Taylor's Feb Rec for Crown Boundary Study

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Anonymous wrote:Even Rockville's own AVG said that the route to Wootton victory "is political and not legal." And given that his entire job is to keep all the good things in Rockville, I think this is significant. Even they know they don't have a legal case.

A lawsuit will make political support for Option H evaporate No politician will want to support it if the facts show the recommendation was pre-determined and community engagement was a sham.

Too little, too late. Move or move on-the choice is yours.

Nope. Right on time. As soon as the BOE votes.

What are you afraid of?

Pretty sure we’ve covered this ground already but I’ll repeat myself: we are afraid of wasting more taxpayer money and time for MCPS staff when these valuable resources could be spent on things that can actually move us forward not keep us stuck in your weird conspiracy theories. We are worried you’ll continue to create divides in communities and model monster mentalities for our (and your) children.

You want to talk dividing communities? Lol! Dividing communities is a white woman coming to the board of education candidate forum tonight just to yell at everyone—including many who are parents of color—about how racist they are. Dividing communities is also this same person continuing to scream at individual parents after the forum concluded.

Keep it classy folks!

I have no idea what you’re talking about or why you’re talking about it. But based on what went on on Tuesday, I have a suspicion she might be onto something.

Talking about tonight’s meeting at Wootton: the BOE candidates forum, which was very peaceful until… it wasn’t.

Nothing like a white lady making a broad sweeping generalization of everyone in a room and calling them racist.

The irony is…wow.

Pretty sure she continued her tirade afterwards and kept yelling at a group of Asian women about how they are all racist?

What do you call someone who loudly generalizes about a group of Asian women and label all of them as racists without knowing them individually….

I think the word I’m looking for starts with R and ends with ism. I’m sure the word will come to me…

Hmmm I’ve seen lots of conversations with some of these Asian women and some things they have said and continue to say are indeed racist. Like some really disgusting things against the crown community. Being Asian does not mean it’s impossible for that person to be racist towards other POC.

Good thing the meeting video will eventually come out to judge exactly what happened during.

Sure, anyone can be racist. But to call people racist without knowing the individuals is ironic, no?

Anyways, I hope that lady finds peace and stops dividing our community. The whole thing was too much.

Here’s the thing, though, you can be racist by making racist comments. But you can also be racist by letting racist comments slide. Tuesday night at the candidate forum, a man stood up and asked a classist question. People clapped. Yesterday someone put something explicitly racist in one of the Wootton group chats. No one said a word except for one woman who called it out, and several Black families who thanked her for speaking up.

I wasn’t at the candidate forum so I didn’t hear what she said in the meeting or after, but the idea that she is the one who is dividing our community - which by the way includes hundreds of Hispanic, Black and low-income families, even if their numbers are relatively small compared to other populations - by calling out racism is ludicrous. If you hear racist comments and let them slide, you are acting racist. If you ask for people to unify by ignoring racism in service of a larger goals, you are acting racist. I get that it’s uncomfortable to be called out and that having someone yell it is a particularly hard way to hear and accept it. But everyone in this fight, including families from FRES and Crown, has access to the same harmful language that is coming from families at Wootton. Pretending ignorance is no longer a valid excuse. If you’re not fighting against it, you’re condoning it, regardless of whether you agree with it in your heart of hearts or not.

You are right: letting racism slide is just as bad and should be called out. That’s why I’m calling out last night.

Not only was there someone calling everyone who disagreed with her racist, but she also after the event ended, went onward to scream at individual parents who all happen to be Asian women.

She went from Asian lady to Asian lady screaming at them. Judging from afar (I’m not an Asian woman so I guess she didn’t need to yell at me), it seemed she has a particular problem with Asian women. There wasn’t a single person she marched up to and lashed out at who wasn’t an Asian woman. The whole thing was so crazy, I left because I didn’t want to be a part of it. As I was leaving, I looked back and saw that she was still screaming at a different Asian lady.

