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Anonymous wrote:Maga is in panic

Full blown. It's all trans in bathrooms and George Floyd/riots! That's all they got. Wait until they start hearing him speak! This is going to be delicious.

The riots and overall breakdown of law and order in our cities is where the Democrats are most vulnerable. Expect to hear about Kamala’s San Francisco and Tim’s Minneapolis nonstop for the next three months.

Did January 6th not happen? I don't understand how GOP are so concerned about some riots and not others. It's weird.

Bingo

All riots should be equally disdained regardless of the issue behind it because more often than not it's some nut job extremist thugs who don't actually care about the issue behind it....but as such should also be equally prosecuted and equally thought of as wrong regardless of the issue. It's never ok to destroy property regardless of the issue or topic period.

I agree. I read an article about The riots in MN and poor reaction time. Walz was very honest about it all and how it was not handled well. Now contrast that with Trump who still thinks January 6th was a good thing.

True - but I also know many Dems who think the BLM riots were a good thing too.

Dems supported the peaceful protests and criticized where the looting and property damage took place.

Well I'll rephrase,"I have personally spoken to more than one Dem who feels the looting and property damage was justified". But we are going off-topic now. Back to Tim Walz....honestly...I don't care how he reacted to the BLM riots because it was an extremely difficult time. I also don't care about anything he did or didn't do 20 yrs ago. I do care about his political views and social ideology which are too progressive for my taste. Not saying it's going to make me vote for Trump but I am now strongly considering staying home...and this is coming from someone who was pushing their DD to go out and vote because of the importance of voting - DD doesn't care to vote this year either. I can see her point of view.

What ideology do you find too progressive?

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Education: In favor of reduced/free college education for the trades -- in fact...take some of the illegal immigrants who have been here for over 10-15+ yrs (because realistically you can't deport them all) and educate them in the trades. Fix our education system and stop focusing on stupid issues that don't belong in schools. Teach tolerance and respect as a two-way street. Note: I actually like how Walz has approached education in MN -- except for teaching gender ideology in schools. Many parents voice their concerns: https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/minnesota-parents-clash-over-teachers-discussing-gender-identity-with-students-stay-in-your-lane-osseo-area-schools-isd-279-lgbtqia-history-and-culture-resolution-lgbt-transgender and […]

You cite a ton of right wing talking points and misrepresentations (no one takes you seriously when your argument is a strawman), but I think you should have read the article you posted before spouting off about “teaching gender ideology” and from a “news” outlet in Austin, TX owned by Sinclair. But even they were able to sneak in the fact that it’s not teaching gender ideology but respecting all students, including the ones who were being bullied for being gay. So you want gay kids to get bullied? That’s essentially what you said.

And to try to pull some grapes out of your cornucopia of misled: that was an Osseo, MN policy, not a state wide one. Good lord. You are bad at this, “independent.”

This was just one point in response to someone who asked "What ideology do you find too progressive?" And I stand by my post - this is one area that I find too progressive/liberal. But I am also pro-LGBTQ rights -- it's something the progressive/liberal left can't seem to comprehend which is so frustrating -- you can support LGBTQ rights but also disagree with certain specific issues. The all-or-nothing attitude of the left is tiresome. Just as tiresome as the all-or-nothing attitude of the right when it comes to abortion. Same thing.

DP. Well said. This is how I feel, too. So sick of the extremes.

The forgotten middle.
The middle children of the country if you will.

Well said indeed.

Well, Harris acknowledges you with this pick.

No she didn't.
I'm still likely to vote for her given I can't tolerate Trump.
But I will also likely to vote more right leaning down ballot to keep things somewhat balanced.

The Democrats have bent over backwards to be right leaning (Biden, Clinton, Kaine, Lieberman, Gore, Obama, Kerry… these are not far left people); the same is never asked of the GOP. Not ever. Voters like you never ask that the GOP move left. You should ask yourself why you don’t think they should moderate.

I have in my lifetime voted for both Democrats and Republicans.
I vote for who at the time I feel is best for the country overall, best represents the views of the country and best reflects my personal views.

I think both parties are invested in playing to the extremes and not really listening to what people actually want.

+100
Absolutely agree. I would happily vote for a Bill Clinton today.
DP

Walz is basically Bill Clinton.

Good try. Walz is left of Bernie.

You need to get a better news source than Fox and OAN. Walz is one of the most moderate for the Democrats. Go back and look at the dot-spread post about his positions when he was in Congress. A pretty even mix of blue and red dots. He's very moderate and very pragmatic. He was one of the deal-makers who could communicate across the aisle.

The conservatives are calling his progressive and leftist because essentially the MAGA have pulled the political spectrum so far right that those who are true moderates now look progressive in contrast. He appears left if you pick and choose his positions. Yes, he has some political views that are progressive, but he also has some that are conservative, because he is midwestern and there are some midwestern values that are very conservative. If you selectively choose, you will find progressive ideas and values, but if you take him as a whole, he's very moderate in balance.

You must be a political novice. Walz is not a moderate. He represented a reddish district while in Congress and had to manage his voting somewhat to maintain his seat. But he has always supported left policies and this was revealed through and through in his record since representing the very blue electorate that is MN as a whole. And his comments are free for all to hear.

