Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Pumping and breastfeeding are not the same! One text is not a blanket invitation to enter whenever.

As someone who pumped and BF, pumping in front a stranger is way weirder.

I wouldn't want to either, but I think because the baby is there for BF it can be more personal or at least crosses a boundary between work and family time. If she's with her baby she probably doesn't want to practice her lines or whatever Baldoni want to discuss.

Do you see all this extra explanation you are making between the two? A jury is not going to parse that deeply. It’s a sexual harassment claim- it’s about her boob exposure. This isn’t good for her.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You're jumping to conclusions about all of this and who is going to think what. But trying to say one text allowing access during pumping means access is always granted is quite a leap. Blake also complained about Covid threats to her baby so it's perfectly reasonable that she would have different expectations when her baby was present vs not.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Pumping and breastfeeding are not the same! One text is not a blanket invitation to enter whenever.

As someone who pumped and BF, pumping in front a stranger is way weirder.

I wouldn't want to either, but I think because the baby is there for BF it can be more personal or at least crosses a boundary between work and family time. If she's with her baby she probably doesn't want to practice her lines or whatever Baldoni want to discuss.

Do you see all this extra explanation you are making between the two? A jury is not going to parse that deeply. It’s a sexual harassment claim- it’s about her boob exposure. This isn’t good for her.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You're jumping to conclusions about all of this and who is going to think what. But trying to say one text allowing access during pumping means access is always granted is quite a leap. Blake also complained about Covid threats to her baby so it's perfectly reasonable that she would have different expectations when her baby was present vs not.

Ok, keep dreaming. My bet is she is going to lose. (Baldoni too for what it’s worth).

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Pumping and breastfeeding are not the same! One text is not a blanket invitation to enter whenever.

As someone who pumped and BF, pumping in front a stranger is way weirder.

I wouldn't want to either, but I think because the baby is there for BF it can be more personal or at least crosses a boundary between work and family time. If she's with her baby she probably doesn't want to practice her lines or whatever Baldoni want to discuss.

Do you see all this extra explanation you are making between the two? A jury is not going to parse that deeply. It’s a sexual harassment claim- it’s about her boob exposure. This isn’t good for her.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You're jumping to conclusions about all of this and who is going to think what. But trying to say one text allowing access during pumping means access is always granted is quite a leap. Blake also complained about Covid threats to her baby so it's perfectly reasonable that she would have different expectations when her baby was present vs not.

Ok, keep dreaming. My bet is she is going to lose. (Baldoni too for what it’s worth).

We'll see! But it looks like one has witnesses and support..... and the other doesn't.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Pumping and breastfeeding are not the same! One text is not a blanket invitation to enter whenever.

As someone who pumped and BF, pumping in front a stranger is way weirder.

I wouldn't want to either, but I think because the baby is there for BF it can be more personal or at least crosses a boundary between work and family time. If she's with her baby she probably doesn't want to practice her lines or whatever Baldoni want to discuss.

Do you see all this extra explanation you are making between the two? A jury is not going to parse that deeply. It’s a sexual harassment claim- it’s about her boob exposure. This isn’t good for her.

DP but it's only part of her claim. And not even the strongest part. The biggest issues IMO are:

(1) Baldoni and Wayfarer turning scenes that were not scripted or planned to be nude or intimate into nude or intimate scenes at the last minute, placing pressure on Lively to agree to the changes in order to avoid delays, and not following industry standards for having an intimacy coordinator onset for those scenes or a nudity rider in place for Lively.

(2) Creating a sexualized workplace by unnecessarily bringing up past sexual experiences and pornography in conversations with Lively and others on set. If Lively can prove Baldoni and his production partner did this even after Lively and others communicated that it was unwelcome, that's particularly problematic. Also the production partner showing Lively the video of his wife giving birth in the nude would fall into this category if it was done without warning and against Lively's wishes.

(3) Evidence that Baldoni repeatedly made comments about Lively and other women on set, including at least one other female cast member, regarding their bodies and attire. In Lively's complaint, this includes asking Lively to remove a sweater so that Baldoni could better see her cleavage and the shape of her body, during a cast social gathering. Lively's complaint indicates that these incidents were repetitive and that there were multiple witnesses to them.

