FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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It sounds like nobody really wants the boundaries majorly adjusted.


Why don't they just fix the overcrowded schools?

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Anonymous wrote:I fail to see how moving Forestville kids will improve Herndon High School. Higher IQs, higher GPAs, higher incomes will not suddenly make the current Herndon students any better. Will the average test scorew go up? Probably, but that does not help my kids.

I do however think it is ridiculous that homes that are undeniably MUCH closer to Herndon, are zoned for Langley. If you paid more for your house, wirh a Herndon address and assumed your home would be zoned for Langley for eternity, I am sorry for you. .

It made sense when they changed the boundaries thirty years ago.

A new look might mean those houses go back.

I'm curious, how did it make sense (Herndon addresses going to langley) ? Did HHS not exist?

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Anonymous wrote:Its interesting that of all the many many neighborhoods in the county. By far the angriest and loudest are the Herndon area parents zoned to Langley.

Herndon HS is fine. Its mid as far as FCPS schools go. Not the best, not the worst.

When someone has had the "best" school for their kids--and Langley is the richest school--equality with what everyone else is getting --feels like injustice.

Ah, there you are. As if we didn't already know what your agenda is. Mediocrity for ALL! "Equity"! I'm so glad my kids are almost done with FCPS.
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The funny thing is, HHS kids in the same SES as Langley kids score as well as them. It is in Langley’s interests to not parse and promote the data because it would show that their school actually isn’t special.

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Anonymous wrote:Its interesting that of all the many many neighborhoods in the county. By far the angriest and loudest are the Herndon area parents zoned to Langley.

Herndon HS is fine. Its mid as far as FCPS schools go. Not the best, not the worst.

When someone has had the "best" school for their kids--and Langley is the richest school--equality with what everyone else is getting --feels like injustice.

Ah, there you are. As if we didn't already know what your agenda is. Mediocrity for ALL! "Equity"! I'm so glad my kids are almost done with FCPS.
DP

The funny thing is, HHS kids in the same SES as Langley kids score as well as them. It is in Langley’s interests to not parse and promote the data because it would show that their school actually isn’t special.

I thought you didn’t want us to join your school? You said “screw you” To the Forestville families. Make up your mind.

I don’t give two hoots about your kids scores, just not interested in your situation, despite you being all up in others’ business.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like nobody really wants the boundaries majorly adjusted.


Why don't they just fix the overcrowded schools?

No! It was ridiculous to expand schools. And we know why they did that. If they leave the boundaries, not one more cent better be spent on expanding any more schools. Not one cent! Work on paying teachers better, using proven methods to teach students both native English speakers and English learners, helping kids with special needs, acknowledging vocations as equal to other professions (eg, mainstream shop classes), bring back differentiation, etc.

FCPS has enough seats. Patch up the holes and fixed the lights but don’t waste anymore on expansions. The HS schools are too frickin’ big as is.

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Anonymous wrote:Its interesting that of all the many many neighborhoods in the county. By far the angriest and loudest are the Herndon area parents zoned to Langley.

Herndon HS is fine. Its mid as far as FCPS schools go. Not the best, not the worst.

When someone has had the "best" school for their kids--and Langley is the richest school--equality with what everyone else is getting --feels like injustice.

Ah, there you are. As if we didn't already know what your agenda is. Mediocrity for ALL! "Equity"! I'm so glad my kids are almost done with FCPS.
DP

The funny thing is, HHS kids in the same SES as Langley kids score as well as them. It is in Langley’s interests to not parse and promote the data because it would show that their school actually isn’t special.

I thought you didn’t want us to join your school? You said “screw you” To the Forestville families. Make up your mind.

I don’t give two hoots about your kids scores, just not interested in your situation, despite you being all up in others’ business.

Nothing I said changes anything about not wanting the F@!ville kids. However I am calling out those families who think their kids are special. THEY ARE NOT.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like nobody really wants the boundaries majorly adjusted.


Why don't they just fix the overcrowded schools?

No! It was ridiculous to expand schools. And we know why they did that. If they leave the boundaries, not one more cent better be spent on expanding any more schools. Not one cent! Work on paying teachers better, using proven methods to teach students both native English speakers and English learners, helping kids with special needs, acknowledging vocations as equal to other professions (eg, mainstream shop classes), bring back differentiation, etc.

FCPS has enough seats. Patch up the holes and fixed the lights but don’t waste anymore on expansions. The HS schools are too frickin’ big as is.

Grumble grumble grumble, not one cent! Grumble grumble.

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Anonymous wrote:Its interesting that of all the many many neighborhoods in the county. By far the angriest and loudest are the Herndon area parents zoned to Langley.