A red-ish district?! Omg. Walz was only the fourth Democrat in the history of that district to represent them. It’s a very red district. You need to do your research

Oh please. Walz is no moderate. Deal with it. Even the left admits this guy is on the far left… thus why they are embracing him.

What? No he isn’t. He lives in a very red district. You’re absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:Maga is in panic

Full blown. It's all trans in bathrooms and George Floyd/riots! That's all they got. Wait until they start hearing him speak! This is going to be delicious.

The riots and overall breakdown of law and order in our cities is where the Democrats are most vulnerable. Expect to hear about Kamala’s San Francisco and Tim’s Minneapolis nonstop for the next three months.

Did January 6th not happen? I don't understand how GOP are so concerned about some riots and not others. It's weird.

Bingo

All riots should be equally disdained regardless of the issue behind it because more often than not it's some nut job extremist thugs who don't actually care about the issue behind it....but as such should also be equally prosecuted and equally thought of as wrong regardless of the issue. It's never ok to destroy property regardless of the issue or topic period.

I agree. I read an article about The riots in MN and poor reaction time. Walz was very honest about it all and how it was not handled well. Now contrast that with Trump who still thinks January 6th was a good thing.

True - but I also know many Dems who think the BLM riots were a good thing too.

Dems supported the peaceful protests and criticized where the looting and property damage took place.

Well I'll rephrase,"I have personally spoken to more than one Dem who feels the looting and property damage was justified". But we are going off-topic now. Back to Tim Walz....honestly...I don't care how he reacted to the BLM riots because it was an extremely difficult time. I also don't care about anything he did or didn't do 20 yrs ago. I do care about his political views and social ideology which are too progressive for my taste. Not saying it's going to make me vote for Trump but I am now strongly considering staying home...and this is coming from someone who was pushing their DD to go out and vote because of the importance of voting - DD doesn't care to vote this year either. I can see her point of view.

What ideology do you find too progressive?

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Education: In favor of reduced/free college education for the trades -- in fact...take some of the illegal immigrants who have been here for over 10-15+ yrs (because realistically you can't deport them all) and educate them in the trades. Fix our education system and stop focusing on stupid issues that don't belong in schools. Teach tolerance and respect as a two-way street. Note: I actually like how Walz has approached education in MN -- except for teaching gender ideology in schools. Many parents voice their concerns: https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/minnesota-parents-clash-over-teachers-discussing-gender-identity-with-students-stay-in-your-lane-osseo-area-schools-isd-279-lgbtqia-history-and-culture-resolution-lgbt-transgender and […]

You cite a ton of right wing talking points and misrepresentations (no one takes you seriously when your argument is a strawman), but I think you should have read the article you posted before spouting off about “teaching gender ideology” and from a “news” outlet in Austin, TX owned by Sinclair. But even they were able to sneak in the fact that it’s not teaching gender ideology but respecting all students, including the ones who were being bullied for being gay. So you want gay kids to get bullied? That’s essentially what you said.

And to try to pull some grapes out of your cornucopia of misled: that was an Osseo, MN policy, not a state wide one. Good lord. You are bad at this, “independent.”

This was just one point in response to someone who asked "What ideology do you find too progressive?" And I stand by my post - this is one area that I find too progressive/liberal. But I am also pro-LGBTQ rights -- it's something the progressive/liberal left can't seem to comprehend which is so frustrating -- you can support LGBTQ rights but also disagree with certain specific issues. The all-or-nothing attitude of the left is tiresome. Just as tiresome as the all-or-nothing attitude of the right when it comes to abortion. Same thing.

DP. Well said. This is how I feel, too. So sick of the extremes.

The forgotten middle.
The middle children of the country if you will.

Well said indeed.

Well, Harris acknowledges you with this pick.

No she didn't.
I'm still likely to vote for her given I can't tolerate Trump.
But I will also likely to vote more right leaning down ballot to keep things somewhat balanced.

The Democrats have bent over backwards to be right leaning (Biden, Clinton, Kaine, Lieberman, Gore, Obama, Kerry… these are not far left people); the same is never asked of the GOP. Not ever. Voters like you never ask that the GOP move left. You should ask yourself why you don’t think they should moderate.

I have in my lifetime voted for both Democrats and Republicans.
I vote for who at the time I feel is best for the country overall, best represents the views of the country and best reflects my personal views.

I think both parties are invested in playing to the extremes and not really listening to what people actually want.

+100
Absolutely agree. I would happily vote for a Bill Clinton today.
DP

Walz is basically Bill Clinton.

Good try. Walz is left of Bernie.

You need to get a better news source than Fox and OAN. Walz is one of the most moderate for the Democrats. Go back and look at the dot-spread post about his positions when he was in Congress. A pretty even mix of blue and red dots. He's very moderate and very pragmatic. He was one of the deal-makers who could communicate across the aisle.

The conservatives are calling his progressive and leftist because essentially the MAGA have pulled the political spectrum so far right that those who are true moderates now look progressive in contrast. He appears left if you pick and choose his positions. Yes, he has some political views that are progressive, but he also has some that are conservative, because he is midwestern and there are some midwestern values that are very conservative. If you selectively choose, you will find progressive ideas and values, but if you take him as a whole, he's very moderate in balance.

