Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This outlook that any education policy change that results in a higher proportion of low income Black and Hispanic in elite programs is racist simply because there is less high income Asians is terrible.

+1

There’s a difference between a truly race-neutral process and one that is superficially race-neutral but clearly motivated by a desire to favor certain racial groups over others in order to achieve a particular racial mix.

The TJ admissions changes fall in the latter category. I would not be surprised if the new process is invalidated at some point with FCPS ordered to go back to the drawing board.

As long as back to the drawing board means closing TJ

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:#1 ranked high school in Washington DC,
Benjamin Banneker Academy High School has 72% black and 2% Asian.

Are a certain group overrepresented there?

Washington DC is nearly 50% Black so it's not outlandish that the school is 72% Black. DC is about 5% Asian.

On the other hand, Fairfax County is about 20% Asian and 10% Black. TJ currently is 65% Asian, which is over triple the average Asian demographics of Fairfax County.

Only one of these cases could be considered as having an overrepresented group, and it's not Black kids in DC for goodness' sake.

72% Blacks at one school is not considered over-represented but a 65% Asian at another school is?

The PP’s point was just that Banneker’s demographics are much closer to the demographics of DC than TJ’s are to the demographics of Fairfax, which is plainly correct.

Are you proposing we bus white and Asian students from Fairfax to DC to equalize the demographics? I didn’t think so.

Are you trying to illustrate the fundamental problem with disparate income doctrine, which is that no one can ever agree on the baseline? Good job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Low income asian americans in the lowest quartile make about $17k per year

https://www.cepr.net/a-brief-look-at-low-income-asian-americans-and-pacific-islanders/

Unless race-based admissions are completely eradicated, in compliance with the supreme court ban, and replaced with socio-economic merit based criteria many low income asians are denied their right to education

Yet, we never hear low income Asians Americans asking for a helping hand in school or college admissions. I assume the modest $17k goes to their kids education first, followed by food, shelter, and clothing. Respect to the low income students who earn their spot, instead of asking for it.

Supreme court has ruled; no racial preference, and the law stands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Low income asian americans in the lowest quartile make about $17k per year

https://www.cepr.net/a-brief-look-at-low-income-asian-americans-and-pacific-islanders/

Unless race-based admissions are completely eradicated, in compliance with the supreme court ban, and replaced with socio-economic merit based criteria many low income asians are denied their right to education

Yet, we never hear low income Asians Americans asking for a helping hand in school or college admissions. I assume the modest $17k goes to their kids education first, followed by food, shelter, and clothing. Respect to the low income students who earn their spot, instead of asking for it.

Supreme court has ruled; no racial preference, and the law stands.

I was a low income Asian immigrant. I was able to go to college for free because I was a free lunch kid. Dh was also a scholarship kid. We now have a seven figure income. I truly don’t understand why black Americans or Hispanics got a college boost. Blacks have no language barrier. Spanish is much more similar to the English language than all Asian languages with a different alphabet. I learned to speak English by watching tv. I read a lot during summers because I had nothing else to do.

I translated for my parents and filled out their forms since I was in elementary school. I still fill out all their forms for them and they call me for help. Because they required my help early on, it made me independent at an early age.

[Anonymous]

good point! In this country, no one owes you anything. You have to earn everything by yourself.

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I was a low income Asian immigrant. I was able to go to college for free because I was a free lunch kid. Dh was also a scholarship kid. We now have a seven figure income. I truly don’t understand why black Americans or Hispanics got a college boost. Blacks have no language barrier. Spanish is much more similar to the English language than all Asian languages with a different alphabet. I learned to speak English by watching tv. I read a lot during summers because I had nothing else to do.

I translated for my parents and filled out their forms since I was in elementary school. I still fill out all their forms for them and they call me for help. Because they required my help early on, it made me independent at an early age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:#1 ranked high school in Washington DC,
Benjamin Banneker Academy High School has 72% black and 2% Asian.

Are a certain group overrepresented there?

Washington DC is nearly 50% Black so it's not outlandish that the school is 72% Black. DC is about 5% Asian.

On the other hand, Fairfax County is about 20% Asian and 10% Black. TJ currently is 65% Asian, which is over triple the average Asian demographics of Fairfax County.

Only one of these cases could be considered as having an overrepresented group, and it's not Black kids in DC for goodness' sake.

72% Blacks at one school is not considered over-represented but a 65% Asian at another school is?

Of the 54,066 schools in the US, over 3,158 schools have more than 75 percent black students and less than 1 percent Asian American students. When this over-representation of Black students at these numerous schools is not seen as a problem, why is an Asian American majority at ONE school, TJ, (not two, not three, just one school) a hard visual to accept? How are the current efforts by school board, politicians, interest groups, etc to reduce the Asian American students "over-representation" deliberately not flat out racist? Of course supreme court has banned race manipulation of student admissions, but what started the consolidated attack on Asian American minority at one school when every other minority race students are over-represented at thousands of US schools?

[Anonymous]

equity kids always looking for a handout. Sorry equity kids, gravy train is over

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:#1 ranked high school in Washington DC,
Benjamin Banneker Academy High School has 72% black and 2% Asian.