Proving that on one occasion, Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer even though she was pumping does not undermine any of the above, especially since most of the above was documented, has been previously admitted to, or involves multiple witnesses.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Pumping and breastfeeding are not the same! One text is not a blanket invitation to enter whenever.

As someone who pumped and BF, pumping in front a stranger is way weirder.

I wouldn't want to either, but I think because the baby is there for BF it can be more personal or at least crosses a boundary between work and family time. If she's with her baby she probably doesn't want to practice her lines or whatever Baldoni want to discuss.

Do you see all this extra explanation you are making between the two? A jury is not going to parse that deeply. It’s a sexual harassment claim- it’s about her boob exposure. This isn’t good for her.

DP but it's only part of her claim. And not even the strongest part. The biggest issues IMO are:

(1) Baldoni and Wayfarer turning scenes that were not scripted or planned to be nude or intimate into nude or intimate scenes at the last minute, placing pressure on Lively to agree to the changes in order to avoid delays, and not following industry standards for having an intimacy coordinator onset for those scenes or a nudity rider in place for Lively.

(2) Creating a sexualized workplace by unnecessarily bringing up past sexual experiences and pornography in conversations with Lively and others on set. If Lively can prove Baldoni and his production partner did this even after Lively and others communicated that it was unwelcome, that's particularly problematic. Also the production partner showing Lively the video of his wife giving birth in the nude would fall into this category if it was done without warning and against Lively's wishes.

(3) Evidence that Baldoni repeatedly made comments about Lively and other women on set, including at least one other female cast member, regarding their bodies and attire. In Lively's complaint, this includes asking Lively to remove a sweater so that Baldoni could better see her cleavage and the shape of her body, during a cast social gathering. Lively's complaint indicates that these incidents were repetitive and that there were multiple witnesses to them.

Proving that on one occasion, Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer even though she was pumping does not undermine any of the above, especially since most of the above was documented, has been previously admitted to, or involves multiple witnesses.

You think he’s not going to show up with texts from her casting a ton of doubt? Some of you are really naive.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Pumping and breastfeeding are not the same! One text is not a blanket invitation to enter whenever.

As someone who pumped and BF, pumping in front a stranger is way weirder.

I wouldn't want to either, but I think because the baby is there for BF it can be more personal or at least crosses a boundary between work and family time. If she's with her baby she probably doesn't want to practice her lines or whatever Baldoni want to discuss.

Do you see all this extra explanation you are making between the two? A jury is not going to parse that deeply. It’s a sexual harassment claim- it’s about her boob exposure. This isn’t good for her.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You're jumping to conclusions about all of this and who is going to think what. But trying to say one text allowing access during pumping means access is always granted is quite a leap. Blake also complained about Covid threats to her baby so it's perfectly reasonable that she would have different expectations when her baby was present vs not.

Ok, keep dreaming. My bet is she is going to lose. (Baldoni too for what it’s worth).

We'll see! But it looks like one has witnesses and support..... and the other doesn't.

Notably her “support” doesnt actually go so far as to say that they observed what she complains about.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Pumping and breastfeeding are not the same! One text is not a blanket invitation to enter whenever.

As someone who pumped and BF, pumping in front a stranger is way weirder.

I wouldn't want to either, but I think because the baby is there for BF it can be more personal or at least crosses a boundary between work and family time. If she's with her baby she probably doesn't want to practice her lines or whatever Baldoni want to discuss.

Do you see all this extra explanation you are making between the two? A jury is not going to parse that deeply. It’s a sexual harassment claim- it’s about her boob exposure. This isn’t good for her.

DP but it's only part of her claim. And not even the strongest part. The biggest issues IMO are:

(1) Baldoni and Wayfarer turning scenes that were not scripted or planned to be nude or intimate into nude or intimate scenes at the last minute, placing pressure on Lively to agree to the changes in order to avoid delays, and not following industry standards for having an intimacy coordinator onset for those scenes or a nudity rider in place for Lively.