You must be a political novice. Walz is not a moderate. He represented a reddish district while in Congress and had to manage his voting somewhat to maintain his seat. But he has always supported left policies and this was revealed through and through in his record since representing the very blue electorate that is MN as a whole. And his comments are free for all to hear.

A red-ish district?! Omg. Walz was only the fourth Democrat in the history of that district to represent them. It’s a very red district. You need to do your research

Oh please. Walz is no moderate. Deal with it. Even the left admits this guy is on the far left… thus why they are embracing him.

What? No he isn’t. He lives in a very red district. You’re absurd.

Where he lives is irrelevant. His record as governor is clear.

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Anonymous wrote:Socialists love Kamala’s VP Pick, YOU GO GIRL!

Please learn the difference between socialism and democratic socialists. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Walz admits he’s a socialist and had socialist values. We are not a socialist country.

Yes, we are. You just call it Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the GI Bill and pretty much everything the military receives in terms of housing, the ACA, minimum wage laws, maximum hours, child labor laws, subsidizing higher education/home ownership, FEMA, section 8 housing, subsidies for energy companies and agriculture.

Military members receive a compensation and benefits package for their service. That’s not socialism.

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And they deserve every bit they get. They deserve far more, in fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Maga is in panic

Full blown. It's all trans in bathrooms and George Floyd/riots! That's all they got. Wait until they start hearing him speak! This is going to be delicious.

The riots and overall breakdown of law and order in our cities is where the Democrats are most vulnerable. Expect to hear about Kamala’s San Francisco and Tim’s Minneapolis nonstop for the next three months.

Did January 6th not happen? I don't understand how GOP are so concerned about some riots and not others. It's weird.

Bingo

All riots should be equally disdained regardless of the issue behind it because more often than not it's some nut job extremist thugs who don't actually care about the issue behind it....but as such should also be equally prosecuted and equally thought of as wrong regardless of the issue. It's never ok to destroy property regardless of the issue or topic period.

I agree. I read an article about The riots in MN and poor reaction time. Walz was very honest about it all and how it was not handled well. Now contrast that with Trump who still thinks January 6th was a good thing.

True - but I also know many Dems who think the BLM riots were a good thing too.

Dems supported the peaceful protests and criticized where the looting and property damage took place.

Well I'll rephrase,"I have personally spoken to more than one Dem who feels the looting and property damage was justified". But we are going off-topic now. Back to Tim Walz....honestly...I don't care how he reacted to the BLM riots because it was an extremely difficult time. I also don't care about anything he did or didn't do 20 yrs ago. I do care about his political views and social ideology which are too progressive for my taste. Not saying it's going to make me vote for Trump but I am now strongly considering staying home...and this is coming from someone who was pushing their DD to go out and vote because of the importance of voting - DD doesn't care to vote this year either. I can see her point of view.

What ideology do you find too progressive?

[…]
Education: In favor of reduced/free college education for the trades -- in fact...take some of the illegal immigrants who have been here for over 10-15+ yrs (because realistically you can't deport them all) and educate them in the trades. Fix our education system and stop focusing on stupid issues that don't belong in schools. Teach tolerance and respect as a two-way street. Note: I actually like how Walz has approached education in MN -- except for teaching gender ideology in schools. Many parents voice their concerns: https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/minnesota-parents-clash-over-teachers-discussing-gender-identity-with-students-stay-in-your-lane-osseo-area-schools-isd-279-lgbtqia-history-and-culture-resolution-lgbt-transgender and […]

You cite a ton of right wing talking points and misrepresentations (no one takes you seriously when your argument is a strawman), but I think you should have read the article you posted before spouting off about “teaching gender ideology” and from a “news” outlet in Austin, TX owned by Sinclair. But even they were able to sneak in the fact that it’s not teaching gender ideology but respecting all students, including the ones who were being bullied for being gay. So you want gay kids to get bullied? That’s essentially what you said.

And to try to pull some grapes out of your cornucopia of misled: that was an Osseo, MN policy, not a state wide one. Good lord. You are bad at this, “independent.”

This was just one point in response to someone who asked "What ideology do you find too progressive?" And I stand by my post - this is one area that I find too progressive/liberal. But I am also pro-LGBTQ rights -- it's something the progressive/liberal left can't seem to comprehend which is so frustrating -- you can support LGBTQ rights but also disagree with certain specific issues. The all-or-nothing attitude of the left is tiresome. Just as tiresome as the all-or-nothing attitude of the right when it comes to abortion. Same thing.

DP. Well said. This is how I feel, too. So sick of the extremes.

The forgotten middle.
The middle children of the country if you will.

Well said indeed.

Well, Harris acknowledges you with this pick.

No she didn't.
I'm still likely to vote for her given I can't tolerate Trump.
But I will also likely to vote more right leaning down ballot to keep things somewhat balanced.

The Democrats have bent over backwards to be right leaning (Biden, Clinton, Kaine, Lieberman, Gore, Obama, Kerry… these are not far left people); the same is never asked of the GOP. Not ever. Voters like you never ask that the GOP move left. You should ask yourself why you don’t think they should moderate.

I have in my lifetime voted for both Democrats and Republicans.
I vote for who at the time I feel is best for the country overall, best represents the views of the country and best reflects my personal views.

