Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of visceral Heard hatred in this thread (and over sympathy for Depp) is making it pretty unreadable for me. It sounds to me like he slapped her a bunch of times, punched the walls around her, destroyed property around her (glass, bottles) in a way that didn't show any concern by whether she was hurt by it. It sounds like the classic cycle of abuse, amped up by addictions. It's very strange to me how so many of you want to believe in him, either through fandom, or misogyny, or some belief she was out for his money, etc.

Sure, women can abuse men. But men hopped up on coke and alcohol often do get violent and abuse women and do things they don't necessarily remember later. Heard doesn't just describe one incident, she describes several, and she did tell other people around her at the time what was going on (and folks like her therapist do substantiate that).

To me, this is just demonstrating that Heard was right all along (well, the ACLU was, presumably) in that the system bends over backwards to protect men, and doesn't do much for women. He's suing her! What a crazy power imbalance. He showed up late and drugged up to sets for years, costing millions of dollars of losses on set like a total diva, but when he loses his jobs he says it's because of Heard!

She tried to help him get clean and tried to get him out of his behaviors and on to sets on time. She discouraged his worse drug use and recognized its effects on his kids when he was too blotto to see it. But somehow he takes ZERO responsibility for his job loss, and sends it all to her.

Most of you guys live in some weird parallel universe where this is all right and he is a good guy. The media is excoriating him for a reason. He seems pretty awful to me.

I agree with this except the second to last paragraph. He is gross and violent. She’s gross and a victim of abuse. Just because you stay and fight back or even instigate does not mean it never happened.

I don’t believe she tried to help him on any way but that is irrelevant.

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Is she really doing a “bump”? Unreal.

No way. I can’t believe it’s coke.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a very good read of whether or not people are lying (I spend a lot of time at the negotiation table), and my uncanny valley alarm was going off constantly watching Amber Heard testify. That is pretty evil to be lying so much to the world about someone. And I’m not even a Johnny Depp fan.

Have you spent any amount of time with drug addicts???? I have. Everything that Amber explained about JPs behavior, the ups and downs, the foggy memory, his bizzare behavior (dissapearing, mood swings), etc. CLASSIC behavior of an addict. Which he has admitted to that and has been in rehab for.

The people that work FOR him, knew him like that....so, sadly, his behavior wasn't shocking to them.

Was she a bit crazy then?, yes, a liar about she lived with him? No. She was in her mid 20s dealing with an old drug addict. He's gross.

Not the PP, but I have spent a lot of time around drug addicts and unfortunately have 3 close family members who suffer from addiction (one active, two in recovery). She is very believable when she speaks about his addiction. However, when she starts talking about him physically abusing her, that’s when she starts really over acting and becomes unbelievable. Let us not forget she is abusive towards him physically and emotionally. Almost every tape I heard with her speaking to Johnny Depp, she sounds hammered. They are both screwed up, he is an addict and has admitted to it, but she is trying to coming off like little miss perfect.

Yup. I don’t think every word out of her mouth is a lie. Not at all. I believe her about several things because they ring true (his addictions although she was awfully innocent about her own constant drug use and his jealousy) but the physical abuse stories lose me completely. Her pictures do not match up to what she alleges. I certainly hope that isn’t the best she’s got because it isn’t enough for me. Whether it will be for the jury is up to the jury.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of visceral Heard hatred in this thread (and over sympathy for Depp) is making it pretty unreadable for me. It sounds to me like he slapped her a bunch of times, punched the walls around her, destroyed property around her (glass, bottles) in a way that didn't show any concern by whether she was hurt by it. It sounds like the classic cycle of abuse, amped up by addictions. It's very strange to me how so many of you want to believe in him, either through fandom, or misogyny, or some belief she was out for his money, etc.

Sure, women can abuse men. But men hopped up on coke and alcohol often do get violent and abuse women and do things they don't necessarily remember later. Heard doesn't just describe one incident, she describes several, and she did tell other people around her at the time what was going on (and folks like her therapist do substantiate that).

To me, this is just demonstrating that Heard was right all along (well, the ACLU was, presumably) in that the system bends over backwards to protect men, and doesn't do much for women. He's suing her! What a crazy power imbalance. He showed up late and drugged up to sets for years, costing millions of dollars of losses on set like a total diva, but when he loses his jobs he says it's because of Heard!

She tried to help him get clean and tried to get him out of his behaviors and on to sets on time. She discouraged his worse drug use and recognized its effects on his kids when he was too blotto to see it. But somehow he takes ZERO responsibility for his job loss, and sends it all to her.

