Midwife charged in DC? Karen Carr, CPM...

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I don't think anyone claimed she was licensed. Many people said she was certified, and according to her certification, she is allowed to practice anywhere. Technically, she is NOT licensed in any state, but is certified to work in every state. The license is a state regulatory issue, while the certification reflects the particular training she has had and her type of midwifery practice.

Yes, but would you qualify for the the license WITHOUT the training/certification? Why not just get the license so cover your butt? I suspect that some don't get licensed simply because they would not qualify for it in the first place (hush-hush), and therefore find excuses to categorically reject its entire concept - such authorities using it to "find", "flag", and persecute midwives when practicing where no such license exists. Maybe, but I find it a bit hard to believe since many DO obtain and use their license without such problems.

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Anonymous wrote:From NPR this morning http://mdmorn.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/511111/

For the record, I think Karen's belief that all CNMs are "medicalized" and have far too little experience with unmedicalized birth is untrue. Yes, many CNMs have taken a more medicalized approach to childbirth, but I think it's funny how she wants to talk about CNM education and training and how it's not adequate with respect to normal, physiologic birth, yet really wouldn't know the first thing about what type of education a CNM receives in the university setting. Almost every CNM I know spends a good portion of her clinical rotations in an out of hospital birth center setting. Some CNM students are not permitted to work with homebirth midwives depending on the level of malpractice insurance carried by the provider, but this is not to say that she can't have a fulfilling learning experience working in a birth center.

Great link, thanks for posting. I recommend that any mom to be who is considering a home birth listen to this clip, only 10 minutes long.
I was kind of surprised to listen to KC. She seemed very proud of herself that she learned midwifery, in part, from "reading obstetric textbooks" and "going to some workshops". Does she not see the irony there?
She even stated, in regards to home birth that "some women are better served in a hospital ".

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Some women are better served at home and some are better served in a hospital. What's so ironic about that? It's a matter of choice for the mom. Did you expect her to say "all mothers should give birth at home"?

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Anonymous wrote:Some women are better served at home and some are better served in a hospital. What's so ironic about that? It's a matter of choice for the mom. Did you expect her to say "all mothers should give birth at home"?

No, didn't expect her to say that. Nor did I expect her to spend half of the interview bashing the training and qualifications of "other" midwives who are licensed, credentialed and receive an advanced degree. She really should have spent her golden moment advocating more for her profession - CPM's - what they do, what their qualifications are and how they serve a unique niche within the pregnant population. I'm disappointed she didn't spend more time advocating for the good work CPMs are doing around our country.

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Anonymous wrote:Some women are better served at home and some are better served in a hospital. What's so ironic about that? It's a matter of choice for the mom. Did you expect her to say "all mothers should give birth at home"?

The irony comment was related to her previous statement, not the hospital statement.

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My first impression after listening to KC was, "So THIS is the supposedly charismatic spokes person who is representing C.P.M.'s?!"

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the nation has a deep longing for the skilled care of midwives, and by that I do not mean the conformist indoctrinated sheople of "med-wives." It's clear that CNMs with their fancy acronym and their gilded college lifestyles of study and tests and binge-drink-frat parties of studious woodworking, green lampshade acceptance and licensure think they are so above and beyond the true calling. What is more basic and normal than two souls, one laboring and one spirit guide, encouraging her along? A real midwife doesn't need the papers and trappings and three-ring binders of your pampered "polite" society.

All of this criticism about Karen! How dare you polished little silver spoon fed, beamer driving, Hogwarts action figure owning, Twilight reading little suburbanites in your pristine homes with your polished little gift-children criticize Karen Carr. Her work is a godsend. I have seen it with mine own eyes, and I have been blessed with the spirit of the God/Goddess within us all.

So what if she doesn't speak in snappy soundbites like all of your fancy doctor(ed) representatives who have one leg in bed with the insurance/danger/military industrial complex and one foot on the carpeted neck of humanity.

Karen Carr is real. And that is something that all of you little plastic people in your little boxes on the hillside will never be! Sure, sit stiffly on your little stoops and look down into the gutters where toss your waste and your car wash suds and you will see a different humanity that seeks a chance to rise up to NORMAL and not slink into the abnormal world of scheduled C-section factory babies between your grandé lattés.

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Anonymous wrote:the nation has a deep longing for the skilled care of midwives, and by that I do not mean the conformist indoctrinated sheople of "med-wives." It's clear that CNMs with their fancy acronym and their gilded college lifestyles of study and tests and binge-drink-frat parties of studious woodworking, green lampshade acceptance and licensure think they are so above and beyond the true calling. What is more basic and normal than two souls, one laboring and one spirit guide, encouraging her along? A real midwife doesn't need the papers and trappings and three-ring binders of your pampered "polite" society.