(2) Creating a sexualized workplace by unnecessarily bringing up past sexual experiences and pornography in conversations with Lively and others on set. If Lively can prove Baldoni and his production partner did this even after Lively and others communicated that it was unwelcome, that's particularly problematic. Also the production partner showing Lively the video of his wife giving birth in the nude would fall into this category if it was done without warning and against Lively's wishes.

(3) Evidence that Baldoni repeatedly made comments about Lively and other women on set, including at least one other female cast member, regarding their bodies and attire. In Lively's complaint, this includes asking Lively to remove a sweater so that Baldoni could better see her cleavage and the shape of her body, during a cast social gathering. Lively's complaint indicates that these incidents were repetitive and that there were multiple witnesses to them.

Proving that on one occasion, Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer even though she was pumping does not undermine any of the above, especially since most of the above was documented, has been previously admitted to, or involves multiple witnesses.

You think he’s not going to show up with texts from her casting a ton of doubt? Some of you are really naive.

I think he's not. His lawyer promised us it would "shock everyone". It's not very shocking. He went after the NYT and he didn't even point out their errors. It's a shoot the messenger problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Pumping and breastfeeding are not the same! One text is not a blanket invitation to enter whenever.

As someone who pumped and BF, pumping in front a stranger is way weirder.

I wouldn't want to either, but I think because the baby is there for BF it can be more personal or at least crosses a boundary between work and family time. If she's with her baby she probably doesn't want to practice her lines or whatever Baldoni want to discuss.

Do you see all this extra explanation you are making between the two? A jury is not going to parse that deeply. It’s a sexual harassment claim- it’s about her boob exposure. This isn’t good for her.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You're jumping to conclusions about all of this and who is going to think what. But trying to say one text allowing access during pumping means access is always granted is quite a leap. Blake also complained about Covid threats to her baby so it's perfectly reasonable that she would have different expectations when her baby was present vs not.

Ok, keep dreaming. My bet is she is going to lose. (Baldoni too for what it’s worth).

We'll see! But it looks like one has witnesses and support..... and the other doesn't.

Notably her “support” doesnt actually go so far as to say that they observed what she complains about.

And his support says what? Not even a "Justin is a really great guy!" Just, crickets.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

No, very few of her claims come down to her credibility. The question of when the decision was made for Lively to be nude in the birth scene and whether the intimacy coordinator was consulted or on set, and whether a nudity rider was in place, has nothing to do with Lively's credibility. These are procedural questions. The same with any of Baldoni's or his partner's behavior that was seen by multiple members of the cast and crew. If multiple people can testify that Baldoni's partner was showing a video of his wife giving birth naked on set, that is factual and not dependent on Lively's credibility. If multiple people can testify that Baldoni and his partner often brought up sex, pornography, the physical attributes of women on set, and how "hot" or "sexy" these women were, then that does not come down to Lively's credibility.

I think some of you are assuming this case is similar to the Amber Heard and Johnny Depp. But it's very fundamentally different. This is not a domestic abuse case. This pertains to workplace behavior and the vast majority of what Lively is alleging involves a set full of people observing Baldoni's behavior, or has to do with whether they followed industry-standard procedures for filming intimate scenes. It is much less subjective and involves contractual obligations. You are fixating on the handful of subjective, private interactions Lively alleges in her complaint but those are among the least significant things she's alleging.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Pumping and breastfeeding are not the same! One text is not a blanket invitation to enter whenever.

As someone who pumped and BF, pumping in front a stranger is way weirder.

I wouldn't want to either, but I think because the baby is there for BF it can be more personal or at least crosses a boundary between work and family time. If she's with her baby she probably doesn't want to practice her lines or whatever Baldoni want to discuss.

Do you see all this extra explanation you are making between the two? A jury is not going to parse that deeply. It’s a sexual harassment claim- it’s about her boob exposure. This isn’t good for her.

