Official TJ Admissions Decisions Results for the Class of 2025

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Also, the notion that there is any type racial balancing going on is BS since everyone knows that's illegal. What they did is simply level the playing field to give less affluent schools a sporting chance. The balance is still heavily tilted in favor of those who use their wealth to supplement their kids chances.,

They explicitly said they wanted to increase the number of black and brown kids.

so?

It's amusing that people say "They wanted to make the school look more like the community it serves!" (or more frequently something more insensitive) as though that's some death blow that should immediately delegitimize the changes to admissions.

This is a racist dogwhistle. Fairfax is majority white, that is why the admissions reforms took place.

Wrong. Fairfax is majority Democrat, that is why the admissions reforms took place.

This is far more true than the white piece.

It sounds like FCPS is going to win the lawsuit, so this will be the new status quo. I hope everyone can accept that and move on.

Math is racist. Merit is a myth. Hard work and equity can't co-exist. Let's move on.

Nobody has said this. I'm sorry you are unable to understand this very basic set of issues. Wealthy areas supplement giving their children an advantage over many equally bright students in less affluent areas. Some wealthy families went as far to buy answers to a test that enabled admission. Publicly funded schools have to benefit all families equally not just those who supplement or attend cram school.

Exactly.

Publicly funded schools have absolutely no right to overtly discriminate against someone just because their kids do supplementary work outside the school. It is completely shameful abuse of power.

No one is overtly discriminating against families who choose to have their kids do supplemental work.

TJ admissions is simply no longer overtly discriminating in favor of those families.

When you are accustomed to privilege, equity feels like oppression.

When you establish policy to confer political favors, discrimination is passed off as equity.

Removing a discriminatory policy does not equate to introducing discrimination.

The old admissions policy very heavily discriminated in favor of students and families who had the resources to spend on additional supplemental work that was specifically geared toward the TJ admissions process. The proof was in the results - for TJ's entire history, including well before it became majority Asian, it has overwhelmingly consisted of wealthy families and has had extremely poor representation from students of need.

I don't think the new admissions process is perfect - far from it. But at least it inarguably serves the entire population of Northern Virginia instead of just the wealthier areas of Fairfax and Loudoun.

Of course you can successfully argue that a lottery process is representative. Maybe it should be extended to grading at TJ too. It is far from perfect but it inarguably serves the...blah blah..

There is no lottery element to the new process. It probably feels somewhat like a lottery to families who are no longer able to use their resources to optimize the new admissions process, but the students in the new process were evaluated first against applicants from within their own school, and then against the remaining applicants for the unallocated spots.

There is no lottery element to the new process - outright lie.

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Also, the notion that there is any type racial balancing going on is BS since everyone knows that's illegal. What they did is simply level the playing field to give less affluent schools a sporting chance. The balance is still heavily tilted in favor of those who use their wealth to supplement their kids chances.,

They explicitly said they wanted to increase the number of black and brown kids.

so?

It's amusing that people say "They wanted to make the school look more like the community it serves!" (or more frequently something more insensitive) as though that's some death blow that should immediately delegitimize the changes to admissions.

This is a racist dogwhistle. Fairfax is majority white, that is why the admissions reforms took place.

Wrong. Fairfax is majority Democrat, that is why the admissions reforms took place.

This is far more true than the white piece.

It sounds like FCPS is going to win the lawsuit, so this will be the new status quo. I hope everyone can accept that and move on.

Math is racist. Merit is a myth. Hard work and equity can't co-exist. Let's move on.

Nobody has said this. I'm sorry you are unable to understand this very basic set of issues. Wealthy areas supplement giving their children an advantage over many equally bright students in less affluent areas. Some wealthy families went as far to buy answers to a test that enabled admission. Publicly funded schools have to benefit all families equally not just those who supplement or attend cram school.

Exactly.

Publicly funded schools have absolutely no right to overtly discriminate against someone just because their kids do supplementary work outside the school. It is completely shameful abuse of power.