Most of you guys live in some weird parallel universe where this is all right and he is a good guy. The media is excoriating him for a reason. He seems pretty awful to me.

Interesting take that you’re ignoring her abuse of him. This was a mutually abusive relationship. Neither were victims and a gross overreach to try and wrap this into MeToo. It’s interesting to see how many people are like you that are so surface level.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of visceral Heard hatred in this thread (and over sympathy for Depp) is making it pretty unreadable for me. It sounds to me like he slapped her a bunch of times, punched the walls around her, destroyed property around her (glass, bottles) in a way that didn't show any concern by whether she was hurt by it. It sounds like the classic cycle of abuse, amped up by addictions. It's very strange to me how so many of you want to believe in him, either through fandom, or misogyny, or some belief she was out for his money, etc.

Sure, women can abuse men. But men hopped up on coke and alcohol often do get violent and abuse women and do things they don't necessarily remember later. Heard doesn't just describe one incident, she describes several, and she did tell other people around her at the time what was going on (and folks like her therapist do substantiate that).

To me, this is just demonstrating that Heard was right all along (well, the ACLU was, presumably) in that the system bends over backwards to protect men, and doesn't do much for women. He's suing her! What a crazy power imbalance. He showed up late and drugged up to sets for years, costing millions of dollars of losses on set like a total diva, but when he loses his jobs he says it's because of Heard!

She tried to help him get clean and tried to get him out of his behaviors and on to sets on time. She discouraged his worse drug use and recognized its effects on his kids when he was too blotto to see it. But somehow he takes ZERO responsibility for his job loss, and sends it all to her.

Most of you guys live in some weird parallel universe where this is all right and he is a good guy. The media is excoriating him for a reason. He seems pretty awful to me.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of visceral Heard hatred in this thread (and over sympathy for Depp) is making it pretty unreadable for me. It sounds to me like he slapped her a bunch of times, punched the walls around her, destroyed property around her (glass, bottles) in a way that didn't show any concern by whether she was hurt by it. It sounds like the classic cycle of abuse, amped up by addictions. It's very strange to me how so many of you want to believe in him, either through fandom, or misogyny, or some belief she was out for his money, etc.

Sure, women can abuse men. But men hopped up on coke and alcohol often do get violent and abuse women and do things they don't necessarily remember later. Heard doesn't just describe one incident, she describes several, and she did tell other people around her at the time what was going on (and folks like her therapist do substantiate that).

To me, this is just demonstrating that Heard was right all along (well, the ACLU was, presumably) in that the system bends over backwards to protect men, and doesn't do much for women. He's suing her! What a crazy power imbalance. He showed up late and drugged up to sets for years, costing millions of dollars of losses on set like a total diva, but when he loses his jobs he says it's because of Heard!

She tried to help him get clean and tried to get him out of his behaviors and on to sets on time. She discouraged his worse drug use and recognized its effects on his kids when he was too blotto to see it. But somehow he takes ZERO responsibility for his job loss, and sends it all to her.

Most of you guys live in some weird parallel universe where this is all right and he is a good guy. The media is excoriating him for a reason. He seems pretty awful to me.

I agree with this except the second to last paragraph. He is gross and violent. She’s gross and a victim of abuse. Just because you stay and fight back or even instigate does not mean it never happened.

I don’t believe she tried to help him on any way but that is irrelevant.

She is also a perpetrator of violence. Don’t minimize her behavior because she is a woman.

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My comment did not post. I agree with the quoted above. JD appears to be a borderline sociopath intent on destroying AH.

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Anonymous wrote:Wtf!!!

Is she really doing a “bump”? Unreal.

No way. I can’t believe it’s coke.

It certainly looks like she is. Odd way to “blow” your nose.

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Anonymous wrote:Media headlines are eviscerating him. I have to wonder if the reporters have watched a substantial part of the trial, or if they just don't care.

Is there any evidence of him physically abusing her? I know there is evidence of her confessing to hitting him, and evidence of her verbal abuse of him, as well as mocking him when passed out with photos of him at his lowest, often staging the scene in embarrassing ways (ie: the ice cream).

She just hired a new PR team and they are likely working overtime.

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Does anyone know if and how — legally— the Kate Moss mention comes in legally.

Does the alleged abuse of AH’s first wife come into play?

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I do think that Johnny did not intend to do anything bad.

But if he has some addictions (which Dr. Kipper confirmed in his testimony and into a doc introduced into evidence), then Johnny may have done some bad things that he did not intend to do (and does not remember now). Drug addiction is a very difficult situation, and so sad.

