Lebanon / Israel

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And the IDF ground operation in Lebanon has begun.

Good. The IDF is doing Lebanon a favor by ridding it of those terrorist losers, Hezbollah.

And this is the heartless attitude that creates lifelong enemies.

Real humans are dying. It’s not to be celebrated if the deaths are Israelis so why would you celebrate when the deaths are from Lebanon?

The Israeli and Israeli American perspective is that Israel is assuming all the risk and genuinely doing the world a favor. They also think it is sad but that it sadly has to be done to save the world. This is what they tell themselves and read on ynet.

They (not all) aren’t worried about creating NEW enemies. They have a cultish belief that everyone is already antisemitic and that if they venture too far from the tribe and mingle with gentiles they will eventually be met with hatred, violence, or attempts to convert them. That their only safe space is each other - is fundamental to their belief system. Religion is a system that reinforces itself. Judaism isn’t the only religion to use fear to reinforce insular community.

How to you reconcile this theory with the fact that like 70 percent of Jews marry non-Jews?

Because for many (most?) Jews in America, being Jewish is not a religion but an identity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And the IDF ground operation in Lebanon has begun.

Good. The IDF is doing Lebanon a favor by ridding it of those terrorist losers, Hezbollah.

And this is the heartless attitude that creates lifelong enemies.

Real humans are dying. It’s not to be celebrated if the deaths are Israelis so why would you celebrate when the deaths are from Lebanon?

The Israeli and Israeli American perspective is that Israel is assuming all the risk and genuinely doing the world a favor. They also think it is sad but that it sadly has to be done to save the world. This is what they tell themselves and read on ynet.

They (not all) aren’t worried about creating NEW enemies. They have a cultish belief that everyone is already antisemitic and that if they venture too far from the tribe and mingle with gentiles they will eventually be met with hatred, violence, or attempts to convert them. That their only safe space is each other - is fundamental to their belief system. Religion is a system that reinforces itself. Judaism isn’t the only religion to use fear to reinforce insular community.

How to you reconcile this theory with the fact that like 70 percent of Jews marry non-Jews?

Because for many (most?) Jews in America, being Jewish is not a religion but an identity.

I'm aware of that, but the PP claims that Jews are afraid to mingle with gentiles. Clearly they aren't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And the IDF ground operation in Lebanon has begun.

Good. The IDF is doing Lebanon a favor by ridding it of those terrorist losers, Hezbollah.

And this is the heartless attitude that creates lifelong enemies.

Real humans are dying. It’s not to be celebrated if the deaths are Israelis so why would you celebrate when the deaths are from Lebanon?

The Israeli and Israeli American perspective is that Israel is assuming all the risk and genuinely doing the world a favor. They also think it is sad but that it sadly has to be done to save the world. This is what they tell themselves and read on ynet.

They (not all) aren’t worried about creating NEW enemies. They have a cultish belief that everyone is already antisemitic and that if they venture too far from the tribe and mingle with gentiles they will eventually be met with hatred, violence, or attempts to convert them. That their only safe space is each other - is fundamental to their belief system. Religion is a system that reinforces itself. Judaism isn’t the only religion to use fear to reinforce insular community.

How to you reconcile this theory with the fact that like 70 percent of Jews marry non-Jews?

Because for many (most?) Jews in America, being Jewish is not a religion but an identity.

I'm aware of that, but the PP claims that Jews are afraid to mingle with gentiles. Clearly they aren't.

I was talking about a core belief within the religion system that is readily espoused. This tenet warns religious Jewish people that their religious identity will be threatened and it is a betrayal to the Jewish people who came/suffered before if their jewish beliefs fade. If you’re Jewish, this rings true to you, even if you don’t believe it yourself. Ask your proud Zionist friends and/or the ones who went to private jewish schools. I know a number of interfaith jewish couples. Marriage doesn’t mean the issue isn’t there, especially when children and extended family are involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is going to end badly for a lot of people. Dark days ahead for sure. I’m curious to see how the media will handle this. How will the Arab American community handle this? They can and will swing an election outcome in at least one state for sure.

We should just let them fight it out. US should not get involved or support Israel. Germany can support Israel and clean up their own mess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And the IDF ground operation in Lebanon has begun.