Herndon HS is fine. Its mid as far as FCPS schools go. Not the best, not the worst.

When someone has had the "best" school for their kids--and Langley is the richest school--equality with what everyone else is getting --feels like injustice.

Ah, there you are. As if we didn't already know what your agenda is. Mediocrity for ALL! "Equity"! I'm so glad my kids are almost done with FCPS.
DP

The funny thing is, HHS kids in the same SES as Langley kids score as well as them. It is in Langley’s interests to not parse and promote the data because it would show that their school actually isn’t special.

I thought you didn’t want us to join your school? You said “screw you” To the Forestville families. Make up your mind.

I don’t give two hoots about your kids scores, just not interested in your situation, despite you being all up in others’ business.

Nothing I said changes anything about not wanting the F@!ville kids. However I am calling out those families who think their kids are special. THEY ARE NOT.

Hate is an ugly look.

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Anonymous wrote:They’d keep a certain group of people happy if they moved Chantilly kids to Westfield, and then Westfield to Herndon.

I see this happening before they touch Langley.

Chantilly parents will throw a fit over being moved to Westfield, generally seen as an inferior school.

Chantilly parents don't mind sending their kids to an overcrowded school. They love their school!!

Forestville loves our community schools too, so what’s your point. People pushing for boundary changes don’t care about these students.

The people pushing for boundary changes are very intent on moving other people's kids around. They don't seem to grasp that perhaps it will be *their* kids who are moved to different schools. It's interesting observing this obsessive behavior.

The one poster who most regularly displays this behavior appears to be a Forestville parent.

Oh, please. We can all read. It's clear the arrogant posters who think they have the right to move other people's kids don't even have kids in the Langley pyramid. OTC, they're twisting themselves into pretzels to justify moving kids who aren't even theirs. It's pretty jaw-dropping.

I’ve been reading the thread and what’s jaw-dropping are the Langley posters who won’t shut up about where they think kids in other pyramids should go. It’s a combination of trying to get other people as agitated as you all apparently are and trying to arrange the deck chairs so that other people’s kids are moved instead. Either way, it’s tiresome and obnoxious.

Not that you are judge or jury, but very convenient that you ignore the other poster pushing to move kids in the name of soaking a zip code.

I’m sure you have no agenda 🙄

We’ll see where the SB lands on this, but it’ll be very fascinating to see the proponents go ballistic when they realize the culmination of these efforts. Don’t say that you weren’t warned.

I am judging you, because you put the evidence out there every day to assess.

My assumption is that, if they do change the boundaries in western Fairfax, part of 22066 might get moved and the rest would stay put.

Personally, I’d rather they put a hold on this boundary study now since enrollments are flat and there are other factors at play (demographic and political) that could lead to further enrollment declines over the coming years. But they seem intent on moving forward and, if they do, my only “agenda” with respect to Langley is that it be treated fairly - which means neither catered to nor discriminated against.

But one thing you need to keep in mind is that their approach is not the approach of the last 15 years, where they looked at whether a school was overcrowded and, if so, whether there was a higher rated school to which kids could be moved. Now they are looking at other factors, such as whether a school is under capacity and whether they can reduce the amount of time kids spend on buses. The old paradigm - which might have excluded Langley from consideration for any boundary changes - no longer applies.

Wrt your third paragraph, I agree. But treating Langley the same as others also means not wanting to “screw” them because of their zip code. Certain people on here seem to think Forestville families are the enemy, like literally the enemy. The irony is that I have always been a huge proponent of public schools until now. Equity and the related boundary nonsense has pushed me into the other camp.

There was a NY Times article a couple of days ago discussing the rightward momentum in northern Virginia this election. Most of the quotes discussed how that is alarming for the Dems, but the Fairfax county dem executive director stated that he believes that voters still support the dems. Time will tell whether he’s whistling past the graveyard or not. I personally think the party is going to hemorrhage support, with nothing to show for it except appeasing Sandy Anderson and her disciples in their quest to get at certain schools.

That guy comes off as way too online in a memes as politics kind of way. Not sure he really has a good sense of what the county is like.

DP. Frankly, that sounds like most Democrats. DCUM is a prime example.

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Anonymous wrote:Google maps drive time takes into account stoplights.

Forestville ES for instance is a much shorter drive to HHS than Langley by any measure.

What school do your kids attend?

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Anonymous wrote:Google maps drive time takes into account stoplights.

Forestville ES for instance is a much shorter drive to HHS than Langley by any measure.