Are a certain group overrepresented there?

Washington DC is nearly 50% Black so it's not outlandish that the school is 72% Black. DC is about 5% Asian.

On the other hand, Fairfax County is about 20% Asian and 10% Black. TJ currently is 65% Asian, which is over triple the average Asian demographics of Fairfax County.

Only one of these cases could be considered as having an overrepresented group, and it's not Black kids in DC for goodness' sake.

72% Blacks at one school is not considered over-represented but a 65% Asian at another school is?

Of the 54,066 schools in the US, over 3,158 schools have more than 75 percent black students and less than 1 percent Asian American students. When this over-representation of Black students at these numerous schools is not seen as a problem, why is an Asian American majority at ONE school, TJ, (not two, not three, just one school) a hard visual to accept? How are the current efforts by school board, politicians, interest groups, etc to reduce the Asian American students "over-representation" deliberately not flat out racist? Of course supreme court has banned race manipulation of student admissions, but what started the consolidated attack on Asian American minority at one school when every other minority race students are over-represented at thousands of US schools?

JFC. I'm not even going to bother explaining to you the definition of statistical overrepresentation because you probably won't understand it. Black kids are not overrepresented at those schools. You're embarrassing yourself here on a board discussing AAP. Clearly you aren't qualified to have any say or vote in this if you can't understand the fundamentals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:#1 ranked high school in Washington DC,
Benjamin Banneker Academy High School has 72% black and 2% Asian.

Are a certain group overrepresented there?

Washington DC is nearly 50% Black so it's not outlandish that the school is 72% Black. DC is about 5% Asian.

On the other hand, Fairfax County is about 20% Asian and 10% Black. TJ currently is 65% Asian, which is over triple the average Asian demographics of Fairfax County.

Only one of these cases could be considered as having an overrepresented group, and it's not Black kids in DC for goodness' sake.

72% Blacks at one school is not considered over-represented but a 65% Asian at another school is?

Of the 54,066 schools in the US, over 3,158 schools have more than 75 percent black students and less than 1 percent Asian American students. When this over-representation of Black students at these numerous schools is not seen as a problem, why is an Asian American majority at ONE school, TJ, (not two, not three, just one school) a hard visual to accept? How are the current efforts by school board, politicians, interest groups, etc to reduce the Asian American students "over-representation" deliberately not flat out racist? Of course supreme court has banned race manipulation of student admissions, but what started the consolidated attack on Asian American minority at one school when every other minority race students are over-represented at thousands of US schools?

JFC. I'm not even going to bother explaining to you the definition of statistical overrepresentation because you probably won't understand it. Black kids are not overrepresented at those schools. You're embarrassing yourself here on a board discussing AAP. Clearly you aren't qualified to have any say or vote in this if you can't understand the fundamentals.

one-in-five versus two-thirds voters!

"Barely one-in-five voters think affirmative action programs have been successful, and about two-thirds approve of the Supreme Court’s decision striking down racial favoritism in admissions."

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/supreme_court_s_affirmative_action_ruling_approved_by_most_voters

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:#1 ranked high school in Washington DC,
Benjamin Banneker Academy High School has 72% black and 2% Asian.

Are a certain group overrepresented there?

Washington DC is nearly 50% Black so it's not outlandish that the school is 72% Black. DC is about 5% Asian.

On the other hand, Fairfax County is about 20% Asian and 10% Black. TJ currently is 65% Asian, which is over triple the average Asian demographics of Fairfax County.

Only one of these cases could be considered as having an overrepresented group, and it's not Black kids in DC for goodness' sake.

72% Blacks at one school is not considered over-represented but a 65% Asian at another school is?

Of the 54,066 schools in the US, over 3,158 schools have more than 75 percent black students and less than 1 percent Asian American students. When this over-representation of Black students at these numerous schools is not seen as a problem, why is an Asian American majority at ONE school, TJ, (not two, not three, just one school) a hard visual to accept? How are the current efforts by school board, politicians, interest groups, etc to reduce the Asian American students "over-representation" deliberately not flat out racist? Of course supreme court has banned race manipulation of student admissions, but what started the consolidated attack on Asian American minority at one school when every other minority race students are over-represented at thousands of US schools?

JFC. I'm not even going to bother explaining to you the definition of statistical overrepresentation because you probably won't understand it. Black kids are not overrepresented at those schools. You're embarrassing yourself here on a board discussing AAP. Clearly you aren't qualified to have any say or vote in this if you can't understand the fundamentals.

one-in-five versus two-thirds voters!

"Barely one-in-five voters think affirmative action programs have been successful, and about two-thirds approve of the Supreme Court’s decision striking down racial favoritism in admissions."

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/supreme_court_s_affirmative_action_ruling_approved_by_most_voters

TJ case is not about affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

then about what?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:#1 ranked high school in Washington DC,
Benjamin Banneker Academy High School has 72% black and 2% Asian.

Are a certain group overrepresented there?

Washington DC is nearly 50% Black so it's not outlandish that the school is 72% Black. DC is about 5% Asian.

