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Exactly agree with the bolded statement. But making good choices doesn't mean surrendering your personal choices to the whims of the godlike OBs. I saw those earlier posts and that doesn't represent what the parents who choose home birth want. We aren't some hippie commune with flowers in our hair who birth babies onto the bed of organic granola. We make choices that are based on ancient wisdom and tradition. The truth is that some people trust their bodies, and other people trust doctors with their bodies. I encourage all new mothers or mothers-to-be to get a real education. Mothering Dot Com has the information and the truth and resources every mother needs for a safe pregnancy. If you like to think for yourself, visit Mothering Dot Com and you'll find a welcoming community. |
Anonymous
How do you know that Karen Carr felt that she could "defy the odds"? You're making an assumption that if Karen Carr didn't agree to deliver the baby, then the mother would have gone in for a c-section, which may not have been the case at all. |
Anonymous
Mothering Dot Com also routinely deletes posts and bans commentors who don't go along with a pretty radical anti-medicine, pro-NCB ideology. Even if the posts are done "nicely." For an experiment, why don't you visit MDC, go to one of their posts that has obvious gaps in logic, and make a polite correction that says something like, "Actually, what the evidence says about using garlic to prevent neonatal sepsis is that it doesn't work nearly as well as antibiotics." Then wait about 30 minutes for your post to be deleted. It's a fun experiment to do. If you like others to moderate out dissent until you are in an echo-chamber, and you think that that is thinking for yourself, then please go visit MDC. And what is "ancient wisdom?" You don't believe that lots and lots of babies and mothers used to die in childbirth? |
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| Give me modern medical techniques anyday if it improves my child's chance of survival. I'd rather rely on a doctor who might be doing a c-section out of an abundance of caution over some "ancient Chinese secret." I frankly don't trust my now 44 year old body to do much of what I ask of it. |
Anonymous
According to the home birthing experts in this thread she would have had no other option, which is why she supposedly chose Karen Carr. People explained earlier that because Tchabo is the only other professional who is willing to do vag. breech births, and he turned the mother down, she had "no choice but to chose home birth with Karen Carr". It does strike me as "defying the odds" if Karen Carr was the only professional willing to do the breech birth at home, while the mother was turned down elsewhere. Again, I am going by what I have read, and of course you are right. None of the things mentioned in the 106 pages may be correct. |
Anonymous
In this case that trust lead to a dead baby. So how much is that trust in your own body worth if you have no safe plan B that will keep both you and your baby alive? Sometimes you cannot have what you want without taking risks that are too high. What would you say to this 43 year old first time mother of a dead baby? "At least you got a real education and trusted your body?" Nobody should blindly trust one professional, I give you that. But if several advise against what you want, don't you think there is some value to that? |
Anonymous
Some women choose to have an unassisted birth at home. Neither KC nor the mother is talking, so we don't know what was discussed or what either of their thinking was. It's all just speculation at this point. |
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The 43-year-old mother, in time, will be fine. And please don't mock what has happened on earth long before there were big conglomerate hospitals. Birth is a natural process, and there is some truth to the Darwinistic aspect, but I prefer to think that God has other plans. We can't begin to understand, or explain, or file a lawsuit on everything. In nature, not all births come to fruition. With people too, not all people are supposed to be birth parents. I would not put it that bluntly to the grieving mother, but that's what my feelings would be.
Yes, there is an ancient wisdom that a birth mother has. She is doing something that her body was created to do. That has continued since ancient times. A good midwife doesn't rock the ancient boat, she just sees its direction and guides the mother there. That's why she "catches" the baby as opposed to delivers or extracts the baby. All this hostility. Don't you people have a nanny to berate? |
Anonymous
Obviously. You do realize (I hope) that babies can and do die as a direct result of a c/s. I'm guessing the extent of your research was the word of your OB. I'm so tired of the belief that going against the word of an OB means you are not doing what is best for your baby. What a bunch of sheeple. |
Anonymous
No nannies here. And this is why I think religion is toxic. People have been dying of infections and heart attacks since the dawn of time, too. It's what naturally happens when you are exposed to naturally occurring bacteria and animal fats in your diet. Yet, somehow, we've figured out how to both prevent and treat those things, so a person being born today can expect to live 80 years instead of 55. Amazing what we can do with our God-given brains, isn't it? And about this "ancient wisdom:" pregnant women who have placenta previa feel fine. So do those with pre-eclampsia. And those with diabetes. The only way we know that something is wrong is by doing tests that indicate there may be a problem, not by claiming that the woman should intuitively "know" if something is going wrong. That logic falls right in with victim-blaming, in my opinion. "Oh, you didn't "sense" that your baby's cord was around her neck when labor began? I guess you're just not womanly enough to deserve a live baby, then." |
Anonymous
You haven't lost a child, yet, have you? Children DIED in ancient times because mothers had NO options. You are ignorant. Consider that the luxury of someone who has never lost a child. |
Anonymous
Do you not understand the concept of risk? If giving birth to a breech baby vaginally means that the baby has a 1/500 chance of dying, but by CS the baby has a 1/3000 chance of dying, of course OBs are going to say that CS is safer. If your baby is the 1/3000, then you did do the most risk-averse thing you could, but you lost your baby anyway. And if your baby is one of the 499/500 delivered vaginally who lives, that doesn't mean that your OB is lying to you. |
Anonymous
Are we to assume that if you or someone you loved got cancer or heart disease or diabetes or hurt in an acciddnt you would not seek medical care because it is part of God's plan? It's all natural selection after all. In some parts of the world women still died during childbirth on a regular basis. Is that God's master plan too? Good Lord. |
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The US has one of the wost maternal mortality rates amongst industrialized nations. The safest thing would be to either 1) stay home, or 2) give birth in a different country.
Seems to me that in weighing risk factors...having a baby attended by an OB in a hospital in the US is a bad choice. That being so, according to the PP, most mothers do not understand risk. |