From where I am, it’s currently 13min to hhs vs 21min to Langley. I get that we’re mid day, but the Langley hater wants to believe it is hours to Langley and seconds to Herndon high. Simply not the case.

By the way, currently 18 to cooper and 17 to HMS.

So that’s google maps for you 🤓

That's a substantial time difference.

The time difference between the high schools also matters more because it’s 4 years and kids are more likely to have after-school activities that run late.

What difference would the late activities have on transportation costs?

It impacts the environment more if all these Great Falls drivers are on the road for longer periods and kids also have less down time.

Aww, that's so sweet that you're concerned about the downtime of other people's kids. Where do yours go to school?
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Anonymous wrote:Google maps drive time takes into account stoplights.

Forestville ES for instance is a much shorter drive to HHS than Langley by any measure.

From where I am, it’s currently 13min to hhs vs 21min to Langley. I get that we’re mid day, but the Langley hater wants to believe it is hours to Langley and seconds to Herndon high. Simply not the case.

By the way, currently 18 to cooper and 17 to HMS.

So that’s google maps for you 🤓

That's a substantial time difference.

The time difference between the high schools also matters more because it’s 4 years and kids are more likely to have after-school activities that run late.

What difference would the late activities have on transportation costs?

It impacts the environment more if all these Great Falls drivers are on the road for longer periods and kids also have less down time.

Your scenarios are getting more contrived as you go.

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It really is funny, watching the scenarios get more and more outlandish in a desperate attempt to stick it to certain families. Now the concern troll is worried about how much down time other people's kids will have.

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Anonymous wrote:Google maps drive time takes into account stoplights.

Forestville ES for instance is a much shorter drive to HHS than Langley by any measure.

From where I am, it’s currently 13min to hhs vs 21min to Langley. I get that we’re mid day, but the Langley hater wants to believe it is hours to Langley and seconds to Herndon high. Simply not the case.

By the way, currently 18 to cooper and 17 to HMS.

So that’s google maps for you 🤓

That's a substantial time difference.

What is 8 minutes or 1 minute? Which one is an insurmountable cost to the county? Because if you are able to take one bus off the road for that amount of time (8 min times two times 180), charitably you are looking at $1,200 of driver cost for the entire school year for that bus.

That’s why, at the end of the day, the savings would be laughable. Again, it’s pretext for equity. Very transparent.

Even if it means different things to different people, “equity” is not a dirty word to most people in the county the way it seems to be to Forestville parents. You hurt your cause when you always use it pejoratively, as the opposite of equity is “inequity,” and people then assume that’s what Langley represents.

DP. Now let's hear you lecture the WS parents about "equity" and why they should be thrilled to send their kids to Lewis. Your absolute fixation with Langley is noted, and then some.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the Chantilly / Centreville HS overcrowding could be alleviated by making them 10-12 and some western middle schools 7-9. That might help people avoid big, bad Herndon.

Thats a logistical non starter. 9th grade is high school.

9th grade is HS for magical reasons. It does not have to stay that way. In Fact some districts have had to change it for logistical reasons, sometimes temporarily. We have over capacity issues. We need solutions if the “haves” in certain districts won’t commingle with the “have nots.” I swear, we have a lot Sneetches around here. Many districts “have always” had 9th grade as part of HS. If we use that kind of logic, then maybe we should go back to grandpa’s generation when you were considered an adult at 16 and HS graduation was not a requirement.

Boundary changes don’t have to be entirely geographical. Especially since the priority on this site is property values not education. 7-9 grade schools could be a legit solution and is worth exploring.

Please just stop. You are talking nonsense that no one agrees with.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the Chantilly / Centreville HS overcrowding could be alleviated by making them 10-12 and some western middle schools 7-9. That might help people avoid big, bad Herndon.

Thats a logistical non starter. 9th grade is high school.

9th grade is HS for magical reasons. It does not have to stay that way. In Fact some districts have had to change it for logistical reasons, sometimes temporarily. We have over capacity issues. We need solutions if the “haves” in certain districts won’t commingle with the “have nots.” I swear, we have a lot Sneetches around here. Many districts “have always” had 9th grade as part of HS. If we use that kind of logic, then maybe we should go back to grandpa’s generation when you were considered an adult at 16 and HS graduation was not a requirement.

Boundary changes don’t have to be entirely geographical. Especially since the priority on this site is property values not education. 7-9 grade schools could be a legit solution and is worth exploring.

Not in the realm of possibility. They are struggling enough already with the existing 6-8 vs 7-8 MS divide.

Meh. Our HSs were 6-9 for many years in the 90s.

Riiiiiight. Where was this? Certainly not in FCPS.
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