On the other hand, Fairfax County is about 20% Asian and 10% Black. TJ currently is 65% Asian, which is over triple the average Asian demographics of Fairfax County.

Only one of these cases could be considered as having an overrepresented group, and it's not Black kids in DC for goodness' sake.

72% Blacks at one school is not considered over-represented but a 65% Asian at another school is?

Of the 54,066 schools in the US, over 3,158 schools have more than 75 percent black students and less than 1 percent Asian American students. When this over-representation of Black students at these numerous schools is not seen as a problem, why is an Asian American majority at ONE school, TJ, (not two, not three, just one school) a hard visual to accept? How are the current efforts by school board, politicians, interest groups, etc to reduce the Asian American students "over-representation" deliberately not flat out racist? Of course supreme court has banned race manipulation of student admissions, but what started the consolidated attack on Asian American minority at one school when every other minority race students are over-represented at thousands of US schools?

JFC. I'm not even going to bother explaining to you the definition of statistical overrepresentation because you probably won't understand it. Black kids are not overrepresented at those schools. You're embarrassing yourself here on a board discussing AAP. Clearly you aren't qualified to have any say or vote in this if you can't understand the fundamentals.

one-in-five versus two-thirds voters!

"Barely one-in-five voters think affirmative action programs have been successful, and about two-thirds approve of the Supreme Court’s decision striking down racial favoritism in admissions."

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/supreme_court_s_affirmative_action_ruling_approved_by_most_voters

TJ case is not about affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://pacificlegal.org/press-release/federal-judge-rules-that-admissions-changes-at-nations-top-public-school-discriminate-against-asian-american-students/
Next step is to criminally charge Mr. Brabrand and FCPS SB members for their hate crimes against Asian Americans. I'll personally donate at least $10k for this cause.

Isn't TJ something like 90% Asian?

no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:then about what?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:#1 ranked high school in Washington DC,
Benjamin Banneker Academy High School has 72% black and 2% Asian.

Are a certain group overrepresented there?

Washington DC is nearly 50% Black so it's not outlandish that the school is 72% Black. DC is about 5% Asian.

On the other hand, Fairfax County is about 20% Asian and 10% Black. TJ currently is 65% Asian, which is over triple the average Asian demographics of Fairfax County.

Only one of these cases could be considered as having an overrepresented group, and it's not Black kids in DC for goodness' sake.

72% Blacks at one school is not considered over-represented but a 65% Asian at another school is?

Of the 54,066 schools in the US, over 3,158 schools have more than 75 percent black students and less than 1 percent Asian American students. When this over-representation of Black students at these numerous schools is not seen as a problem, why is an Asian American majority at ONE school, TJ, (not two, not three, just one school) a hard visual to accept? How are the current efforts by school board, politicians, interest groups, etc to reduce the Asian American students "over-representation" deliberately not flat out racist? Of course supreme court has banned race manipulation of student admissions, but what started the consolidated attack on Asian American minority at one school when every other minority race students are over-represented at thousands of US schools?

JFC. I'm not even going to bother explaining to you the definition of statistical overrepresentation because you probably won't understand it. Black kids are not overrepresented at those schools. You're embarrassing yourself here on a board discussing AAP. Clearly you aren't qualified to have any say or vote in this if you can't understand the fundamentals.

one-in-five versus two-thirds voters!

"Barely one-in-five voters think affirmative action programs have been successful, and about two-thirds approve of the Supreme Court’s decision striking down racial favoritism in admissions."

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/supreme_court_s_affirmative_action_ruling_approved_by_most_voters

TJ case is not about affirmative action.

Disparate impact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:#1 ranked high school in Washington DC,
Benjamin Banneker Academy High School has 72% black and 2% Asian.

Are a certain group overrepresented there?

Washington DC is nearly 50% Black so it's not outlandish that the school is 72% Black. DC is about 5% Asian.

On the other hand, Fairfax County is about 20% Asian and 10% Black. TJ currently is 65% Asian, which is over triple the average Asian demographics of Fairfax County.

Only one of these cases could be considered as having an overrepresented group, and it's not Black kids in DC for goodness' sake.

72% Blacks at one school is not considered over-represented but a 65% Asian at another school is?

Of the 54,066 schools in the US, over 3,158 schools have more than 75 percent black students and less than 1 percent Asian American students. When this over-representation of Black students at these numerous schools is not seen as a problem, why is an Asian American majority at ONE school, TJ, (not two, not three, just one school) a hard visual to accept? How are the current efforts by school board, politicians, interest groups, etc to reduce the Asian American students "over-representation" deliberately not flat out racist? Of course supreme court has banned race manipulation of student admissions, but what started the consolidated attack on Asian American minority at one school when every other minority race students are over-represented at thousands of US schools?

JFC. I'm not even going to bother explaining to you the definition of statistical overrepresentation because you probably won't understand it. Black kids are not overrepresented at those schools. You're embarrassing yourself here on a board discussing AAP. Clearly you aren't qualified to have any say or vote in this if you can't understand the fundamentals.

All votes matter.

[Anonymous]

disparate impact against underachievers who need to take TJ Math 1? TJ is not for remedial education.

Anonymous wrote:Disparate impact.