No one is overtly discriminating against families who choose to have their kids do supplemental work.

TJ admissions is simply no longer overtly discriminating in favor of those families.

When you are accustomed to privilege, equity feels like oppression.

When you establish policy to confer political favors, discrimination is passed off as equity.

Removing a discriminatory policy does not equate to introducing discrimination.

The old admissions policy very heavily discriminated in favor of students and families who had the resources to spend on additional supplemental work that was specifically geared toward the TJ admissions process. The proof was in the results - for TJ's entire history, including well before it became majority Asian, it has overwhelmingly consisted of wealthy families and has had extremely poor representation from students of need.

I don't think the new admissions process is perfect - far from it. But at least it inarguably serves the entire population of Northern Virginia instead of just the wealthier areas of Fairfax and Loudoun.

Of course you can successfully argue that a lottery process is representative. Maybe it should be extended to grading at TJ too. It is far from perfect but it inarguably serves the...blah blah..

There is no lottery element to the new process. It probably feels somewhat like a lottery to families who are no longer able to use their resources to optimize the new admissions process, but the students in the new process were evaluated first against applicants from within their own school, and then against the remaining applicants for the unallocated spots.

There is no lottery element to the new process - outright lie.

It's not an outright lie. Where is there a lottery element in any part of the new process?

There certainly was in the first plan for a new process put forth by FCPS, but they scrapped it completely.

Burden of proof's on you for this one.

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Also, the notion that there is any type racial balancing going on is BS since everyone knows that's illegal. What they did is simply level the playing field to give less affluent schools a sporting chance. The balance is still heavily tilted in favor of those who use their wealth to supplement their kids chances.,

They explicitly said they wanted to increase the number of black and brown kids.

so?

It's amusing that people say "They wanted to make the school look more like the community it serves!" (or more frequently something more insensitive) as though that's some death blow that should immediately delegitimize the changes to admissions.

This is a racist dogwhistle. Fairfax is majority white, that is why the admissions reforms took place.

Wrong. Fairfax is majority Democrat, that is why the admissions reforms took place.

This is far more true than the white piece.

It sounds like FCPS is going to win the lawsuit, so this will be the new status quo. I hope everyone can accept that and move on.

Math is racist. Merit is a myth. Hard work and equity can't co-exist. Let's move on.

Nobody has said this. I'm sorry you are unable to understand this very basic set of issues. Wealthy areas supplement giving their children an advantage over many equally bright students in less affluent areas. Some wealthy families went as far to buy answers to a test that enabled admission. Publicly funded schools have to benefit all families equally not just those who supplement or attend cram school.

This again. OK, but then you refuse to apply this philosophy to sports. You cannot have it both ways.

What reason would there be to apply it to sports? The point of a sports team is to win games. While TJ does compete in many areas (including in sports!) the point of TJ is not to win any competition or to rank highly in any artificial set of rankings.

The reason? Equity. Equity of outcome, of course. Isn't that all we care about now?

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Also, the notion that there is any type racial balancing going on is BS since everyone knows that's illegal. What they did is simply level the playing field to give less affluent schools a sporting chance. The balance is still heavily tilted in favor of those who use their wealth to supplement their kids chances.,

They explicitly said they wanted to increase the number of black and brown kids.

so?

It's amusing that people say "They wanted to make the school look more like the community it serves!" (or more frequently something more insensitive) as though that's some death blow that should immediately delegitimize the changes to admissions.

This is a racist dogwhistle. Fairfax is majority white, that is why the admissions reforms took place.

Wrong. Fairfax is majority Democrat, that is why the admissions reforms took place.

This is far more true than the white piece.

It sounds like FCPS is going to win the lawsuit, so this will be the new status quo. I hope everyone can accept that and move on.

Math is racist. Merit is a myth. Hard work and equity can't co-exist. Let's move on.

