To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

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Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.


Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.


My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.


Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.


If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?


What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.


The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.


Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.


But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

It will be one or the other only if Trump and Biden are the actual nominees because they are dependent upon each other being the nominees to have any chance of winning. Replace Biden with a normal candidate and the normal candidate crushes Trump. Replace Trump with a normal candidate and the normal candidate crushes Biden. If Trump and Biden both remain in the race and do become the nominees, which is more likely than not, it's a 50/50 toss up between the two and the end result is we all lose with a less than fit for office president.


That isnt the calculus though.

Trump will be the nominee unless he has had one too many burgers. He won't be in jail yet.
Biden will be the nominee unless he meets an untimely passing.

Those are your choices.

Third party vote benefits Trump.

So either vote for Biden or don't. Those are your options. Period.


Among other obvious errors, you’ve missed that either man could be dead in the next year.

The people hectoring angry voters have the weakest understanding of elections. It’s like you don’t get politics and coalitions at all. Your guy made some very bad choices, blame him, not the people he has hurt.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

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Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.


Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.


My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.


Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.


If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?


What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.


The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.


Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.


But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.


You don’t understand the electoral college.


+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.


Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

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Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.


Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.


My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.


Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.


If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?


What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.


The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.


Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.


But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.


You don’t understand the electoral college.


+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.


Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.


You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

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Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.


Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.


My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.


Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.


If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?


What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.


The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.


Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.


But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.


You don’t understand the electoral college.


+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.


Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.


You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

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Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.


Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.


My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.


Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.


If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?


What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.


The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.


Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.


But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.


You don’t understand the electoral college.


+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.


Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.


You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

The reasoning here is indeed flawed. It's too early to tell who would be helped and hurt by 3rd party votes that could have gone one way another. Let's hope the 2024 election doesn't come down to a Trump vs Biden rematch and if it inevitably does, we can then focus on who is the lesser of two evils and vote accordingly. The notion that we should be 100% on board with and committed to an unpopular and potentially unfit candidate 11 months out from the election is absurd.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

+1
Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.


Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.


My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.


Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.


If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?


What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.


The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.


Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.


But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.


You don’t understand the electoral college.


+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.


Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.


You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.



Good lord, the stupid runs deep here

Like it or not, we live in a binary system with the weirdness of the electoral college.

I too think a parliamentary system would be better.

But that's not what we have, idiot.

Seen it before. People like you. Your dumbass votes for "Green" candidates like Ralph Nader led to millions of Muslim deaths in Iraq. No action on climate change. Massive tax cuts for the rich and blowing up the deficit.

To hell with "progressives." I've seen the damage you do.

Go ahead and vote third party. And F^%K all of you.

Idiots
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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

+1
Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.


Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.


My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.


Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.


If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?


What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.


The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.


Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.


But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.


You don’t understand the electoral college.


+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.


Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.


Nothing flawed about it. If you are unable to differentiate between trump and Biden then go ahead and throw away your vote.

If you have the capacity to actually choose one or the other as more advantageous to your family and you give your vote away to someone else, you are removing your vote from the tally of your preference.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

+1
Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.


Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.


My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.


Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.


If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?


What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.


The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.


Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.


But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.


You don’t understand the electoral college.


+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.


Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.


You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.



Good lord, the stupid runs deep here

Like it or not, we live in a binary system with the weirdness of the electoral college.

I too think a parliamentary system would be better.

But that's not what we have, idiot.

Seen it before. People like you. Your dumbass votes for "Green" candidates like Ralph Nader led to millions of Muslim deaths in Iraq. No action on climate change. Massive tax cuts for the rich and blowing up the deficit.

To hell with "progressives." I've seen the damage you do.

Go ahead and vote third party. And F^%K all of you.

Idiots

The "idiot" in this case is the person who can't comprehend why people who don't want Trump or Biden to serve another term will wait until the day they actually become the nominees before committing to either of them as the lesser of two evils. If we were talking about a Lincoln vs FDR match-up, we could pick a side now and be content with it. This is Trump vs Biden. Few people are going to be excited to jump on either bandwagon until they absolutely have to.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

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Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.


Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.


My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.


Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.


If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?


What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.


The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.


Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.


But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.


You don’t understand the electoral college.


+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.


Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.


You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.



Good lord, the stupid runs deep here

Like it or not, we live in a binary system with the weirdness of the electoral college.

I too think a parliamentary system would be better.

But that's not what we have, idiot.

Seen it before. People like you. Your dumbass votes for "Green" candidates like Ralph Nader led to millions of Muslim deaths in Iraq. No action on climate change. Massive tax cuts for the rich and blowing up the deficit.

To hell with "progressives." I've seen the damage you do.

Go ahead and vote third party. And F^%K all of you.