I think both parties are invested in playing to the extremes and not really listening to what people actually want.

+100
Absolutely agree. I would happily vote for a Bill Clinton today.
DP

Walz is basically Bill Clinton.

Good try. Walz is left of Bernie.

You need to get a better news source than Fox and OAN. Walz is one of the most moderate for the Democrats. Go back and look at the dot-spread post about his positions when he was in Congress. A pretty even mix of blue and red dots. He's very moderate and very pragmatic. He was one of the deal-makers who could communicate across the aisle.

The conservatives are calling his progressive and leftist because essentially the MAGA have pulled the political spectrum so far right that those who are true moderates now look progressive in contrast. He appears left if you pick and choose his positions. Yes, he has some political views that are progressive, but he also has some that are conservative, because he is midwestern and there are some midwestern values that are very conservative. If you selectively choose, you will find progressive ideas and values, but if you take him as a whole, he's very moderate in balance.

You must be a political novice. Walz is not a moderate. He represented a reddish district while in Congress and had to manage his voting somewhat to maintain his seat. But he has always supported left policies and this was revealed through and through in his record since representing the very blue electorate that is MN as a whole. And his comments are free for all to hear.

Here is a tracking of his positions and votes from his 12 years in Congress. There are not many who are more balanced than this.

You still don’t get it, do you? Or are you willfully ignoring politics?

He voted as a representative of the leanings of his district. This is how he maintained his seat. He represents a different electorate now and in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:Voting for a president isn’t like giving a Valentine- you don’t need to love them- it’s a chess move for a better country.

Democrats fall in love. Well, I just fell in love, folks. I think there is a lot of excitement and it ain't for TFG whining on Truth Social for Biden to come back.

Glad you vote with your heart and not your head. Let us know how that works out for you.

I’ve said that many times here. Dems vote based on emotion. Republicans do not.

The GOP is all fear and anger - those are emotions. Your criticism is not remotely original, and it’s both outdated and incorrect.

Wow, so.much.projection. Democrats have been insisting that Trump will “end democracy!!” The threads on this forum are beyond fear-mongering and looney rage. They are truly unhinged.
DP

The Harris Walz campaign is a positive one and talking policy, not retribution.

They actually haven't talked policy at all.

They have talked hope and change and the other guys are weird let's dance to some music and create a meme moment.
I would love to actually here them talk policy.
I think most voters would too.
But hope and change and a lot of flare worked once. I suppose it could work again

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Par for the course regardless of who the pick would be.

The GOP as a single CD track and it is simply on repeat.

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Anonymous wrote:Maga is in panic

Full blown. It's all trans in bathrooms and George Floyd/riots! That's all they got. Wait until they start hearing him speak! This is going to be delicious.

The riots and overall breakdown of law and order in our cities is where the Democrats are most vulnerable. Expect to hear about Kamala’s San Francisco and Tim’s Minneapolis nonstop for the next three months.

Did January 6th not happen? I don't understand how GOP are so concerned about some riots and not others. It's weird.

Bingo

All riots should be equally disdained regardless of the issue behind it because more often than not it's some nut job extremist thugs who don't actually care about the issue behind it....but as such should also be equally prosecuted and equally thought of as wrong regardless of the issue. It's never ok to destroy property regardless of the issue or topic period.

I agree. I read an article about The riots in MN and poor reaction time. Walz was very honest about it all and how it was not handled well. Now contrast that with Trump who still thinks January 6th was a good thing.

True - but I also know many Dems who think the BLM riots were a good thing too.

Dems supported the peaceful protests and criticized where the looting and property damage took place.

Well I'll rephrase,"I have personally spoken to more than one Dem who feels the looting and property damage was justified". But we are going off-topic now. Back to Tim Walz....honestly...I don't care how he reacted to the BLM riots because it was an extremely difficult time. I also don't care about anything he did or didn't do 20 yrs ago. I do care about his political views and social ideology which are too progressive for my taste. Not saying it's going to make me vote for Trump but I am now strongly considering staying home...and this is coming from someone who was pushing their DD to go out and vote because of the importance of voting - DD doesn't care to vote this year either. I can see her point of view.

What ideology do you find too progressive?

[…]
Education: In favor of reduced/free college education for the trades -- in fact...take some of the illegal immigrants who have been here for over 10-15+ yrs (because realistically you can't deport them all) and educate them in the trades. Fix our education system and stop focusing on stupid issues that don't belong in schools. Teach tolerance and respect as a two-way street. Note: I actually like how Walz has approached education in MN -- except for teaching gender ideology in schools. Many parents voice their concerns: https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/minnesota-parents-clash-over-teachers-discussing-gender-identity-with-students-stay-in-your-lane-osseo-area-schools-isd-279-lgbtqia-history-and-culture-resolution-lgbt-transgender and […]

You cite a ton of right wing talking points and misrepresentations (no one takes you seriously when your argument is a strawman), but I think you should have read the article you posted before spouting off about “teaching gender ideology” and from a “news” outlet in Austin, TX owned by Sinclair. But even they were able to sneak in the fact that it’s not teaching gender ideology but respecting all students, including the ones who were being bullied for being gay. So you want gay kids to get bullied? That’s essentially what you said.