Good. The IDF is doing Lebanon a favor by ridding it of those terrorist losers, Hezbollah.

And this is the heartless attitude that creates lifelong enemies.

Real humans are dying. It’s not to be celebrated if the deaths are Israelis so why would you celebrate when the deaths are from Lebanon?

The Israeli and Israeli American perspective is that Israel is assuming all the risk and genuinely doing the world a favor. They also think it is sad but that it sadly has to be done to save the world. This is what they tell themselves and read on ynet.

They (not all) aren’t worried about creating NEW enemies. They have a cultish belief that everyone is already antisemitic and that if they venture too far from the tribe and mingle with gentiles they will eventually be met with hatred, violence, or attempts to convert them. That their only safe space is each other - is fundamental to their belief system. Religion is a system that reinforces itself. Judaism isn’t the only religion to use fear to reinforce insular community.

How to you reconcile this theory with the fact that like 70 percent of Jews marry non-Jews?

Because for many (most?) Jews in America, being Jewish is not a religion but an identity.

I'm aware of that, but the PP claims that Jews are afraid to mingle with gentiles. Clearly they aren't.

I was talking about a core belief within the religion system that is readily espoused. This tenet warns religious Jewish people that their religious identity will be threatened and it is a betrayal to the Jewish people who came/suffered before if their jewish beliefs fade. If you’re Jewish, this rings true to you, even if you don’t believe it yourself. Ask your proud Zionist friends and/or the ones who went to private jewish schools. I know a number of interfaith jewish couples. Marriage doesn’t mean the issue isn’t there, especially when children and extended family are involved.

I AM Jewish (was raised Orthodox and went to private Jewish schools), and I haven't a clue what you're going on about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the IDF ground operation in Lebanon has begun.

Good. The IDF is doing Lebanon a favor by ridding it of those terrorist losers, Hezbollah.

And this is the heartless attitude that creates lifelong enemies.

Real humans are dying. It’s not to be celebrated if the deaths are Israelis so why would you celebrate when the deaths are from Lebanon?

The Israeli and Israeli American perspective is that Israel is assuming all the risk and genuinely doing the world a favor. They also think it is sad but that it sadly has to be done to save the world. This is what they tell themselves and read on ynet.

They (not all) aren’t worried about creating NEW enemies. They have a cultish belief that everyone is already antisemitic and that if they venture too far from the tribe and mingle with gentiles they will eventually be met with hatred, violence, or attempts to convert them. That their only safe space is each other - is fundamental to their belief system. Religion is a system that reinforces itself. Judaism isn’t the only religion to use fear to reinforce insular community.

How to you reconcile this theory with the fact that like 70 percent of Jews marry non-Jews?

Because for many (most?) Jews in America, being Jewish is not a religion but an identity.

A large majority of Palestinians have Jewish ancestry as seen by the stars of David on many graves and facing toward Jerusalem not Mecca.

I think it’s BS when people say it’s not about religion. If the Palestinians were still Jewish, Zionists would not have kicked them out or killed them. If Zionists were Muslims from Europe, they would’ve been welcomed.

It has all to do with religion, not identity. Nobody can even identify a Jew or a Palestinian if they didn’t have religious garb. You would struggle to tell who is who

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How is the moderator allowing so many posts with sentences that start with “the Jews” ?

Tells us everything we need to know about the protesters, doesn't it?

Moderator doesn't read most posts--relies on user reports to delete.

The pro-Palestinian, pro-Hezbollah posters have been so vile that he literally can't keep up.

And that’s exactly what the vile, radical, extremist Zionists do. They obsessively monitor this board and try to get the discussion to end because they would love nothing more than the status quo to persist. Then, they only report posts that cut to the heart of the matter and threaten to educate others regarding the actual facts, the factual history, and the actual atrocities committed by Israel, which they feverishly support.

[Anonymous]

You could put a yarmulke and suit on Hassan Nasrallah and nobody would bat an eye in Israel. These are certainly not people fighting over identity.

It’s almost all about religion: Zionism vs Islamism with Christianity kinda in the margins but more aligned with secular Arab/pro Western govt something again ironically a threat to Israel AND Islamic extremists.