These Asian women are not the “evil Asian women” who people keep referring to in these racist group chats. They are just regular parents with valid concerns.

You don’t suppose there’s anyway those Asian woman may have been coming up to her to yell at her do you? Maybe because they disagree with her viewpoint and wanted to yell her? The idea of her going around the room to yell at people is bizarre.

Same PP here. After the event ended, this woman literally ran to an Asian lady and started yelling at her. The first Asian didn’t engage. She then went immediately to a group of Asian women and started yelling again. This is when I left because it was just too crazy for me. When I got to the door and turned around, I saw her yelling at a completely different Asian lady.

No one—no one Asian, black, Hispanic, white—came up to her to yell at her.

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Anonymous wrote:Even Rockville's own AVG said that the route to Wootton victory "is political and not legal." And given that his entire job is to keep all the good things in Rockville, I think this is significant. Even they know they don't have a legal case.

A lawsuit will make political support for Option H evaporate No politician will want to support it if the facts show the recommendation was pre-determined and community engagement was a sham.

Too little, too late. Move or move on-the choice is yours.

Nope. Right on time. As soon as the BOE votes.

What are you afraid of?

Pretty sure we’ve covered this ground already but I’ll repeat myself: we are afraid of wasting more taxpayer money and time for MCPS staff when these valuable resources could be spent on things that can actually move us forward not keep us stuck in your weird conspiracy theories. We are worried you’ll continue to create divides in communities and model monster mentalities for our (and your) children.

You want to talk dividing communities? Lol! Dividing communities is a white woman coming to the board of education candidate forum tonight just to yell at everyone—including many who are parents of color—about how racist they are. Dividing communities is also this same person continuing to scream at individual parents after the forum concluded.

Keep it classy folks!

I have no idea what you’re talking about or why you’re talking about it. But based on what went on on Tuesday, I have a suspicion she might be onto something.

Talking about tonight’s meeting at Wootton: the BOE candidates forum, which was very peaceful until… it wasn’t.

Nothing like a white lady making a broad sweeping generalization of everyone in a room and calling them racist.

The irony is…wow.

Pretty sure she continued her tirade afterwards and kept yelling at a group of Asian women about how they are all racist?

What do you call someone who loudly generalizes about a group of Asian women and label all of them as racists without knowing them individually….

I think the word I’m looking for starts with R and ends with ism. I’m sure the word will come to me…

Hmmm I’ve seen lots of conversations with some of these Asian women and some things they have said and continue to say are indeed racist. Like some really disgusting things against the crown community. Being Asian does not mean it’s impossible for that person to be racist towards other POC.

Good thing the meeting video will eventually come out to judge exactly what happened during.

Sure, anyone can be racist. But to call people racist without knowing the individuals is ironic, no?

Anyways, I hope that lady finds peace and stops dividing our community. The whole thing was too much.

There are a lot of people of a lot of races, backgrounds, identities, etc. who oppose H and who oppose the superintendent’s handling of all of this.

To keep asserting that all those who oppose are racially motivated is unfounded and, frankly, disgusting.

I also can’t help but point out that this assertion of racism is strongest against Asian women. Just look at the response defending this behavior. “Hmmm I’ve seen lots of conversations with some of these Asian women.” First of all, what conversations? Second of all, some of these Asian women have said racist things (again according to who) but does this then means all Asian women are racist?

As in the words of Dr. Taylor, “just relax.”

Keep this energy for HIM. Stop screaming at others in the community and calling everyone a racist.

WhatsApp and next door have been active for months. There have been some truly racist comments with identifying information showing who was writing it. There have been comments literally saying these kids will ruin the Asian excellence at Wootton. That’s great you haven’t seen it but it DOES exist. And of course it’s not all Asian women.

I am not on either of those platforms. Nextdoor is…crazy. But if you have a problem with THOSE Asian women, then take it up with them. Sounds like you know who they are since, as you said, there’s identifying info. But don’t take it out on any and all Asian women?