That absolutely does not excuse his behavior.

He brought the suit. He sued over an extremely vague op Ed. Now rhe stuff about him raping her with a bottle is all over the news. And that's 100% his fault.

For that reason, I believe her. She kept things quiet and wrote an Op Ed that made no specific allegations about him. If she'd been trying to destroy him, these details would have come out earlier.

But this is about him trying to destroy her. And look, it's working

Emotionally he did and has destroyed her. He, on the other hand, does not remember s*th and will move on. He's rich!

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Most of you guys live in some weird parallel universe where this is all right and he is a good guy. The media is excoriating him for a reason. He seems pretty awful to me.

Maybe we hold higher standards for women than you.

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Anonymous wrote:Are Amber Heard's lawyers any good? As a layperson when I watch them and they don't seem to be any good at connecting with the witnesses. They are very aggressive.

They’re all his witnesses so far. Why would they be trying to establish a connection?!

Of course her attorneys are good.

Yes, the Tik Tok stuff is ridiculous. Her lawyers have done fine. A lot of the criticism is coming from people who only have seen lawyers on TV and that's not how it works at all.

And yes, you approach a witness differently on cross examination. The rules are quote literally different regarding how you can ask them questions.

So it’s normal for a lawyer to object to their own question?

They were objecting to the answer. That is absolutely 100% a fine thing to do. It instructs the jury they aren't supposed to consider the statement by the witness.

A witness can give a hearsay answer, for instance, to a question that doesn't elicit hearsay. The questioner absolutely can object.

Well, even the judge was like “you asked the question”. It’s not a common thing at all and was widely perceived as a blunder. You’re supposed to be able to control your witness on cross so this doesn’t happen. He looked pretty silly and I think he knew it.

But the ridicule is just plain wrong. And objections that are overruled aren't rare at all. Jumping on a single moment like that is just silly. It's a weeks long trial, people misspell.

The idea that you're supposed to control a witness on cross is also highly u realistic. It's cross, it's not your witness, they're often going to try to undermine the questioner.

Yeaaaaaa this is also the same team that didn’t bother to research the makeup their client claimed to use to cover bruising. She was an expert in covering up those bruises with this makeup…that didn’t exist at the time… Great lawyers PP.

They haven’t presented their side of the case yet. People are freaking out about the makeup on the internet and no one has said much of anything about the makeup in actual court. This case is not being litigated on the internet.

So a lawyer should only be good while presenting their side of the case? No other times?

And the makeup was a big deal because it was a major lie that they were caught in out of the gate. This wasn’t a misstep in the middle of a long trial. This was their first attempt to discuss their position and they couldn’t start with the truth.

Caught lying by who? The media? You’re jumping the gun on all of this. Wait for what happens when it’s actual testimony that can be impeached.

the make up thing is stupid- it was proffered as an example; it is highly likely that while the exact compact for sale and in use in 2013-2015 is not for sale today (!), Milani or some other manufacturer sold a consealor compact very similar to what the lawyer brought forth. If Ms. Heard did use a compact 7-9 yrs ago, it was probably used up and tossed out, so not around today.

No, the problem is not that this kind of makeup existed once and now it doesn't.
It's the opposite: it exists now and didn't exist then.

consealor has been around forever- curious if AH as an actress knows as much about make up as she does about clothing, hair and flooring. Am curious if she will address this, but it does not make or break the defamation case.

Itt's a compact correcting concealer that hasn't been in mainstream production or usage until recently. She'd definitely remember what she used in the past, because women remember what works on their faces.
I agree that it doesn't make or break the defamation case. In addition to her some of her other claims, it just shows that she's a lier.

Beyond the whole issue of concealer if you are punched in the face and have a broken nose no amount of concealer is going to disguise the swelling. And no, icing it all night like she claimed she did before going on the James Cordon show looking stunning will NOT make the swelling go down in 24 hours. I can’t believe anyone finds that credible.

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Anonymous wrote:Wtf!!!

Is she really doing a “bump”? Unreal.

No way. I can’t believe it’s coke.

It certainly looks like she is. Odd way to “blow” your nose.

It could be Vicks or something to help her produce tears. I read that is an actor’s trick.

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Most of you guys live in some weird parallel universe where this is all right and he is a good guy. The media is excoriating him for a reason. He seems pretty awful to me.

Maybe we hold higher standards for women than you.

LOL, she just hired a brand new PR team and they have kicked into gear. I can’t believe anyone still thinks the media is reporting anything honestly.