DP but it's only part of her claim. And not even the strongest part. The biggest issues IMO are:

(1) Baldoni and Wayfarer turning scenes that were not scripted or planned to be nude or intimate into nude or intimate scenes at the last minute, placing pressure on Lively to agree to the changes in order to avoid delays, and not following industry standards for having an intimacy coordinator onset for those scenes or a nudity rider in place for Lively.

(2) Creating a sexualized workplace by unnecessarily bringing up past sexual experiences and pornography in conversations with Lively and others on set. If Lively can prove Baldoni and his production partner did this even after Lively and others communicated that it was unwelcome, that's particularly problematic. Also the production partner showing Lively the video of his wife giving birth in the nude would fall into this category if it was done without warning and against Lively's wishes.

(3) Evidence that Baldoni repeatedly made comments about Lively and other women on set, including at least one other female cast member, regarding their bodies and attire. In Lively's complaint, this includes asking Lively to remove a sweater so that Baldoni could better see her cleavage and the shape of her body, during a cast social gathering. Lively's complaint indicates that these incidents were repetitive and that there were multiple witnesses to them.

Proving that on one occasion, Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer even though she was pumping does not undermine any of the above, especially since most of the above was documented, has been previously admitted to, or involves multiple witnesses.

You think he’s not going to show up with texts from her casting a ton of doubt? Some of you are really naive.

No, I do not think he's going to be able to produce texts from Lively that show her waiving the nudity rider or stating she was very comfortable with the nudity in the birth scene or exonerating him from allegations about sexual comments made on and off set to both Lively and other cast and crew.

I think Baldoni has likely already released the best evidence he has to contradict Lively's claims, and most of what she's alleging has gone unaddressed.

I think it's going to be very hard for Baldoni and Wayfarer to combat the allegations about the environment they conducted on set, especially since multiple other people on set look prepared to testify to back up Lively's claims. That is very damning. If Baldoni cannot show that they followed normal procedure for the nude and intimate scenes and other members of the cast and crew back up the claims about the sexual comments from Baldoni and his production partner, they have a serious problem. And they know it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Pumping and breastfeeding are not the same! One text is not a blanket invitation to enter whenever.

As someone who pumped and BF, pumping in front a stranger is way weirder.

I wouldn't want to either, but I think because the baby is there for BF it can be more personal or at least crosses a boundary between work and family time. If she's with her baby she probably doesn't want to practice her lines or whatever Baldoni want to discuss.

Do you see all this extra explanation you are making between the two? A jury is not going to parse that deeply. It’s a sexual harassment claim- it’s about her boob exposure. This isn’t good for her.

DP but it's only part of her claim. And not even the strongest part. The biggest issues IMO are:

(1) Baldoni and Wayfarer turning scenes that were not scripted or planned to be nude or intimate into nude or intimate scenes at the last minute, placing pressure on Lively to agree to the changes in order to avoid delays, and not following industry standards for having an intimacy coordinator onset for those scenes or a nudity rider in place for Lively.

(2) Creating a sexualized workplace by unnecessarily bringing up past sexual experiences and pornography in conversations with Lively and others on set. If Lively can prove Baldoni and his production partner did this even after Lively and others communicated that it was unwelcome, that's particularly problematic. Also the production partner showing Lively the video of his wife giving birth in the nude would fall into this category if it was done without warning and against Lively's wishes.

(3) Evidence that Baldoni repeatedly made comments about Lively and other women on set, including at least one other female cast member, regarding their bodies and attire. In Lively's complaint, this includes asking Lively to remove a sweater so that Baldoni could better see her cleavage and the shape of her body, during a cast social gathering. Lively's complaint indicates that these incidents were repetitive and that there were multiple witnesses to them.

Proving that on one occasion, Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer even though she was pumping does not undermine any of the above, especially since most of the above was documented, has been previously admitted to, or involves multiple witnesses.

You think he’s not going to show up with texts from her casting a ton of doubt? Some of you are really naive.

I think he's not. His lawyer promised us it would "shock everyone". It's not very shocking. He went after the NYT and he didn't even point out their errors. It's a shoot the messenger problem.

