NP here. I like your post. I'll be honest that DD has been trying out at multiple DAs and haven't ruled out ECNL. I don't have a favorite between the two platforms as I think the underlying Club is the most important part. I just want to put out there on this board that when we have done stuff with the Washington Spirit and their sessions and talked to their coaches, this is the sort of vibe we get. That part about caring more about first touch than anything else, I love that.

Also training on your own - very important.

Building a winning team is absolutely secondary for DD. Please don't jump on this post, but there is just a different vibe. I do know their teams are not as strong this year but I actually don't really care about that part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

If boys ECNL was a bit stronger and more entrenched, I would agree with you. But that's not the case. On the girls side, there is a competitive option, so they're taking it. On the boys side, not so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

If boys ECNL was a bit stronger and more entrenched, I would agree with you. But that's not the case. On the girls side, there is a competitive option, so they're taking it. On the boys side, not so much.

Is that why PDA will field two ECNL teams?

This is about big clubs who can call their shots and they simply scored a sweetheart money deal with ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Spirit VA has not sent out any offers to any players yet.

sock puppet: why were you trying to mislead before the ID session when everyone acknowledges now that offers had been given as far back as feb.? you work at spirit, is that why you are all hot and bothered for being called out

You are sick in the head. Everyone else on this board wants to move on to a meaningful conversation, and because you are obsessed with this poster, you can't. I feel sorry for your child. And I sincerely hope you stay at whatever ECNL club you are at.

I think all the posters agree you are contributing to the problem as much as anyone.

Here's a more interesting topic, all of this has made me curious about one of the previous posts. Do people think that clubs are even aware of this website and all the discussion of this turf war and trash talk on it? Does anyone think that coaches or anyone else running these clubs actually read this forum? I have always wondered about that given the ECNL vs DA market share battle and actually do not have any sense. I hope the answer is No.

Not PP and not touching this one with a 10' pole........ LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
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In reference to the Mclean supporter. Stop being so overly protective. Mclean Soccer Inc. is a business designed to make money. They are not Holy than thou. Younger Mclean (and some older) are leaving the ECNL program for the local DA's. Some kids seen at FCV and Spirit...Some snooping at Arlington. Mclean is situated in the middle of all three DA's. So there will be a natural draw there.
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You do realize that McLean (and many other orgs) are not for profit, right?
I think it's healthy for any club's players to be trying out at other clubs. Due to the growing variance in timeline offers lately, players have to play the field a bit more than normal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not here to argue with any of you ECNL supporters. I'm telling you what's going on through my own eyes. If you are see something else let me know. But in Northern Virginia, which is the ECNL talent base for the MA division, younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL. Mclean ECNL is losing players at younger age groups. LOUDOUN ECNL has no talent base left.

On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

I am definitely seeing something else. I have been attending the DA ID sessions. I do not see a large number of younger players from ECNL. Some - yes. But to say younger kids are choosing DA over ECNL is really reaching. I also am not seeing the best talent from Loudoun and other program attend these sessions. I think it is too early to tell. I do not think we will all know until rosters are set.

The way you mention Loudoun has no talent base left...well that makes your agenda clear. You are a DA parent (probably the FCV jerk) out to misinform people. Here is why I say that - there is no way you know. You do not know what Loudoun is doing, it is too early to tell. DA and ECNL Rosters are not set or announced. So to say no talent base left is pure BS.

Before you lash out to get the last word - we still do not know where we will be playing and are still on the fence between DA and ECNL. Your posts like this do not help anyone. Ok - feel free to bash now like a little baby, I could not care less.

Not PP, I think we can agree that while we don't know what Loudoun is doing yet; there is info about talent that Loudoun definitely won't have access to anymore (someone seems to be confident of that info), why can't that be used as info to infer the state of Loudoun's base of players?

It is pure BS. Back it up with numbers. How many of their player are attending FCV and WS ID sessions? Not many, I am talking maybe two or three. It’s BS but the DA PP won’t back his BS with any facts.

FCV ID sessions have been over for a month now. Loudoun Red and FCV teams had trained together regularly during the fall season so FCV already knew the players. Loudoun players did go to the early DA ID sessions before ECNL was announced and the players were then discouraged but the players were already know, registered and made offers to.

Facts

LOL. So what? Loudoun kids have offers from other clubs. Woohoo. Too early to tell. Sounds more like they showed interested before Loudoun ECNL announced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
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In reference to the Mclean supporter. Stop being so overly protective. Mclean Soccer Inc. is a business designed to make money. They are not Holy than thou. Younger Mclean (and some older) are leaving the ECNL program for the local DA's. Some kids seen at FCV and Spirit...Some snooping at Arlington. Mclean is situated in the middle of all three DA's. So there will be a natural draw there.
..........................................................................

You do realize that McLean (and many other orgs) are not for profit, right?
I think it's healthy for any club's players to be trying out at other clubs. Due to the growing variance in timeline offers lately, players have to play the field a bit more than normal.

Yes. I do realize that. I'm telling you my observations. I am not over analyzing the matter. It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
On another note...PDA is full of BS. They should drop boys DA if they truly believe in what they are saying. But they don't and they won't. So what does that tell you...and don't arguing that girls are different and want different things...BS.

If boys ECNL was a bit stronger and more entrenched, I would agree with you. But that's not the case. On the girls side, there is a competitive option, so they're taking it. On the boys side, not so much.

And yet all the same powerhouse clubs have teams in the Boys' ECNL: PDA, Michigan Hawks, FC Stars, all of them. I would say a better statement is that the boys ECNL isn't as large (because it looks like they are better represented on the East Coast). But I don't see how we can say it doesn't have good clubs participating. BRYC is "all in" for the ECNL on both sides. =)