All of this criticism about Karen! How dare you polished little silver spoon fed, beamer driving, Hogwarts action figure owning, Twilight reading little suburbanites in your pristine homes with your polished little gift-children criticize Karen Carr. Her work is a godsend. I have seen it with mine own eyes, and I have been blessed with the spirit of the God/Goddess within us all.

So what if she doesn't speak in snappy soundbites like all of your fancy doctor(ed) representatives who have one leg in bed with the insurance/danger/military industrial complex and one foot on the carpeted neck of humanity.

Karen Carr is real. And that is something that all of you little plastic people in your little boxes on the hillside will never be! Sure, sit stiffly on your little stoops and look down into the gutters where toss your waste and your car wash suds and you will see a different humanity that seeks a chance to rise up to NORMAL and not slink into the abnormal world of scheduled C-section factory babies between your grandé lattés.

I hope everyone recognizes that this is someone's attempt at humor.

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I like the line about one leg in bed with the insurance/danger/military industrial complex and one foot on the carpeted neck of humanity.

I don't understand a word of it but it is pretty creatively written.

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O_0

I think PP is being serious...

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Anonymous wrote:I like the line about one leg in bed with the insurance/danger/military industrial complex and one foot on the carpeted neck of humanity.

I don't understand a word of it but it is pretty creatively written.

If by "creative" you meant "trite," "juvenile," and "overwrought," then yes.

I'm all for insightful parody, but Karen doesn't present herself as some sort of spirit guide and this is just silly.

Let's stop feeding the troll.

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At first I thought the creative writings were satirical, now I'm undecided. I do not think they are the work of a troll, but that of a keen observer with a good sense of humor? IDK.

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Hi,
Didn't read the whole thing but read most of it - not sure this was discussed and I wanted to bring it up. I am not trying to be mean here.. As a mother, I think being a mom is about what is good for your child even if you may feel uncomfortable with it, or strongly oppose it. I am certainly no martyr, but yes, being a mother is also about making sacrifices. Even if the mother had a traumatic experience and thought it was best to stay out of the hospital for both herself and the baby, how on earth could she not see that it was the safer thing for the baby, based on all the professional opinion except for KC's?? How could she let her fears and lay opinion get in the way of what was best for the baby? I had a c-section because of breech while I hoped and prepared for vaginal birth. When I understood that it was about the baby's safety, it was a no-brainer.. Being a parent is not just about making babies, it is about making good choices too.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi,
Didn't read the whole thing but read most of it - not sure this was discussed and I wanted to bring it up. I am not trying to be mean here.. As a mother, I think being a mom is about what is good for your child even if you may feel uncomfortable with it, or strongly oppose it. I am certainly no martyr, but yes, being a mother is also about making sacrifices. Even if the mother had a traumatic experience and thought it was best to stay out of the hospital for both herself and the baby, how on earth could she not see that it was the safer thing for the baby, based on all the professional opinion except for KC's?? How could she let her fears and lay opinion get in the way of what was best for the baby? I had a c-section because of breech while I hoped and prepared for vaginal birth. When I understood that it was about the baby's safety, it was a no-brainer.. Being a parent is not just about making babies, it is about making good choices too.

You honestly think in 106 pages this hasn't been said?

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Anonymous wrote:Hi,
Didn't read the whole thing but read most of it - not sure this was discussed and I wanted to bring it up. I am not trying to be mean here.. As a mother, I think being a mom is about what is good for your child even if you may feel uncomfortable with it, or strongly oppose it. I am certainly no martyr, but yes, being a mother is also about making sacrifices. Even if the mother had a traumatic experience and thought it was best to stay out of the hospital for both herself and the baby, how on earth could she not see that it was the safer thing for the baby, based on all the professional opinion except for KC's?? How could she let her fears and lay opinion get in the way of what was best for the baby? I had a c-section because of breech while I hoped and prepared for vaginal birth. When I understood that it was about the baby's safety, it was a no-brainer.. Being a parent is not just about making babies, it is about making good choices too.

You honestly think in 106 pages this hasn't been said?

It's been said, but if you asked me, it cannot be said often enough. I think many of us find ourselves in shock and disbelief that after being turned down by so many professionals, this 43-year-old first time mom went on to trust the one and only person who seemed to think she can defy the odds. I agree with the quoted PP.