Idiots

The "idiot" in this case is the person who can't comprehend why people who don't want Trump or Biden to serve another term will wait until the day they actually become the nominees before committing to either of them as the lesser of two evils. If we were talking about a Lincoln vs FDR match-up, we could pick a side now and be content with it. This is Trump vs Biden. Few people are going to be excited to jump on either bandwagon until they absolutely have to.


No, we get it, not all of us who are supporting Biden love the options.

But barring death, it will be those two, and given the options, most people will support Biden. I am not sure why this is hard to understand. Most people don't want to live in a Christian Fascist state, which is what the GOP is promising. I, for one, take their word for it.
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so this is what we can expect from another Trump Administration



(oh and MSNBC is a cable channel; doesn't use "airwaves" and isn't subject to the FCC, same as Fox)
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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

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Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.


Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.


My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.


Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.


If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?


What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.


The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.


Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.


But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.


You don’t understand the electoral college.


+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.


Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.


You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.



Good lord, the stupid runs deep here

Like it or not, we live in a binary system with the weirdness of the electoral college.

I too think a parliamentary system would be better.

But that's not what we have, idiot.

Seen it before. People like you. Your dumbass votes for "Green" candidates like Ralph Nader led to millions of Muslim deaths in Iraq. No action on climate change. Massive tax cuts for the rich and blowing up the deficit.

To hell with "progressives." I've seen the damage you do.

Go ahead and vote third party. And F^%K all of you.

Idiots

It could be stupid or it could be more Republicans just stirring the pot. They’ve been the ones to benefit from third party shenanigans so much that they keep funding them, as they are with all the third party challengers this time.

Smart and sane people like you and I will keep saying the truth: it’s a binary choice. It is forward with Biden or it is the end of America with Trump. That’s the choice.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

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Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.


Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.


My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.


Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.


If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?


What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.


The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.


Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.


But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.


You don’t understand the electoral college.


+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.


Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.


You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.



Good lord, the stupid runs deep here

Like it or not, we live in a binary system with the weirdness of the electoral college.

I too think a parliamentary system would be better.

But that's not what we have, idiot.

Seen it before. People like you. Your dumbass votes for "Green" candidates like Ralph Nader led to millions of Muslim deaths in Iraq. No action on climate change. Massive tax cuts for the rich and blowing up the deficit.

To hell with "progressives." I've seen the damage you do.

Go ahead and vote third party. And F^%K all of you.

Idiots

It could be stupid or it could be more Republicans just stirring the pot. They’ve been the ones to benefit from third party shenanigans so much that they keep funding them, as they are with all the third party challengers this time.

Smart and sane people like you and I will keep saying the truth: it’s a binary choice. It is forward with Biden or it is the end of America with Trump. That’s the choice.

If the Dem party nominates Biden, Trump has a good chance of winning the 2024 election. If Biden exits the race, someone with a much, much better chance of beating Trump will inevitably be the nominee. If you truly see Trump as the end of America, your hope is that Biden decides to back out of his pursuit for a second term. If he doesn't back out and becomes the nominee, then yes, unwavering support for Biden makes sense at that point.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

+1
Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.


Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.


My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.


Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.


If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?


What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.


The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.


Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.


But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.


You don’t understand the electoral college.


+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.


Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.


You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.



Good lord, the stupid runs deep here

Like it or not, we live in a binary system with the weirdness of the electoral college.

I too think a parliamentary system would be better.

But that's not what we have, idiot.

Seen it before. People like you. Your dumbass votes for "Green" candidates like Ralph Nader led to millions of Muslim deaths in Iraq. No action on climate change. Massive tax cuts for the rich and blowing up the deficit.

To hell with "progressives." I've seen the damage you do.

Go ahead and vote third party. And F^%K all of you.

Idiots

It could be stupid or it could be more Republicans just stirring the pot. They’ve been the ones to benefit from third party shenanigans so much that they keep funding them, as they are with all the third party challengers this time.

Smart and sane people like you and I will keep saying the truth: it’s a binary choice. It is forward with Biden or it is the end of America with Trump. That’s the choice.

If the Dem party nominates Biden, Trump has a good chance of winning the 2024 election. If Biden exits the race, someone with a much, much better chance of beating Trump will inevitably be the nominee. If you truly see Trump as the end of America, your hope is that Biden decides to back out of his pursuit for a second term. If he doesn't back out and becomes the nominee, then yes, unwavering support for Biden makes sense at that point.

You can keep saying that, but it’s no truer now that the first thirty times you wrote it.

One way the media obligingly helps out the GOP is by tearing down whoever the Democrat is. It doesn’t matter if it’s Biden, Clinton, Obama or literally anyone else, if they’re the nominee, they’re attacked by the media. Clinton had insanely high likability scores and trust etc. but when she became the nominee, the conservative corporate media ran with butteremails and spirit cooking and pizzagate.