Politics makes for strange bedfellows kids and Hamas and Mossad do not hate each other despite what the rank and file Palestinian and Israeli are fooled to believe

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is the moderator allowing so many posts with sentences that start with “the Jews” ?

Tells us everything we need to know about the protesters, doesn't it?

Moderator doesn't read most posts--relies on user reports to delete.

The pro-Palestinian, pro-Hezbollah posters have been so vile that he literally can't keep up.

And that’s exactly what the vile, radical, extremist Zionists do. They obsessively monitor this board and try to get the discussion to end because they would love nothing more than the status quo to persist. Then, they only report posts that cut to the heart of the matter and threaten to educate others regarding the actual facts, the factual history, and the actual atrocities committed by Israel, which they feverishly support.

I'm sorry...are you under the impression that comments written on an anonymous internet forum have some bearing on what is happening or will happen in the Middle East?

[Anonymous]

Is Israel is winning people demand ceasefire.
If Israel is losing people declare it a tragedy that Israel had coming and demand Israel surrender.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the IDF ground operation in Lebanon has begun.

Good. The IDF is doing Lebanon a favor by ridding it of those terrorist losers, Hezbollah.

And this is the heartless attitude that creates lifelong enemies.

Real humans are dying. It’s not to be celebrated if the deaths are Israelis so why would you celebrate when the deaths are from Lebanon?

The Israeli and Israeli American perspective is that Israel is assuming all the risk and genuinely doing the world a favor. They also think it is sad but that it sadly has to be done to save the world. This is what they tell themselves and read on ynet.

A lot of Israeli Americans are reading quite the opposite on Haaretz and 972, and this attitude is the reason they live in America now instead of in Israel.

If you talk to Israelis or people with an Israeli connection in America, they were in absolute disbelief in the beginning that Israel shut off water to Gaza, blew up hospitals and sources of food production, stopped medical and food aid, that snipers are targeting children. They put Israel on a pedestal. they didn’t know Palestinians or the swaths of people in dc who have worked in Gaza or the west bank over the past several decades. They had no clue about the evil happening across the wall and in Israel towards Arabs. Blissful, willful ignorance. And yet, they were on the front lines of rights for refugees and asylum workers, lgbtq, any marginalized group really. I don’t see anyone trying to dismantle the Israeli propaganda machine now that they may know better because doing so would threaten Israel. And they will tell you, however sad they are for the orphaned, limbless kiddies in Gaza, that to criticize Israel is antisemitic.

This has not been anything like my experience talking to Israelis or people with an Israeli connection during this war, many of whom are angry and despondent over what the Israeli government has been doing.

I wrote ‘in the beginning’. I think anyone who is not despondent at this point wouldn’t be saying so out loud, to a non Jewish person, at least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the IDF ground operation in Lebanon has begun.

Good. The IDF is doing Lebanon a favor by ridding it of those terrorist losers, Hezbollah.

And this is the heartless attitude that creates lifelong enemies.

Real humans are dying. It’s not to be celebrated if the deaths are Israelis so why would you celebrate when the deaths are from Lebanon?

The Israeli and Israeli American perspective is that Israel is assuming all the risk and genuinely doing the world a favor. They also think it is sad but that it sadly has to be done to save the world. This is what they tell themselves and read on ynet.

A lot of Israeli Americans are reading quite the opposite on Haaretz and 972, and this attitude is the reason they live in America now instead of in Israel.

If you talk to Israelis or people with an Israeli connection in America, they were in absolute disbelief in the beginning that Israel shut off water to Gaza, blew up hospitals and sources of food production, stopped medical and food aid, that snipers are targeting children. They put Israel on a pedestal. they didn’t know Palestinians or the swaths of people in dc who have worked in Gaza or the west bank over the past several decades. They had no clue about the evil happening across the wall and in Israel towards Arabs. Blissful, willful ignorance. And yet, they were on the front lines of rights for refugees and asylum workers, lgbtq, any marginalized group really. I don’t see anyone trying to dismantle the Israeli propaganda machine now that they may know better because doing so would threaten Israel. And they will tell you, however sad they are for the orphaned, limbless kiddies in Gaza, that to criticize Israel is antisemitic.