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Anonymous wrote:Even Rockville's own AVG said that the route to Wootton victory "is political and not legal." And given that his entire job is to keep all the good things in Rockville, I think this is significant. Even they know they don't have a legal case.

A lawsuit will make political support for Option H evaporate No politician will want to support it if the facts show the recommendation was pre-determined and community engagement was a sham.

Too little, too late. Move or move on-the choice is yours.

Nope. Right on time. As soon as the BOE votes.

What are you afraid of?

Pretty sure we’ve covered this ground already but I’ll repeat myself: we are afraid of wasting more taxpayer money and time for MCPS staff when these valuable resources could be spent on things that can actually move us forward not keep us stuck in your weird conspiracy theories. We are worried you’ll continue to create divides in communities and model monster mentalities for our (and your) children.

You want to talk dividing communities? Lol! Dividing communities is a white woman coming to the board of education candidate forum tonight just to yell at everyone—including many who are parents of color—about how racist they are. Dividing communities is also this same person continuing to scream at individual parents after the forum concluded.

Keep it classy folks!

I have no idea what you’re talking about or why you’re talking about it. But based on what went on on Tuesday, I have a suspicion she might be onto something.

Talking about tonight’s meeting at Wootton: the BOE candidates forum, which was very peaceful until… it wasn’t.

Nothing like a white lady making a broad sweeping generalization of everyone in a room and calling them racist.

The irony is…wow.

Pretty sure she continued her tirade afterwards and kept yelling at a group of Asian women about how they are all racist?

What do you call someone who loudly generalizes about a group of Asian women and label all of them as racists without knowing them individually….

I think the word I’m looking for starts with R and ends with ism. I’m sure the word will come to me…

Hmmm I’ve seen lots of conversations with some of these Asian women and some things they have said and continue to say are indeed racist. Like some really disgusting things against the crown community. Being Asian does not mean it’s impossible for that person to be racist towards other POC.

Good thing the meeting video will eventually come out to judge exactly what happened during.

Sure, anyone can be racist. But to call people racist without knowing the individuals is ironic, no?

Anyways, I hope that lady finds peace and stops dividing our community. The whole thing was too much.

There are a lot of people of a lot of races, backgrounds, identities, etc. who oppose H and who oppose the superintendent’s handling of all of this.

To keep asserting that all those who oppose are racially motivated is unfounded and, frankly, disgusting.

I also can’t help but point out that this assertion of racism is strongest against Asian women. Just look at the response defending this behavior. “Hmmm I’ve seen lots of conversations with some of these Asian women.” First of all, what conversations? Second of all, some of these Asian women have said racist things (again according to who) but does this then means all Asian women are racist?

As in the words of Dr. Taylor, “just relax.”

Keep this energy for HIM. Stop screaming at others in the community and calling everyone a racist.

WhatsApp and next door have been active for months. There have been some truly racist comments with identifying information showing who was writing it. There have been comments literally saying these kids will ruin the Asian excellence at Wootton. That’s great you haven’t seen it but it DOES exist. And of course it’s not all Asian women.

I am not on either of those platforms. Nextdoor is…crazy. But if you have a problem with THOSE Asian women, then take it up with them. Sounds like you know who they are since, as you said, there’s identifying info. But don’t take it out on any and all Asian women?

Never said it was ALL Asian women. Was responding to an initial post that said the woman who called out racism must actually racist herself because she was "yelling" at Asian women last night. I have my thoughts on what actualy happened last night but that's irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Even Rockville's own AVG said that the route to Wootton victory "is political and not legal." And given that his entire job is to keep all the good things in Rockville, I think this is significant. Even they know they don't have a legal case.

A lawsuit will make political support for Option H evaporate No politician will want to support it if the facts show the recommendation was pre-determined and community engagement was a sham.