+1 The only shocking thing is the producer was handling the disputes but not relying decisions back to Justin.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Agree those texts would show that on that specific occasion, Baldoni had a kind of invitation to her trailer and also indicate that Lively did not seem concerned about being seen pumping or breastfeeding (IME it is harder to conceal your boobs while pumping than while nursing, and I personally find pumping to be a more awkward experience during which to interact with another person).

However, that doesn't undermine Lively's complaint that much. She's alleging a pattern of harassing behavior. Even if the court or a jury finds that Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer on that occasion, or that Lively was comfortable with him nearby while nursing or pumping, there are a bunch of other claims in her complaint that would be unaffected by that defense. For instance, Lively reports being pressured to do scenes nude or partially nude that were not originally written that way and for which the intimacy coordinator had not been consulted and there were no nudity riders in place. She also reports that Baldoni went "off script" in scenes not written to be intimate in nature (for instance a scene in which they were dancing together and that was filmed without audio) and engaged in intimate activity with Lively without the intimacy coordinator or cleaning that with Lively in advance so that she could prepare and feel comfortable. She also alleges that both she and her staff were shown videos of a naked woman giving birth, without their consent, engaged in conversations about porn and sexual experiences, and that Baldoni on multiple occasions off the set made comments about Lively's body and clothing that was sexual in nature.

Baldoni's complaint does not address all of these and most of them have multiple witnesses and documentation to support the claims.

So even if Baldoni had permission to enter Lively's trailer while she was pumping, that doesn't disprove her entire complaint.

Most of these claims will come down to credibility. She’s going to have a much harder time than many of her supporters are willing to admit.

I still think she has a viable retaliation claim but the full picture of her underlying complaint is going to mean it will be very hard for her to find work again.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more.

Pumping and breastfeeding are not the same! One text is not a blanket invitation to enter whenever.

As someone who pumped and BF, pumping in front a stranger is way weirder.

I wouldn't want to either, but I think because the baby is there for BF it can be more personal or at least crosses a boundary between work and family time. If she's with her baby she probably doesn't want to practice her lines or whatever Baldoni want to discuss.

Do you see all this extra explanation you are making between the two? A jury is not going to parse that deeply. It’s a sexual harassment claim- it’s about her boob exposure. This isn’t good for her.

DP but it's only part of her claim. And not even the strongest part. The biggest issues IMO are:

(1) Baldoni and Wayfarer turning scenes that were not scripted or planned to be nude or intimate into nude or intimate scenes at the last minute, placing pressure on Lively to agree to the changes in order to avoid delays, and not following industry standards for having an intimacy coordinator onset for those scenes or a nudity rider in place for Lively.

(2) Creating a sexualized workplace by unnecessarily bringing up past sexual experiences and pornography in conversations with Lively and others on set. If Lively can prove Baldoni and his production partner did this even after Lively and others communicated that it was unwelcome, that's particularly problematic. Also the production partner showing Lively the video of his wife giving birth in the nude would fall into this category if it was done without warning and against Lively's wishes.

(3) Evidence that Baldoni repeatedly made comments about Lively and other women on set, including at least one other female cast member, regarding their bodies and attire. In Lively's complaint, this includes asking Lively to remove a sweater so that Baldoni could better see her cleavage and the shape of her body, during a cast social gathering. Lively's complaint indicates that these incidents were repetitive and that there were multiple witnesses to them.

Proving that on one occasion, Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer even though she was pumping does not undermine any of the above, especially since most of the above was documented, has been previously admitted to, or involves multiple witnesses.

You think he’s not going to show up with texts from her casting a ton of doubt? Some of you are really naive.

No, I do not think he's going to be able to produce texts from Lively that show her waiving the nudity rider or stating she was very comfortable with the nudity in the birth scene or exonerating him from allegations about sexual comments made on and off set to both Lively and other cast and crew.

I think Baldoni has likely already released the best evidence he has to contradict Lively's claims, and most of what she's alleging has gone unaddressed.