And to try to pull some grapes out of your cornucopia of misled: that was an Osseo, MN policy, not a state wide one. Good lord. You are bad at this, “independent.”

This was just one point in response to someone who asked "What ideology do you find too progressive?" And I stand by my post - this is one area that I find too progressive/liberal. But I am also pro-LGBTQ rights -- it's something the progressive/liberal left can't seem to comprehend which is so frustrating -- you can support LGBTQ rights but also disagree with certain specific issues. The all-or-nothing attitude of the left is tiresome. Just as tiresome as the all-or-nothing attitude of the right when it comes to abortion. Same thing.

DP. Well said. This is how I feel, too. So sick of the extremes.

The forgotten middle.
The middle children of the country if you will.

Well said indeed.

Well, Harris acknowledges you with this pick.

No she didn't.
I'm still likely to vote for her given I can't tolerate Trump.
But I will also likely to vote more right leaning down ballot to keep things somewhat balanced.

The Democrats have bent over backwards to be right leaning (Biden, Clinton, Kaine, Lieberman, Gore, Obama, Kerry… these are not far left people); the same is never asked of the GOP. Not ever. Voters like you never ask that the GOP move left. You should ask yourself why you don’t think they should moderate.

I have in my lifetime voted for both Democrats and Republicans.
I vote for who at the time I feel is best for the country overall, best represents the views of the country and best reflects my personal views.

I think both parties are invested in playing to the extremes and not really listening to what people actually want.

+100
Absolutely agree. I would happily vote for a Bill Clinton today.
DP

Walz is basically Bill Clinton.

Good try. Walz is left of Bernie.

You need to get a better news source than Fox and OAN. Walz is one of the most moderate for the Democrats. Go back and look at the dot-spread post about his positions when he was in Congress. A pretty even mix of blue and red dots. He's very moderate and very pragmatic. He was one of the deal-makers who could communicate across the aisle.

The conservatives are calling his progressive and leftist because essentially the MAGA have pulled the political spectrum so far right that those who are true moderates now look progressive in contrast. He appears left if you pick and choose his positions. Yes, he has some political views that are progressive, but he also has some that are conservative, because he is midwestern and there are some midwestern values that are very conservative. If you selectively choose, you will find progressive ideas and values, but if you take him as a whole, he's very moderate in balance.

You must be a political novice. Walz is not a moderate. He represented a reddish district while in Congress and had to manage his voting somewhat to maintain his seat. But he has always supported left policies and this was revealed through and through in his record since representing the very blue electorate that is MN as a whole. And his comments are free for all to hear.

Here is a tracking of his positions and votes from his 12 years in Congress. There are not many who are more balanced than this.

You still don’t get it, do you? Or are you willfully ignoring politics?

He voted as a representative of the leanings of his district. This is how he maintained his seat. He represents a different electorate now and in the future.

You are such a troll. The Trump campaign is flailing. Trump can’t wash the stink of failure off himself.

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Anonymous wrote:Voting for a president isn’t like giving a Valentine- you don’t need to love them- it’s a chess move for a better country.

Democrats fall in love. Well, I just fell in love, folks. I think there is a lot of excitement and it ain't for TFG whining on Truth Social for Biden to come back.

Glad you vote with your heart and not your head. Let us know how that works out for you.

I’ve said that many times here. Dems vote based on emotion. Republicans do not.

The GOP is all fear and anger - those are emotions. Your criticism is not remotely original, and it’s both outdated and incorrect.

Wow, so.much.projection. Democrats have been insisting that Trump will “end democracy!!” The threads on this forum are beyond fear-mongering and looney rage. They are truly unhinged.
DP

The Harris Walz campaign is a positive one and talking policy, not retribution.

They actually haven't talked policy at all.

They have talked hope and change and the other guys are weird let's dance to some music and create a meme moment.
I would love to actually here them talk policy.
I think most voters would too.
But hope and change and a lot of flare worked once. I suppose it could work again

They talked policy this evening. Did you watch the speech?

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Anonymous wrote:Maga is in panic

Full blown. It's all trans in bathrooms and George Floyd/riots! That's all they got. Wait until they start hearing him speak! This is going to be delicious.

The riots and overall breakdown of law and order in our cities is where the Democrats are most vulnerable. Expect to hear about Kamala’s San Francisco and Tim’s Minneapolis nonstop for the next three months.

Did January 6th not happen? I don't understand how GOP are so concerned about some riots and not others. It's weird.

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All riots should be equally disdained regardless of the issue behind it because more often than not it's some nut job extremist thugs who don't actually care about the issue behind it....but as such should also be equally prosecuted and equally thought of as wrong regardless of the issue. It's never ok to destroy property regardless of the issue or topic period.

I agree. I read an article about The riots in MN and poor reaction time. Walz was very honest about it all and how it was not handled well. Now contrast that with Trump who still thinks January 6th was a good thing.

True - but I also know many Dems who think the BLM riots were a good thing too.

Dems supported the peaceful protests and criticized where the looting and property damage took place.

Well I'll rephrase,"I have personally spoken to more than one Dem who feels the looting and property damage was justified". But we are going off-topic now. Back to Tim Walz....honestly...I don't care how he reacted to the BLM riots because it was an extremely difficult time. I also don't care about anything he did or didn't do 20 yrs ago. I do care about his political views and social ideology which are too progressive for my taste. Not saying it's going to make me vote for Trump but I am now strongly considering staying home...and this is coming from someone who was pushing their DD to go out and vote because of the importance of voting - DD doesn't care to vote this year either. I can see her point of view.