And then we come to the triple facts that are massive waggling monsters for the GOP: 1) Trump is as old as Biden and a thousand times less healthy 2) Biden already beat Trump and that was when Trump was 91 indictments lighter and three years earlier in his dementia journey and 3) ROE IS GONE and the GOP is promising a national ban.

They have to push the third party line like you’re doing because they’re going to lose.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

+1
Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.


Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.


My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.


Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.


If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?


What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.


The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.


Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.


But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.


You don’t understand the electoral college.


+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.


Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.


You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.



Good lord, the stupid runs deep here

Like it or not, we live in a binary system with the weirdness of the electoral college.

I too think a parliamentary system would be better.

But that's not what we have, idiot.

Seen it before. People like you. Your dumbass votes for "Green" candidates like Ralph Nader led to millions of Muslim deaths in Iraq. No action on climate change. Massive tax cuts for the rich and blowing up the deficit.

To hell with "progressives." I've seen the damage you do.

Go ahead and vote third party. And F^%K all of you.

Idiots

It could be stupid or it could be more Republicans just stirring the pot. They’ve been the ones to benefit from third party shenanigans so much that they keep funding them, as they are with all the third party challengers this time.

Smart and sane people like you and I will keep saying the truth: it’s a binary choice. It is forward with Biden or it is the end of America with Trump. That’s the choice.

If the Dem party nominates Biden, Trump has a good chance of winning the 2024 election. If Biden exits the race, someone with a much, much better chance of beating Trump will inevitably be the nominee. If you truly see Trump as the end of America, your hope is that Biden decides to back out of his pursuit for a second term. If he doesn't back out and becomes the nominee, then yes, unwavering support for Biden makes sense at that point.


It is too late to nominate anyone else. The ballot deadlines have passed in numerous states. Another half dozen have their deadlines in the next two weeks. Biden is it.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

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Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.


Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.


My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.


Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.


If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?


What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.


The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.


Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.


But it will be one or the other. And a third party vote benefits Trump, so...

You need help with math. A third party vote is a big fat goose egg for the two main parties.


You don’t understand the electoral college.


+1. Everytime you ask these third party fools to clearly explain exactly what is the electoral college path for this third party candidate they are completely unable to do so.

Comments like yours only serve to further entrench my friends and me in our decisions to support a third party candidate that reflects our values.
Here’s a clue, try to influence your candidate’s platform so they’re more appealing to people you want support from. Original, huh?
Also, don’t insult the voters. It just hurts your cause.


Reflects your values of having trump win, we get it.

How many electoral college votes are need to win? Just list the states, the number of votes and the candidate until you reach that number so we can all see what is exciting you and your friends. Should be easy.

A vote for neither Trump nor Biden does not move either of those candidates up or down relative to each other. Even in an electoral system where individual votes are tabulated at the state level in order to award the electoral votes. Your reasoning is exceptionally flawed.


You are going to feel great when Trump wins a state that tips the balance to him by fewer than 1,000 votes because 2,500 people voted third party instead.

Again, neither Trump nor Biden were awarded any of those 2500 votes so it doesn’t matter when compared relative to each other’s totals. Why do you assume that the third party votes (or voters who are sitting out because they find both Trump and Biden equally unsatisfactory) would otherwise be Biden’s? That’s an incredibly flawed assumption.



Good lord, the stupid runs deep here

Like it or not, we live in a binary system with the weirdness of the electoral college.

I too think a parliamentary system would be better.

But that's not what we have, idiot.

Seen it before. People like you. Your dumbass votes for "Green" candidates like Ralph Nader led to millions of Muslim deaths in Iraq. No action on climate change. Massive tax cuts for the rich and blowing up the deficit.

To hell with "progressives." I've seen the damage you do.

Go ahead and vote third party. And F^%K all of you.

Idiots

It could be stupid or it could be more Republicans just stirring the pot. They’ve been the ones to benefit from third party shenanigans so much that they keep funding them, as they are with all the third party challengers this time.

Smart and sane people like you and I will keep saying the truth: it’s a binary choice. It is forward with Biden or it is the end of America with Trump. That’s the choice.

If the Dem party nominates Biden, Trump has a good chance of winning the 2024 election. If Biden exits the race, someone with a much, much better chance of beating Trump will inevitably be the nominee. If you truly see Trump as the end of America, your hope is that Biden decides to back out of his pursuit for a second term. If he doesn't back out and becomes the nominee, then yes, unwavering support for Biden makes sense at that point.


It is too late to nominate anyone else. The ballot deadlines have passed in numerous states. Another half dozen have their deadlines in the next two weeks. Biden is it.


Well we should start practicing bowing to overlord Trump because Biden will not win. This is turning in to a RBG thing. Biden was so stupid with his unconditional support of Israel. That sh#tshow will be much much worst by next November.
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