I think it's going to be very hard for Baldoni and Wayfarer to combat the allegations about the environment they conducted on set, especially since multiple other people on set look prepared to testify to back up Lively's claims. That is very damning. If Baldoni cannot show that they followed normal procedure for the nude and intimate scenes and other members of the cast and crew back up the claims about the sexual comments from Baldoni and his production partner, they have a serious problem. And they know it.

lol Baldoni hasn’t even done any discovery yet … how can you say he’s released the “best evidence”? all of her emails and texts are now fair game.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m not making any judgments until the whole story is out. At this point it feels like this is two powerful people who didn’t get along but have too much at stake to just move on like the rest of us would.

Did you see this part (excerpt from People):

“For example, the Times article wrote that ‘[Baldoni] repeatedly entered [Lively's] makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’

However, Baldoni's complaint shows alleged text messages from Lively that read, ‘I’m just pumping in my trailer if you wanna work out our lines.’ Baldoni responded, ‘Copy. Eating with crew and will head that way,’ which the lawsuit claims shows Baldoni did not enter uninvited.

It’s not fair to want to normalize breastfeeding/pumping (it’s just feeding your kid!) but then also ascribe it a sexual component. How would anyone understand how to behave there? I think a lot of her sexual harassment claims could be similarly NBD. Like when she says he hired his friend for some intimate scene. Is that a problem if the friend is a professional? Everyone knows everyone in Hollywood. What did this “friend” or JB do to make this problematic? There has to be more. [/quote]

Pumping and breastfeeding are not the same! One text is not a blanket invitation to enter whenever.[/quote]

As someone who pumped and BF, pumping in front a stranger is way weirder.[/quote]

I wouldn't want to either, but I think because the baby is there for BF it can be more personal or at least crosses a boundary between work and family time. If she's with her baby she probably doesn't want to practice her lines or whatever Baldoni want to discuss.[/quote]

Do you see all this extra explanation you are making between the two? A jury is not going to parse that deeply. It’s a sexual harassment claim- it’s about her boob exposure. This isn’t good for her. [/quote]

DP but it's only part of her claim. And not even the strongest part. The biggest issues IMO are:

(1) Baldoni and Wayfarer turning scenes that were not scripted or planned to be nude or intimate into nude or intimate scenes at the last minute, placing pressure on Lively to agree to the changes in order to avoid delays, and not following industry standards for having an intimacy coordinator onset for those scenes or a nudity rider in place for Lively.

(2) Creating a sexualized workplace by unnecessarily bringing up past sexual experiences and pornography in conversations with Lively and others on set. If Lively can prove Baldoni and his production partner did this even after Lively and others communicated that it was unwelcome, that's particularly problematic. Also the production partner showing Lively the video of his wife giving birth in the nude would fall into this category if it was done without warning and against Lively's wishes.

(3) Evidence that Baldoni repeatedly made comments about Lively and other women on set, including at least one other female cast member, regarding their bodies and attire. In Lively's complaint, this includes asking Lively to remove a sweater so that Baldoni could better see her cleavage and the shape of her body, during a cast social gathering. Lively's complaint indicates that these incidents were repetitive and that there were multiple witnesses to them.

Proving that on one occasion, Baldoni had permission to enter her trailer even though she was pumping does not undermine any of the above, especially since most of the above was documented, has been previously admitted to, or involves multiple witnesses.[/quote]

You think he’s not going to show up with texts from her casting a ton of doubt? Some of you are really naive.[/quote]

No, I do not think he's going to be able to produce texts from Lively that show her waiving the nudity rider or stating she was very comfortable with the nudity in the birth scene or exonerating him from allegations about sexual comments made on and off set to both Lively and other cast and crew.

I think Baldoni has likely already released the best evidence he has to contradict Lively's claims, and most of what she's alleging has gone unaddressed.

I think it's going to be very hard for Baldoni and Wayfarer to combat the allegations about the environment they conducted on set, especially since multiple other people on set look prepared to testify to back up Lively's claims. That is very damning. If Baldoni cannot show that they followed normal procedure for the nude and intimate scenes and other members of the cast and crew back up the claims about the sexual comments from Baldoni and his production partner, they have a serious problem. And they know it.[/quote]

I absolutely think JB is going to produce texts from BL acting like the cool, sexy girl who isn’t worried about such things, yes.