Too little, too late. Move or move on-the choice is yours.

Nope. Right on time. As soon as the BOE votes.

What are you afraid of?

Pretty sure we’ve covered this ground already but I’ll repeat myself: we are afraid of wasting more taxpayer money and time for MCPS staff when these valuable resources could be spent on things that can actually move us forward not keep us stuck in your weird conspiracy theories. We are worried you’ll continue to create divides in communities and model monster mentalities for our (and your) children.

You want to talk dividing communities? Lol! Dividing communities is a white woman coming to the board of education candidate forum tonight just to yell at everyone—including many who are parents of color—about how racist they are. Dividing communities is also this same person continuing to scream at individual parents after the forum concluded.

Keep it classy folks!

I have no idea what you’re talking about or why you’re talking about it. But based on what went on on Tuesday, I have a suspicion she might be onto something.

Talking about tonight’s meeting at Wootton: the BOE candidates forum, which was very peaceful until… it wasn’t.

Nothing like a white lady making a broad sweeping generalization of everyone in a room and calling them racist.

The irony is…wow.

Pretty sure she continued her tirade afterwards and kept yelling at a group of Asian women about how they are all racist?

What do you call someone who loudly generalizes about a group of Asian women and label all of them as racists without knowing them individually….

I think the word I’m looking for starts with R and ends with ism. I’m sure the word will come to me…

Hmmm I’ve seen lots of conversations with some of these Asian women and some things they have said and continue to say are indeed racist. Like some really disgusting things against the crown community. Being Asian does not mean it’s impossible for that person to be racist towards other POC.

Good thing the meeting video will eventually come out to judge exactly what happened during.

Sure, anyone can be racist. But to call people racist without knowing the individuals is ironic, no?

Anyways, I hope that lady finds peace and stops dividing our community. The whole thing was too much.

There are a lot of people of a lot of races, backgrounds, identities, etc. who oppose H and who oppose the superintendent’s handling of all of this.

To keep asserting that all those who oppose are racially motivated is unfounded and, frankly, disgusting.

I also can’t help but point out that this assertion of racism is strongest against Asian women. Just look at the response defending this behavior. “Hmmm I’ve seen lots of conversations with some of these Asian women.” First of all, what conversations? Second of all, some of these Asian women have said racist things (again according to who) but does this then means all Asian women are racist?

As in the words of Dr. Taylor, “just relax.”

Keep this energy for HIM. Stop screaming at others in the community and calling everyone a racist.

WhatsApp and next door have been active for months. There have been some truly racist comments with identifying information showing who was writing it. There have been comments literally saying these kids will ruin the Asian excellence at Wootton. That’s great you haven’t seen it but it DOES exist. And of course it’s not all Asian women.

I am not on either of those platforms. Nextdoor is…crazy. But if you have a problem with THOSE Asian women, then take it up with them. Sounds like you know who they are since, as you said, there’s identifying info. But don’t take it out on any and all Asian women?

Never said it was ALL Asian women. Was responding to an initial post that said the woman who called out racism must actually racist herself because she was "yelling" at Asian women last night. I have my thoughts on what actualy happened last night but that's irrelevant.

PP: Were you there? I would love to know what happened from someone who was there.

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Folks, if you are calling people "racist" purely for the sake of discrediting a position about boundaries you disagree with, you're an ahole. If you want to call out racism, center the the group that is being harmed. Otherwise you are just weaponizing anti-racism to get what you want.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks, if you are calling people "racist" purely for the sake of discrediting a position about boundaries you disagree with, you're an ahole. If you want to call out racism, center the the group that is being harmed. Otherwise you are just weaponizing anti-racism to get what you want.

This is not what is happening. I am so sick of SOME members of the Wootton community justifying their behavior and denying their racism. I hope a reporter gets ahold of all of these receipts and writes a story about the true motivations of their being so against this move to Crown.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks, if you are calling people "racist" purely for the sake of discrediting a position about boundaries you disagree with, you're an ahole. If you want to call out racism, center the the group that is being harmed. Otherwise you are just weaponizing anti-racism to get what you want.

