Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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But the complaint from Baldoni says there was a hired intimacy coordinator and that he worked on these scenes with that person without BL because BL said she didn’t need to meet with the person before filming started , and produced texts to that effect. And the comment about his own sexual experience came after she made a comment about her own. I don’t know - the whole thing seems off to me. I think they have to dispose all these other witnesses and then we will see.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

I still think she has a viable retaliation claim but the full picture of her underlying complaint is going to mean it will be very hard for her to find work again.

Based on what exactly? If you call out harassers you don't deserve to work? Have you noticed all the other women speaking out saying the same thing? Kate Beckinsale is one. Women know this is happening. Do you think they should just shut up and take it in order to keep working? Are you a woman?

Woman and a former plaintiff’s lawyer

And? You don't seem to know or care about the working conditions of women in Hollywood. You just seem to find the greasy douchey Baldoni "hot" and will go to great lengths to support him.

Hopefully Blake gets the big settlement she wants because her mean behavior plus her complaining will hurt her future work prospects. Everyone in Hollywood can be replaced. You see it over and over in TV shows where actors leave and are replaced with the same physical type, demeanor, and even voice.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing how showing a video of a woman giving birth is harassment in the context of a director giving direction to an actor replicating this same act. Is this not simply showing an example? Can someone explain?

For one thing, the woman in question has given birth 4 times already and said "no I don't want to watch this graphic video".

Ok that doesn’t make it pornography or sexual harassment.

I tend to think the truth is they hate each other and are both grasping at straws as to how they were both wronged. They should go to mediation. But, as a woman who has given birth with and without meds, I wouldn't know the directors vision for how in this case JB would want it portrayed. And I don’t know what birth looks like from an onlookers perspective even though I’ve actively been in labor. I think she will end up winning but more so because it sounds like they had a power struggle and he did these things as a flex. And I don’t think she’ll work for a male director again bc perhaps she doesn’t take direction well from them so they resort to petty and weird stuff to get their way.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing how showing a video of a woman giving birth is harassment in the context of a director giving direction to an actor replicating this same act. Is this not simply showing an example? Can someone explain?

For one thing, the woman in question has given birth 4 times already and said "no I don't want to watch this graphic video".

Ok that doesn’t make it pornography or sexual harassment.

I tend to think the truth is they hate each other and are both grasping at straws as to how they were both wronged. They should go to mediation. But, as a woman who has given birth with and without meds, I wouldn't know the directors vision for how in this case JB would want it portrayed. And I don’t know what birth looks like from an onlookers perspective even though I’ve actively been in labor. I think she will end up winning but more so because it sounds like they had a power struggle and he did these things as a flex. And I don’t think she’ll work for a male director again bc perhaps she doesn’t take direction well from them so they resort to petty and weird stuff to get their way.

She will be fine

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

I still think she has a viable retaliation claim but the full picture of her underlying complaint is going to mean it will be very hard for her to find work again.

Based on what exactly? If you call out harassers you don't deserve to work? Have you noticed all the other women speaking out saying the same thing? Kate Beckinsale is one. Women know this is happening. Do you think they should just shut up and take it in order to keep working? Are you a woman?

Woman and a former plaintiff’s lawyer

And? You don't seem to know or care about the working conditions of women in Hollywood. You just seem to find the greasy douchey Baldoni "hot" and will go to great lengths to support him.

Hopefully Blake gets the big settlement she wants because her mean behavior plus her complaining will hurt her future work prospects. Everyone in Hollywood can be replaced. You see it over and over in TV shows where actors leave and are replaced with the same physical type, demeanor, and even voice.

She was barely acting in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

I still think she has a viable retaliation claim but the full picture of her underlying complaint is going to mean it will be very hard for her to find work again.

Based on what exactly? If you call out harassers you don't deserve to work? Have you noticed all the other women speaking out saying the same thing? Kate Beckinsale is one. Women know this is happening. Do you think they should just shut up and take it in order to keep working? Are you a woman?

Woman and a former plaintiff’s lawyer

Abigail Breslin also recently spoke out. Not the first time she has either

Abigail Breslin did not speak about about this case.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing how showing a video of a woman giving birth is harassment in the context of a director giving direction to an actor replicating this same act. Is this not simply showing an example? Can someone explain?

For one thing, the woman in question has given birth 4 times already and said "no I don't want to watch this graphic video".

Ok that doesn’t make it pornography or sexual harassment.

The point is that it's part of a pattern. You want to nitpick one or two things while ignoring the elephant in the room.

no, stringing together multiple non-harassing things does not turn it into a pattern of sexual harassment. It turns it into a pattern of Lively distoring/exaggerating.

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She’s not exactly getting Oscar worthy parts thrown at her. She’ll be able to use this as an excuse for why the parts dried up rather than coming to the self-realization that she’s a diva with no real talent to back up those demands. She and her husband are so desperate to portray the cliquey prom king and queen with sooo many BFFs and are not self-aware enough to see they are in fact just reaffirming their shallow and self-absorbed bubble. Tone-deaf and out-of-touch.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing how showing a video of a woman giving birth is harassment in the context of a director giving direction to an actor replicating this same act. Is this not simply showing an example? Can someone explain?

For one thing, the woman in question has given birth 4 times already and said "no I don't want to watch this graphic video".

Ok that doesn’t make it pornography or sexual harassment.

The point is that it's part of a pattern. You want to nitpick one or two things while ignoring the elephant in the room.

no, stringing together multiple non-harassing things does not turn it into a pattern of sexual harassment. It turns it into a pattern of Lively distoring/exaggerating.