Nobody has said this. I'm sorry you are unable to understand this very basic set of issues. Wealthy areas supplement giving their children an advantage over many equally bright students in less affluent areas. Some wealthy families went as far to buy answers to a test that enabled admission. Publicly funded schools have to benefit all families equally not just those who supplement or attend cram school.

This again. OK, but then you refuse to apply this philosophy to sports. You cannot have it both ways.

What reason would there be to apply it to sports? The point of a sports team is to win games. While TJ does compete in many areas (including in sports!) the point of TJ is not to win any competition or to rank highly in any artificial set of rankings.

The reason? Equity. Equity of outcome, of course. Isn't that all we care about now?

Pithy but not really an argument. The ridiculous analogy to sports teams keeps getting brought up - talk about racist dog whistles - but no one ever comes up with a cogent argument for why admissions for a school should be compared to a selection process for a sports team. It's just a thing that people scream because they're annoyed that their kid doesn't get picked for either one.

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Also, the notion that there is any type racial balancing going on is BS since everyone knows that's illegal. What they did is simply level the playing field to give less affluent schools a sporting chance. The balance is still heavily tilted in favor of those who use their wealth to supplement their kids chances.,

They explicitly said they wanted to increase the number of black and brown kids.

so?

It's amusing that people say "They wanted to make the school look more like the community it serves!" (or more frequently something more insensitive) as though that's some death blow that should immediately delegitimize the changes to admissions.

This is a racist dogwhistle. Fairfax is majority white, that is why the admissions reforms took place.

Wrong. Fairfax is majority Democrat, that is why the admissions reforms took place.

This is far more true than the white piece.

It sounds like FCPS is going to win the lawsuit, so this will be the new status quo. I hope everyone can accept that and move on.

Math is racist. Merit is a myth. Hard work and equity can't co-exist. Let's move on.

Nobody has said this. I'm sorry you are unable to understand this very basic set of issues. Wealthy areas supplement giving their children an advantage over many equally bright students in less affluent areas. Some wealthy families went as far to buy answers to a test that enabled admission. Publicly funded schools have to benefit all families equally not just those who supplement or attend cram school.

Exactly.

Publicly funded schools have absolutely no right to overtly discriminate against someone just because their kids do supplementary work outside the school. It is completely shameful abuse of power.

No one is overtly discriminating against families who choose to have their kids do supplemental work.

TJ admissions is simply no longer overtly discriminating in favor of those families.

When you are accustomed to privilege, equity feels like oppression.

If I don't have a real argument, let me just throw around words like privilege, equity, and oppression. At least I can fool some of the people while making myself feel good.

Bingo. Thanks for summarizing succinctly..

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The reason? Equity. Equity of outcome, of course. Isn't that all we care about now?

Sure ensuring that both rich and poor have a fair shot at this is reasonable, but some are angry the can't use their wealth and privilege to tip the scales in their favor as easily as they had in the past.

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If I don't have a real argument, let me just throw around words like privilege, equity, and oppression. At least I can fool some of the people while making myself feel good.

.... that's literally exactly what you just did. I actually did make an argument which you chose not to respond to.

True but they aren't interested in debate or honesty just clinging to their privilege at everyone else's expense.

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Anonymous wrote:When you are accustomed to privilege, equity feels like oppression.

The more I read these posts the more this rings true!

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Anonymous wrote:When you are accustomed to privilege, equity feels like oppression.

The more I read these posts the more this rings true!

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It is a nice line. Has a good ring to it. Privilege is being able to change the rules of the game so that you don't need to put in the hard yards or sacrifice needed for success. Privilege is using political power to browbeat a minority group and try to pull them down.

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If I don't have a real argument, let me just throw around words like privilege, equity, and oppression. At least I can fool some of the people while making myself feel good.

.... that's literally exactly what you just did. I actually did make an argument which you chose not to respond to.

True but they aren't interested in debate or honesty just clinging to their privilege at everyone else's expense.