This is not what is happening. I am so sick of SOME members of the Wootton community justifying their behavior and denying their racism. I hope a reporter gets ahold of all of these receipts and writes a story about the true motivations of their being so against this move to Crown.

Then share what they said and what was racist about it and how it impacted the group they were being racist towards.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks, if you are calling people "racist" purely for the sake of discrediting a position about boundaries you disagree with, you're an ahole. If you want to call out racism, center the the group that is being harmed. Otherwise you are just weaponizing anti-racism to get what you want.

This is not what is happening. I am so sick of SOME members of the Wootton community justifying their behavior and denying their racism. I hope a reporter gets ahold of all of these receipts and writes a story about the true motivations of their being so against this move to Crown.

Then share what they said and what was racist about it and how it impacted the group they were being racist towards.

DCUM is not the place to share.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks, if you are calling people "racist" purely for the sake of discrediting a position about boundaries you disagree with, you're an ahole. If you want to call out racism, center the the group that is being harmed. Otherwise you are just weaponizing anti-racism to get what you want.

This is not what is happening. I am so sick of SOME members of the Wootton community justifying their behavior and denying their racism. I hope a reporter gets ahold of all of these receipts and writes a story about the true motivations of their being so against this move to Crown.

Then share what they said and what was racist about it and how it impacted the group they were being racist towards.

DCUM is not the place to share.

So why are you here?

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Anonymous wrote:Folks, if you are calling people "racist" purely for the sake of discrediting a position about boundaries you disagree with, you're an ahole. If you want to call out racism, center the the group that is being harmed. Otherwise you are just weaponizing anti-racism to get what you want.

This is not what is happening. I am so sick of SOME members of the Wootton community justifying their behavior and denying their racism. I hope a reporter gets ahold of all of these receipts and writes a story about the true motivations of their being so against this move to Crown.

Then share what they said and what was racist about it and how it impacted the group they were being racist towards.

DCUM is not the place to share.

So why are you here?

Any identifying information will get deleted here...

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Anonymous wrote:Folks, if you are calling people "racist" purely for the sake of discrediting a position about boundaries you disagree with, you're an ahole. If you want to call out racism, center the the group that is being harmed. Otherwise you are just weaponizing anti-racism to get what you want.

This is not what is happening. I am so sick of SOME members of the Wootton community justifying their behavior and denying their racism. I hope a reporter gets ahold of all of these receipts and writes a story about the true motivations of their being so against this move to Crown.

Then share what they said and what was racist about it and how it impacted the group they were being racist towards.

DCUM is not the place to share.

So why are you here?

Don't worry, if I want to share the receipts I know where to go. We'll see what type of lawsuit gets filed next week first.

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I had to ask someone about the racist lady that people are talking about on here.

I knew people that went to the meeting but they didn't really say anything about her last night. Although the person I knew left early, so might've missed anything that got escalated.

If it's the same person it sounds like that lady is a Dufief mom who the anti H people are kind of tired about and may not have been receptive of her.

I think the whole issue of the public sentiment and the sentiment of the pro H people towards the anti H people is problematic. What are the accusations? They're racist, classist, etc.

Yeah that might be the reasoning behind some of them but it's not all of them.

Just think about it, if MCPS had the money and tried to keep the majority happy. So they send Dufief, Travilah, Stonemill, Fields Road and the Rosemont island to Crown. Then kept Lakewood, Fallsmead and Cold Spring at the current Wootton, would the Dufief families be happy? They still have three of the original Wootton feeders going to their school, plus one outside ES and a tiny island of another school.

If they have any issues with that proposal, again pretending that cost isn't a factor, it's the same reasons the Parkway people have.