Ok. I'm sure we shall all defer to you and your infinite knowledge of this situation.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

I still think she has a viable retaliation claim but the full picture of her underlying complaint is going to mean it will be very hard for her to find work again.

Based on what exactly? If you call out harassers you don't deserve to work? Have you noticed all the other women speaking out saying the same thing? Kate Beckinsale is one. Women know this is happening. Do you think they should just shut up and take it in order to keep working? Are you a woman?

Woman and a former plaintiff’s lawyer

Abigail Breslin also recently spoke out. Not the first time she has either

Abigail Breslin did not speak about about this case.

Oh no? Here is what she said:

https://ew.com/abigail-breslin-blake-lively-sued-reporting-costar-unprofessional-behavior-8767740

Breslin did not mention Lively by name, but referred to "recent events regarding the attempt to destroy the career and livelihood of a fellow actress and woman."

Hmmm what could that be about?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm on Lively's side here and think Baldoni seems like he sucks, but I think NYT screwed up here. Their article felt off to me, and my sense is that it was fed to NYT by Lively's team to coincide with the complaint coming out. It was too heavy handed and putting Megan Twohey on the byline ensured it got a certain kind of attention. I suspect there was kind of a handshake between the Lively folks and NYT and they didn't go the due diligence they should have in getting Baldoni's side and reporting it neutrally.

I agree for the most part but he's going to lose. He contends the NYT uncritically pushed forward her narrative and cherry picked the facts that supported her. That's probably true. But that's not unlawful. All journalism is like that. They didn’t publish anything untrue, and as a public figure he has an even higher bar to clear. This is just an expensive way to get his story out and legitimize it.

PP here and I agree with you. I'm a lawyer and I think his case is weak on the law and precedent and that NYT will easily be able to hire the best possible 1st Amendment lawyers here.

But I just say this as someone who read the NYT piece when it came out and it immediately smelled bad to me. Like it smelled like PR plant so much that initially I was really skeptical of Lively's claims. It's a poorly sourced piece that uses too much "color" from Lively's side without offering any perspective from Baldoni or Wayfarer on those issues, and worst of all, fails to provide proper context. Like the piece should have provided more context about industry norms in order to more clearly explain what Lively was claiming. It was not until I read the full complaint that I more clearly understood Lively's claims and felt they had merit. As someone well versed in these issues, the NYT piece felt like a hit piece on Baldoni placed by Lively's people. Which is basically what it was.

NYT has a good track record on the Hollywood #metoo issues so I was particularly disappointed, and disappointed to see Twohey's byline on a piece that was so poorly written and sourced. I hope they do an internal review because I think it's an embarrassment to a paper that has a deservedly good reputation in this arena.

And yes Baldoni's PR people did the same thing to Lively over the summer but (1) that's part of why she's suing, because it's wrong, and (2) the NYT should have higher standards than Reddit and tabloid rags.

There’s a Variety article today that has more info about Baldoni’s lawsuit against the NYT. It mentions that the NYT gave them 14 hours to comment before publication and published about 2 hours before that deadline.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s not exactly getting Oscar worthy parts thrown at her. She’ll be able to use this as an excuse for why the parts dried up rather than coming to the self-realization that she’s a diva with no real talent to back up those demands. She and her husband are so desperate to portray the cliquey prom king and queen with sooo many BFFs and are not self-aware enough to see they are in fact just reaffirming their shallow and self-absorbed bubble. Tone-deaf and out-of-touch.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

I still think she has a viable retaliation claim but the full picture of her underlying complaint is going to mean it will be very hard for her to find work again.

Based on what exactly? If you call out harassers you don't deserve to work? Have you noticed all the other women speaking out saying the same thing? Kate Beckinsale is one. Women know this is happening. Do you think they should just shut up and take it in order to keep working? Are you a woman?

Nothing hurts the cause more than women who make up harassment claims.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing how showing a video of a woman giving birth is harassment in the context of a director giving direction to an actor replicating this same act. Is this not simply showing an example? Can someone explain?

For one thing, the woman in question has given birth 4 times already and said "no I don't want to watch this graphic video".

Ok that doesn’t make it pornography or sexual harassment.

The point is that it's part of a pattern. You want to nitpick one or two things while ignoring the elephant in the room.

no, stringing together multiple non-harassing things does not turn it into a pattern of sexual harassment. It turns it into a pattern of Lively distoring/exaggerating.

Agree, it just seems that she wanted to get back at him for saying less than flattering things about her. Cooler heads should have prevailed.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing how showing a video of a woman giving birth is harassment in the context of a director giving direction to an actor replicating this same act. Is this not simply showing an example? Can someone explain?

For one thing, the woman in question has given birth 4 times already and said "no I don't want to watch this graphic video".

Ok that doesn’t make it pornography or sexual harassment.

The point is that it's part of a pattern. You want to nitpick one or two things while ignoring the elephant in the room.

no, stringing together multiple non-harassing things does not turn it into a pattern of sexual harassment. It turns it into a pattern of Lively distoring/exaggerating.

Agree, it just seems that she wanted to get back at him for saying less than flattering things about her. Cooler heads should have prevailed.

It was a targeted PR attack to plant negative stories including using fake accounts and manipulation of reddit threads and is being strongly critiqued in PR circles. Redditors have noted that mentioning specific PR names tied to the case has led to sudden bot downvotes (Jed Wallace)

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/s/4bCOgQeLxr

https://www.reddit.com/r/RomanceBooks/s/5Sw05dYw3v