This has not been anything like my experience talking to Israelis or people with an Israeli connection during this war, many of whom are angry and despondent over what the Israeli government has been doing.

I wrote ‘in the beginning’. I think anyone who is not despondent at this point wouldn’t be saying so out loud, to a non Jewish person, at least.

Plenty of non-Jews support Israel, even now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the IDF ground operation in Lebanon has begun.

Good. The IDF is doing Lebanon a favor by ridding it of those terrorist losers, Hezbollah.

And this is the heartless attitude that creates lifelong enemies.

Real humans are dying. It’s not to be celebrated if the deaths are Israelis so why would you celebrate when the deaths are from Lebanon?

The Israeli and Israeli American perspective is that Israel is assuming all the risk and genuinely doing the world a favor. They also think it is sad but that it sadly has to be done to save the world. This is what they tell themselves and read on ynet.

They (not all) aren’t worried about creating NEW enemies. They have a cultish belief that everyone is already antisemitic and that if they venture too far from the tribe and mingle with gentiles they will eventually be met with hatred, violence, or attempts to convert them. That their only safe space is each other - is fundamental to their belief system. Religion is a system that reinforces itself. Judaism isn’t the only religion to use fear to reinforce insular community.

How to you reconcile this theory with the fact that like 70 percent of Jews marry non-Jews?

Because for many (most?) Jews in America, being Jewish is not a religion but an identity.

I'm aware of that, but the PP claims that Jews are afraid to mingle with gentiles. Clearly they aren't.

I was talking about a core belief within the religion system that is readily espoused. This tenet warns religious Jewish people that their religious identity will be threatened and it is a betrayal to the Jewish people who came/suffered before if their jewish beliefs fade. If you’re Jewish, this rings true to you, even if you don’t believe it yourself. Ask your proud Zionist friends and/or the ones who went to private jewish schools. I know a number of interfaith jewish couples. Marriage doesn’t mean the issue isn’t there, especially when children and extended family are involved.

I AM Jewish (was raised Orthodox and went to private Jewish schools), and I haven't a clue what you're going on about.

How can you not have a clue? the justification for Zionism and Israel is protection against perceived ever-present threats against Jews.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the IDF ground operation in Lebanon has begun.

Good. The IDF is doing Lebanon a favor by ridding it of those terrorist losers, Hezbollah.

And this is the heartless attitude that creates lifelong enemies.

Real humans are dying. It’s not to be celebrated if the deaths are Israelis so why would you celebrate when the deaths are from Lebanon?

The Israeli and Israeli American perspective is that Israel is assuming all the risk and genuinely doing the world a favor. They also think it is sad but that it sadly has to be done to save the world. This is what they tell themselves and read on ynet.

A lot of Israeli Americans are reading quite the opposite on Haaretz and 972, and this attitude is the reason they live in America now instead of in Israel.

If you talk to Israelis or people with an Israeli connection in America, they were in absolute disbelief in the beginning that Israel shut off water to Gaza, blew up hospitals and sources of food production, stopped medical and food aid, that snipers are targeting children. They put Israel on a pedestal. they didn’t know Palestinians or the swaths of people in dc who have worked in Gaza or the west bank over the past several decades. They had no clue about the evil happening across the wall and in Israel towards Arabs. Blissful, willful ignorance. And yet, they were on the front lines of rights for refugees and asylum workers, lgbtq, any marginalized group really. I don’t see anyone trying to dismantle the Israeli propaganda machine now that they may know better because doing so would threaten Israel. And they will tell you, however sad they are for the orphaned, limbless kiddies in Gaza, that to criticize Israel is antisemitic.

This has not been anything like my experience talking to Israelis or people with an Israeli connection during this war, many of whom are angry and despondent over what the Israeli government has been doing.

I wrote ‘in the beginning’. I think anyone who is not despondent at this point wouldn’t be saying so out loud, to a non Jewish person, at least.

Plenty of non-Jews support Israel, even now.

You can support Israel and be despondent. Anyone who isn’t saddened beyond belief by war is cold hearted and directly profiting off of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is Israel is winning people demand ceasefire.
If Israel is losing people declare it a tragedy that Israel had coming and demand Israel surrender.

What are you winning? You’re shooting starving people in a fish bowl, and you want cheers?