Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

I still think she has a viable retaliation claim but the full picture of her underlying complaint is going to mean it will be very hard for her to find work again.

Based on what exactly? If you call out harassers you don't deserve to work? Have you noticed all the other women speaking out saying the same thing? Kate Beckinsale is one. Women know this is happening. Do you think they should just shut up and take it in order to keep working? Are you a woman?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

No, very few of her claims come down to her credibility. The question of when the decision was made for Lively to be nude in the birth scene and whether the intimacy coordinator was consulted or on set, and whether a nudity rider was in place, has nothing to do with Lively's credibility. These are procedural questions. The same with any of Baldoni's or his partner's behavior that was seen by multiple members of the cast and crew. If multiple people can testify that Baldoni's partner was showing a video of his wife giving birth naked on set, that is factual and not dependent on Lively's credibility. If multiple people can testify that Baldoni and his partner often brought up sex, pornography, the physical attributes of women on set, and how "hot" or "sexy" these women were, then that does not come down to Lively's credibility.

I think some of you are assuming this case is similar to the Amber Heard and Johnny Depp. But it's very fundamentally different. This is not a domestic abuse case. This pertains to workplace behavior and the vast majority of what Lively is alleging involves a set full of people observing Baldoni's behavior, or has to do with whether they followed industry-standard procedures for filming intimate scenes. It is much less subjective and involves contractual obligations. You are fixating on the handful of subjective, private interactions Lively alleges in her complaint but those are among the least significant things she's alleging.

I think what you are saying actually undermines Lively. The supposed harassing incidents were in full view of everyone on the set. This supports Baldoni’s argument that Lively is distorting normal events on a movie set that involve sex and nudity already. Like your boss massaging your shoulders in an office job is unwanted and inappropriate harassment; but if you’re a dancer and your boss adjusts your shoulders that is not harassment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

I still think she has a viable retaliation claim but the full picture of her underlying complaint is going to mean it will be very hard for her to find work again.

Retaliation for what? I don’t think she made a great tie to the sexual harassment claims even in the complaint.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

No, very few of her claims come down to her credibility. The question of when the decision was made for Lively to be nude in the birth scene and whether the intimacy coordinator was consulted or on set, and whether a nudity rider was in place, has nothing to do with Lively's credibility. These are procedural questions. The same with any of Baldoni's or his partner's behavior that was seen by multiple members of the cast and crew. If multiple people can testify that Baldoni's partner was showing a video of his wife giving birth naked on set, that is factual and not dependent on Lively's credibility. If multiple people can testify that Baldoni and his partner often brought up sex, pornography, the physical attributes of women on set, and how "hot" or "sexy" these women were, then that does not come down to Lively's credibility.

I think some of you are assuming this case is similar to the Amber Heard and Johnny Depp. But it's very fundamentally different. This is not a domestic abuse case. This pertains to workplace behavior and the vast majority of what Lively is alleging involves a set full of people observing Baldoni's behavior, or has to do with whether they followed industry-standard procedures for filming intimate scenes. It is much less subjective and involves contractual obligations. You are fixating on the handful of subjective, private interactions Lively alleges in her complaint but those are among the least significant things she's alleging.

I think what you are saying actually undermines Lively. The supposed harassing incidents were in full view of everyone on the set. This supports Baldoni’s argument that Lively is distorting normal events on a movie set that involve sex and nudity already. Like your boss massaging your shoulders in an office job is unwanted and inappropriate harassment; but if you’re a dancer and your boss adjusts your shoulders that is not harassment.

+1. So many of these posts act like this is a normal workplace. This is a place where are they pretending to have sex and give birth. “Directors” give actors cues on how to do that (ie, direct).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

No, very few of her claims come down to her credibility. The question of when the decision was made for Lively to be nude in the birth scene and whether the intimacy coordinator was consulted or on set, and whether a nudity rider was in place, has nothing to do with Lively's credibility. These are procedural questions. The same with any of Baldoni's or his partner's behavior that was seen by multiple members of the cast and crew. If multiple people can testify that Baldoni's partner was showing a video of his wife giving birth naked on set, that is factual and not dependent on Lively's credibility. If multiple people can testify that Baldoni and his partner often brought up sex, pornography, the physical attributes of women on set, and how "hot" or "sexy" these women were, then that does not come down to Lively's credibility.

I think some of you are assuming this case is similar to the Amber Heard and Johnny Depp. But it's very fundamentally different. This is not a domestic abuse case. This pertains to workplace behavior and the vast majority of what Lively is alleging involves a set full of people observing Baldoni's behavior, or has to do with whether they followed industry-standard procedures for filming intimate scenes. It is much less subjective and involves contractual obligations. You are fixating on the handful of subjective, private interactions Lively alleges in her complaint but those are among the least significant things she's alleging.