What ideology do you find too progressive?

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Education: In favor of reduced/free college education for the trades -- in fact...take some of the illegal immigrants who have been here for over 10-15+ yrs (because realistically you can't deport them all) and educate them in the trades. Fix our education system and stop focusing on stupid issues that don't belong in schools. Teach tolerance and respect as a two-way street. Note: I actually like how Walz has approached education in MN -- except for teaching gender ideology in schools. Many parents voice their concerns: https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/minnesota-parents-clash-over-teachers-discussing-gender-identity-with-students-stay-in-your-lane-osseo-area-schools-isd-279-lgbtqia-history-and-culture-resolution-lgbt-transgender and […]

You cite a ton of right wing talking points and misrepresentations (no one takes you seriously when your argument is a strawman), but I think you should have read the article you posted before spouting off about “teaching gender ideology” and from a “news” outlet in Austin, TX owned by Sinclair. But even they were able to sneak in the fact that it’s not teaching gender ideology but respecting all students, including the ones who were being bullied for being gay. So you want gay kids to get bullied? That’s essentially what you said.

And to try to pull some grapes out of your cornucopia of misled: that was an Osseo, MN policy, not a state wide one. Good lord. You are bad at this, “independent.”

This was just one point in response to someone who asked "What ideology do you find too progressive?" And I stand by my post - this is one area that I find too progressive/liberal. But I am also pro-LGBTQ rights -- it's something the progressive/liberal left can't seem to comprehend which is so frustrating -- you can support LGBTQ rights but also disagree with certain specific issues. The all-or-nothing attitude of the left is tiresome. Just as tiresome as the all-or-nothing attitude of the right when it comes to abortion. Same thing.

DP. Well said. This is how I feel, too. So sick of the extremes.

The forgotten middle.
The middle children of the country if you will.

Well said indeed.

Well, Harris acknowledges you with this pick.

No she didn't.
I'm still likely to vote for her given I can't tolerate Trump.
But I will also likely to vote more right leaning down ballot to keep things somewhat balanced.

The Democrats have bent over backwards to be right leaning (Biden, Clinton, Kaine, Lieberman, Gore, Obama, Kerry… these are not far left people); the same is never asked of the GOP. Not ever. Voters like you never ask that the GOP move left. You should ask yourself why you don’t think they should moderate.

I have in my lifetime voted for both Democrats and Republicans.
I vote for who at the time I feel is best for the country overall, best represents the views of the country and best reflects my personal views.

I think both parties are invested in playing to the extremes and not really listening to what people actually want.

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Absolutely agree. I would happily vote for a Bill Clinton today.
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Walz is basically Bill Clinton.

Good try. Walz is left of Bernie.

You need to get a better news source than Fox and OAN. Walz is one of the most moderate for the Democrats. Go back and look at the dot-spread post about his positions when he was in Congress. A pretty even mix of blue and red dots. He's very moderate and very pragmatic. He was one of the deal-makers who could communicate across the aisle.

The conservatives are calling his progressive and leftist because essentially the MAGA have pulled the political spectrum so far right that those who are true moderates now look progressive in contrast. He appears left if you pick and choose his positions. Yes, he has some political views that are progressive, but he also has some that are conservative, because he is midwestern and there are some midwestern values that are very conservative. If you selectively choose, you will find progressive ideas and values, but if you take him as a whole, he's very moderate in balance.

You must be a political novice. Walz is not a moderate. He represented a reddish district while in Congress and had to manage his voting somewhat to maintain his seat. But he has always supported left policies and this was revealed through and through in his record since representing the very blue electorate that is MN as a whole. And his comments are free for all to hear.

A red-ish district?! Omg. Walz was only the fourth Democrat in the history of that district to represent them. It’s a very red district. You need to do your research

Oh please. Walz is no moderate. Deal with it. Even the left admits this guy is on the far left… thus why they are embracing him.

What? No he isn’t. He lives in a very red district. You’re absurd.

Where he lives is irrelevant. His record as governor is clear.

And popular!

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Anonymous wrote:Today I learned that Minnesota is a burned out socialist hell hole. These QAnon freaks are spitting Truth!

I know someone who lives in Minnesota and she doesn't work. she lives off CHILD SUPPORT, SSI, CHILD SUPPORT AND SECTION 8 HOUSING.

WE NEED TO BANNED SECTION 8, SSI, AND CHILD SUPPORT IF THE WOMEN DOESN'T WORK.

poor English, all caps and mistakenly repeated words and catch phrases points to Russian troll. Jeff- please remove user.

That poster is a normal poster who usually posts totally literate posts in normal case. He is putting on an act. Just ignore or enjoy the humor. He cracked me up today writing that Trump gave the best speech since the Gaithersburg address.

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Anonymous wrote:Socialists love Kamala’s VP Pick, YOU GO GIRL!

Please learn the difference between socialism and democratic socialists. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Walz admits he’s a socialist and had socialist values. We are not a socialist country.