You can criticize a school and population and not really make it about race or class. Some things are just the way things are. We know three people that taught at Fields Road. One person is a sub who seemed to be a preference of the principal and loved getting long term assignments at that school. Then two teachers who didn't stay there for more then two or three years due to the chaotic environment. So two out of three teachers who had issues with the environment there.

Then families see the negative reviews posted for the school here:
https://www.greatschools.org/maryland/gaithersburg/892-Fields-Road-Elementary-School/#Reviews
(there are positive reviews too)

If outside families see the above, it's kind of a valid reason to have concern about the new grouping of schools.

Then even people in those communities are eager to get out of it. From what I gather, a good portion of the Washingtonian Woods families send their kids to private school or Poolesville. They have residents signing the petition for Option H and I don't know if it's people trolling but you see posters on DC Urbanmom suggest that Washingtonian Woods get reassigned to Dufief.

Then you have the Rosemont island people chomping at the bit to have the Wootton students go to Crown. They apparently refuse to wait and have their kids go to Gaithersburg HS in the meantime.

The same reasons why some of the Rosemont island and Washingtonian Woods families don't want their kids in the local schools are the same reasons why the Wootton families don't want the change in schools.

No one said anything about race, class, etc. It's just facts, some schools have issues. And if you say something like, well that's the norm for MCPS and welcome to the real world, that's where the whole issue is. Where that's not the norm for Wootton and why families chose to live there.

If you take out the good schools, what appeal does Montgomery County have over neighboring counties?

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Anonymous wrote:Folks, if you are calling people "racist" purely for the sake of discrediting a position about boundaries you disagree with, you're an ahole. If you want to call out racism, center the the group that is being harmed. Otherwise you are just weaponizing anti-racism to get what you want.

This is not what is happening. I am so sick of SOME members of the Wootton community justifying their behavior and denying their racism. I hope a reporter gets ahold of all of these receipts and writes a story about the true motivations of their being so against this move to Crown.

Then share what they said and what was racist about it and how it impacted the group they were being racist towards.

Here or with the people both saying and tacitly condoning the racist remarks directly? I would argue with them directly is the more appropriate forum, but apparently if you do that you are automatically also a racist yourself so here are a couple of examples:

- Parents saying that Magruder should share Crown with FRES and Rosemont because they are all more demographically oriented to work-based learning rather than the academic excellence of Wootton kids
- Parents saying that the demographics of the new schools (in much more explicit terms that I am doing here) would compromise the excellence of current Wootton because there would be a lower percentage of Asians
- Parents saying that violent incidents will increase at Wootton (which by the way, are significantly currently higher than incidents at QOHS where FRES articulates to now) because of the change in demographics

Again, this is happening in forums online and its happening in Whatsapp chats that include hundreds of Wootton parents. I would be shocked if more than 2-3 of the 25 parents who went to the candidate forum last night aren't in any of those forums, as the people who went to the candidate forum are almost uniformly people who care deeply about the boundary study. So while they may not agree with any of those horrible views, they absolutely know about them and are doing nothing to speak up against them.

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I wasn’t at the forum and haven’t seen a video yet.

Some of the community seems to think that the Asian population is being unfairly targeted with the move to Crown. Why? Is it racist? It was specifically mentioned in questions at the Dr. Taylor night.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks, if you are calling people "racist" purely for the sake of discrediting a position about boundaries you disagree with, you're an ahole. If you want to call out racism, center the the group that is being harmed. Otherwise you are just weaponizing anti-racism to get what you want.

This is not what is happening. I am so sick of SOME members of the Wootton community justifying their behavior and denying their racism. I hope a reporter gets ahold of all of these receipts and writes a story about the true motivations of their being so against this move to Crown.

Then share what they said and what was racist about it and how it impacted the group they were being racist towards.

Boundary zones are temporary but internet metadata is forever. Shocking to see what people put in writing on WhatsApp when their phone # links to realtor pages or other community jobs!