I think what you are saying actually undermines Lively. The supposed harassing incidents were in full view of everyone on the set. This supports Baldoni’s argument that Lively is distorting normal events on a movie set that involve sex and nudity already. Like your boss massaging your shoulders in an office job is unwanted and inappropriate harassment; but if you’re a dancer and your boss adjusts your shoulders that is not harassment.

People know the difference. Stop being daft.

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I’m not seeing how showing a video of a woman giving birth is harassment in the context of a director giving direction to an actor replicating this same act. Is this not simply showing an example? Can someone explain?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing how showing a video of a woman giving birth is harassment in the context of a director giving direction to an actor replicating this same act. Is this not simply showing an example? Can someone explain?

For one thing, the woman in question has given birth 4 times already and said "no I don't want to watch this graphic video".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

I still think she has a viable retaliation claim but the full picture of her underlying complaint is going to mean it will be very hard for her to find work again.

Retaliation for what? I don’t think she made a great tie to the sexual harassment claims even in the complaint.

Well you have to see his actions as showing that he is concerned she is making continued complaints.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing how showing a video of a woman giving birth is harassment in the context of a director giving direction to an actor replicating this same act. Is this not simply showing an example? Can someone explain?

For one thing, the woman in question has given birth 4 times already and said "no I don't want to watch this graphic video".

Ok that doesn’t make it pornography or sexual harassment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

I still think she has a viable retaliation claim but the full picture of her underlying complaint is going to mean it will be very hard for her to find work again.

Based on what exactly? If you call out harassers you don't deserve to work? Have you noticed all the other women speaking out saying the same thing? Kate Beckinsale is one. Women know this is happening. Do you think they should just shut up and take it in order to keep working? Are you a woman?

Woman and a former plaintiff’s lawyer

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

I still think she has a viable retaliation claim but the full picture of her underlying complaint is going to mean it will be very hard for her to find work again.

Based on what exactly? If you call out harassers you don't deserve to work? Have you noticed all the other women speaking out saying the same thing? Kate Beckinsale is one. Women know this is happening. Do you think they should just shut up and take it in order to keep working? Are you a woman?

Woman and a former plaintiff’s lawyer

Abigail Breslin also recently spoke out. Not the first time she has either

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

I still think she has a viable retaliation claim but the full picture of her underlying complaint is going to mean it will be very hard for her to find work again.

Based on what exactly? If you call out harassers you don't deserve to work? Have you noticed all the other women speaking out saying the same thing? Kate Beckinsale is one. Women know this is happening. Do you think they should just shut up and take it in order to keep working? Are you a woman?

Woman and a former plaintiff’s lawyer

And? You don't seem to know or care about the working conditions of women in Hollywood. You just seem to find the greasy douchey Baldoni "hot" and will go to great lengths to support him.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing how showing a video of a woman giving birth is harassment in the context of a director giving direction to an actor replicating this same act. Is this not simply showing an example? Can someone explain?

For one thing, the woman in question has given birth 4 times already and said "no I don't want to watch this graphic video".

Ok that doesn’t make it pornography or sexual harassment.

The point is that it's part of a pattern. You want to nitpick one or two things while ignoring the elephant in the room.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

I still think she has a viable retaliation claim but the full picture of her underlying complaint is going to mean it will be very hard for her to find work again.

Based on what exactly? If you call out harassers you don't deserve to work? Have you noticed all the other women speaking out saying the same thing? Kate Beckinsale is one. Women know this is happening. Do you think they should just shut up and take it in order to keep working? Are you a woman?

Woman and a former plaintiff’s lawyer

And? You don't seem to know or care about the working conditions of women in Hollywood. You just seem to find the greasy douchey Baldoni "hot" and will go to great lengths to support him.

Its a man's world unfortunately

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

I still think she has a viable retaliation claim but the full picture of her underlying complaint is going to mean it will be very hard for her to find work again.

Based on what exactly? If you call out harassers you don't deserve to work? Have you noticed all the other women speaking out saying the same thing? Kate Beckinsale is one. Women know this is happening. Do you think they should just shut up and take it in order to keep working? Are you a woman?

Woman and a former plaintiff’s lawyer

And? You don't seem to know or care about the working conditions of women in Hollywood. You just seem to find the greasy douchey Baldoni "hot" and will go to great lengths to support him.

Its a man's world unfortunately

I'm not PP but as someone who tried and failed to help a secretary from a refugee camp when I was in my twenties when our boss harassed her (he targeted her because she was low socioeconomic status, I still seethe about it; this was overseas), I don't really care about the conditions of powerful women in Hollywood. And Blake Lively is powerful, married to a powerful man, and has powerful friends.