Yes, we are. You just call it Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the GI Bill and pretty much everything the military receives in terms of housing, the ACA, minimum wage laws, maximum hours, child labor laws, subsidizing higher education/home ownership, FEMA, section 8 housing, subsidies for energy companies and agriculture.

Military members receive a compensation and benefits package for their service. That’s not socialism.

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And they deserve every bit they get. They deserve far more, in fact.

no one is suggesting they don't deserve it (though the GOP wants to cut VA funding) - the question in this line of the thread was about government sponsored programs and activities. The military benefits are absolutely government sponsored activities and thus by GOP definition, socialism.

Just like the interstate highway system subsidies for agribusiness, the FAA, NASA, the EPA and so on.

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Anonymous wrote:Maga is in panic

Full blown. It's all trans in bathrooms and George Floyd/riots! That's all they got. Wait until they start hearing him speak! This is going to be delicious.

The riots and overall breakdown of law and order in our cities is where the Democrats are most vulnerable. Expect to hear about Kamala’s San Francisco and Tim’s Minneapolis nonstop for the next three months.

Did January 6th not happen? I don't understand how GOP are so concerned about some riots and not others. It's weird.

Bingo

All riots should be equally disdained regardless of the issue behind it because more often than not it's some nut job extremist thugs who don't actually care about the issue behind it....but as such should also be equally prosecuted and equally thought of as wrong regardless of the issue. It's never ok to destroy property regardless of the issue or topic period.

I agree. I read an article about The riots in MN and poor reaction time. Walz was very honest about it all and how it was not handled well. Now contrast that with Trump who still thinks January 6th was a good thing.

True - but I also know many Dems who think the BLM riots were a good thing too.

Dems supported the peaceful protests and criticized where the looting and property damage took place.

Well I'll rephrase,"I have personally spoken to more than one Dem who feels the looting and property damage was justified". But we are going off-topic now. Back to Tim Walz....honestly...I don't care how he reacted to the BLM riots because it was an extremely difficult time. I also don't care about anything he did or didn't do 20 yrs ago. I do care about his political views and social ideology which are too progressive for my taste. Not saying it's going to make me vote for Trump but I am now strongly considering staying home...and this is coming from someone who was pushing their DD to go out and vote because of the importance of voting - DD doesn't care to vote this year either. I can see her point of view.

What ideology do you find too progressive?

[…]
Education: In favor of reduced/free college education for the trades -- in fact...take some of the illegal immigrants who have been here for over 10-15+ yrs (because realistically you can't deport them all) and educate them in the trades. Fix our education system and stop focusing on stupid issues that don't belong in schools. Teach tolerance and respect as a two-way street. Note: I actually like how Walz has approached education in MN -- except for teaching gender ideology in schools. Many parents voice their concerns: https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/minnesota-parents-clash-over-teachers-discussing-gender-identity-with-students-stay-in-your-lane-osseo-area-schools-isd-279-lgbtqia-history-and-culture-resolution-lgbt-transgender and […]

You cite a ton of right wing talking points and misrepresentations (no one takes you seriously when your argument is a strawman), but I think you should have read the article you posted before spouting off about “teaching gender ideology” and from a “news” outlet in Austin, TX owned by Sinclair. But even they were able to sneak in the fact that it’s not teaching gender ideology but respecting all students, including the ones who were being bullied for being gay. So you want gay kids to get bullied? That’s essentially what you said.

And to try to pull some grapes out of your cornucopia of misled: that was an Osseo, MN policy, not a state wide one. Good lord. You are bad at this, “independent.”

This was just one point in response to someone who asked "What ideology do you find too progressive?" And I stand by my post - this is one area that I find too progressive/liberal. But I am also pro-LGBTQ rights -- it's something the progressive/liberal left can't seem to comprehend which is so frustrating -- you can support LGBTQ rights but also disagree with certain specific issues. The all-or-nothing attitude of the left is tiresome. Just as tiresome as the all-or-nothing attitude of the right when it comes to abortion. Same thing.

DP. Well said. This is how I feel, too. So sick of the extremes.

The forgotten middle.
The middle children of the country if you will.

Well said indeed.

Well, Harris acknowledges you with this pick.

No she didn't.
I'm still likely to vote for her given I can't tolerate Trump.
But I will also likely to vote more right leaning down ballot to keep things somewhat balanced.

The Democrats have bent over backwards to be right leaning (Biden, Clinton, Kaine, Lieberman, Gore, Obama, Kerry… these are not far left people); the same is never asked of the GOP. Not ever. Voters like you never ask that the GOP move left. You should ask yourself why you don’t think they should moderate.

I have in my lifetime voted for both Democrats and Republicans.
I vote for who at the time I feel is best for the country overall, best represents the views of the country and best reflects my personal views.

I think both parties are invested in playing to the extremes and not really listening to what people actually want.

+100
Absolutely agree. I would happily vote for a Bill Clinton today.
DP

Walz is basically Bill Clinton.

Good try. Walz is left of Bernie.

You need to get a better news source than Fox and OAN. Walz is one of the most moderate for the Democrats. Go back and look at the dot-spread post about his positions when he was in Congress. A pretty even mix of blue and red dots. He's very moderate and very pragmatic. He was one of the deal-makers who could communicate across the aisle.