That's right THEY are all monsters. I am so goody and love my virtue echo chamber.

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Anonymous wrote:When you are accustomed to privilege, equity feels like oppression.

The more I read these posts the more this rings true!

+1

It is a nice line. Has a good ring to it. Privilege is being able to change the rules of the game so that you don't need to put in the hard yards or sacrifice needed for success. Privilege is using political power to browbeat a minority group and try to pull them down.

I wrote that line in here but I can't take credit for it. Been around for a long time.

I honestly use it because I genuinely believe that a lot of these families cannot imagine a situation where they have much tougher things to worry about than TJ admissions. There are tons of hardworking families in Northern Virginia where both parents work multiple jobs in order to keep the family afloat - and because no one from their kid's elementary school has attended TJ in recent years they have no connection to the admissions process or the strategies to deal with it.

They are concerned with their family's food and shelter security, and perhaps even their child's physical safety, and they trust the public school that they've sent their child to with giving them all of the tools that they need to succeed. They sign their children up for activities not based on what will optimize their chances in the TJ Admissions process, but rather based on what is free and creates supervision for the largest amount of time possible.

Their child takes the bus to school every day, not because it's more convenient for the parents but because they don't have a car, or money for insurance, or for the gas that it takes to get them from A to B. There is no bus that takes them to or from any prep courses that may be available - even if they are free to attend!

But they still believe education to be extremely important to their child's - and their family's - future. Their bright child who gets As in school - even in the face of an environment where being smart is a social pariah, where raising your hand in class is a recipe for ridicule - is their hope for a better tomorrow for their younger siblings.

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If I don't have a real argument, let me just throw around words like privilege, equity, and oppression. At least I can fool some of the people while making myself feel good.

.... that's literally exactly what you just did. I actually did make an argument which you chose not to respond to.

True but they aren't interested in debate or honesty just clinging to their privilege at everyone else's expense.

That's right THEY are all monsters. I am so goody and love my virtue echo chamber.

Did Google Translate write this?

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If I don't have a real argument, let me just throw around words like privilege, equity, and oppression. At least I can fool some of the people while making myself feel good.

.... that's literally exactly what you just did. I actually did make an argument which you chose not to respond to.

True but they aren't interested in debate or honesty just clinging to their privilege at everyone else's expense.

That's right THEY are all monsters. I am so goody and love my virtue echo chamber.

Did Google Translate write this?

Yeah. I am not a privileged native English speaker like you. I had to use Google translate.

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If I don't have a real argument, let me just throw around words like privilege, equity, and oppression. At least I can fool some of the people while making myself feel good.

.... that's literally exactly what you just did. I actually did make an argument which you chose not to respond to.

True but they aren't interested in debate or honesty just clinging to their privilege at everyone else's expense.

That's right THEY are all monsters. I am so goody and love my virtue echo chamber.

Did Google Translate write this?

Yeah. I am not a privileged native English speaker like you. I had to use Google translate.

That makes more sense. Indeed, I am fortunate to have been born in America and to be a native English speaker. But I'm happy to see significantly increased numbers for English Language Learners in TJ's Class of 2025 and I don't see that as a threat to my or my family's privileged status! Cheers.

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If I don't have a real argument, let me just throw around words like privilege, equity, and oppression. At least I can fool some of the people while making myself feel good.

.... that's literally exactly what you just did. I actually did make an argument which you chose not to respond to.

True but they aren't interested in debate or honesty just clinging to their privilege at everyone else's expense.

That's right THEY are all monsters. I am so goody and love my virtue echo chamber.

Did Google Translate write this?

Yeah. I am not a privileged native English speaker like you. I had to use Google translate.

That makes more sense. Indeed, I am fortunate to have been born in America and to be a native English speaker. But I'm happy to see significantly increased numbers for English Language Learners in TJ's Class of 2025 and I don't see that as a threat to my or my family's privileged status! Cheers.

And yet you mock others.