The conservatives are calling his progressive and leftist because essentially the MAGA have pulled the political spectrum so far right that those who are true moderates now look progressive in contrast. He appears left if you pick and choose his positions. Yes, he has some political views that are progressive, but he also has some that are conservative, because he is midwestern and there are some midwestern values that are very conservative. If you selectively choose, you will find progressive ideas and values, but if you take him as a whole, he's very moderate in balance.

You must be a political novice. Walz is not a moderate. He represented a reddish district while in Congress and had to manage his voting somewhat to maintain his seat. But he has always supported left policies and this was revealed through and through in his record since representing the very blue electorate that is MN as a whole. And his comments are free for all to hear.

Here is a tracking of his positions and votes from his 12 years in Congress. There are not many who are more balanced than this.

You still don’t get it, do you? Or are you willfully ignoring politics?

He voted as a representative of the leanings of his district. This is how he maintained his seat. He represents a different electorate now and in the future.

You are such a troll. The Trump campaign is flailing. Trump can’t wash the stink of failure off himself.

Completely ignore facts and bring up trump. Checks out. I couldn’t care less about trump.

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Anonymous wrote:The trolls baiting, stop trying to rationalize, of course they are defaulting to the too lib narrative.

Dems, momentum is on your side. Keep hustling and talk to people instead of engaging online with trolls. Get off your keyboard and start working with organized Harris/walz offices to get out the vote.

This!

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Anonymous wrote:Tim Walz says he sleeps just fine’ with F’s from the NRA

https://fortune.com/2024/08/06/tim-walz-sleeps-just-fine-with-fs-from-the-nra-gun-lobby-control/

It might seem a little out of the norm or against the commonly held stereotype for a known former veteran and hunter to be pro-gun-control. But Walz explained in last year’s annual State of the State that it’s this exact experience that informs his desire to pass legislation that involves greater arms regulation.

“I know guns as well as anyone else in this room,” Walz said at the Minnesota Capitol building in 2023, adding that he is “one of the best shots in Congress” and has the trophy to prove it.

“I got an A rating from the NRA my first term in Congress. Now I get straight F’s. And I sleep just fine,” Walz said in his 2023 address, adding that everyone knows gun violence is an issue but are “just used to being bullied by the gun lobby.”

80% of Americans want gun reform. Parents do not like having their kids doing lockdown drills.

Citation?

“The McCourtney Institute for Democracy’s latest Mood of the Nation Poll, conducted from May 12-18, 2023, finds that 86 percent of American adults support U.S. Congress mandating background checks for all firearm sales and transfers.

Nearly three-quarters support Congress requiring gun owners to take a test, obtain a license and register their firearms, similar to the process of owning an automobile.”
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/07/25/poll-majority--support-universal-background-checks-gun-licensing-assault-weapons-ban#

They don’t have their methodology documented, we don’t know who they asked or how they asked. They should have that information included.

Are you OK? Yes, this poll has its methodology documented.
https://democracy.psu.edu/research/mood-of-the-nation-poll/about-the-poll/
https://democracy.psu.edu/poll-report-archive/how-the-poll-was-conducted/

The 1,000 individuals who completed the McCourtney Mood of the Nation Poll were matched to the joint distribution from the Census’s American Community Survey in terms of age, sex, race/ethnicity, and years of education.The frame was augmented by matching to the November 2010 Current Population Survey and the Pew Religious Life Survey in order to include voter registration, political interest and party identification in the selection model.

The unweighted data are broadly representative of the U.S. population in terms of age, education, and region.

Additional information about the poll’s methodology is available here.

The data have been weighted to adjust for variation in the sample from the adult United States population with respect to demographic variables such as geographic region, gender, race/ethnicity, age, and education, and political variables such as voter registration status and political interest. Weighting details are described in a paper by Ansolabehere and Rivers.

Ok, who was surveyed? It doesn’t say.

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Anonymous wrote:Socialists love Kamala’s VP Pick, YOU GO GIRL!

Please learn the difference between socialism and democratic socialists. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Walz admits he’s a socialist and had socialist values. We are not a socialist country.

Yes, we are. You just call it Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the GI Bill and pretty much everything the military receives in terms of housing, the ACA, minimum wage laws, maximum hours, child labor laws, subsidizing higher education/home ownership, FEMA, section 8 housing, subsidies for energy companies and agriculture.

Military members receive a compensation and benefits package for their service. That’s not socialism.

That's true. But you don't think it's subsidized by the Federal government?!?!? Hahahahaha.

From the U.S. Army's website: "the Army provides allowances to offset the cost of living. These allowances are monies provided for specific needs, such as food or housing when the government does not provide for that specific need. Most allowances are not taxable, which is an additional imbedded benefit of military pay."

There's also a: Housing Allowance, Rental Ceilings, Utility/Maintenance Allowance, Move-In Allowance, Basic Allowance for Subsistence, Clothing Allowance, Family Separation Allowance, Family Subsistence Supplemental Allowance, Cost of Living Allowance.

The fact that you don't see this as the socialism that it is is hilarious.

DP. Um... you realize that members of the military are providing a HUGE service to the United States, right? And as such, they are given certain COL allowances in return - frankly, not nearly enough for the service they provide. It's not as if they're getting handouts for doing nothing. :roll: