FCV finds its way into ECNL. Loudoun’s days coming to an end

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Anonymous wrote:Making it into the ECNL showcase even into the open cup as an ECNL R team is still worth something. College coaches can still attend your games and see you play. Some might even have more respect for a high performing ECNL R team as opposed to a low performing regular ECNL team (like BRYC or Maryland United). So keep on spouting BS and the rest of us will keep on watching our DC playing and improving.

Nobody is bashing the league. There are just structural differences between ECNL and ECNL-R. They are not the same, they never will be the same. And showcase wise, terrific, it is a bonus IF you win your own Regional League. And if you do you still will simply play other ECNL-R teams and has been stated some underperforming ECNL teams.

College coaches scout kids, not teams. They know the difference between leagues and the level of play. The film you will use to entice them to see your DC play will be 90% league based play with slower and less skilled players. Even if your team is a terrific ECNL-R team they won't care about the TEAM, only your kid. Your kid would have to be head and shoulders better than any player on the field to get noticed.

Combining ECNL and GA there are nearly 4,000 kids in any given graduation year getting looked at before your ECNL-R kid.

This where you expose yourself. Colleges don't create tiers of recruits based on league. They know the worst kids in ECNL are not better than the best kids in ECNL-r. And those kids will be head and shoulders above other kids and they'll be equal to many talented ECNL kids. ECNL-r is massive league across multiple regions with differing abilities. ECNL-r in California is going to be different than here or Northeast or South.

You're right they scout kids and not teams. Which makes my point. Every player is different and they're evaluated that way. Does playing against better competition matter for development and exposure? Sure. And their chances in ECNL are better. No doubt about that. But stating an absolute that every ECNL kid is in line before ECNL-R is ridiculous. That's why colleges have camps to group players and have them compete against each other. The best are the ones recruited. I know several kids in ECNL-r or CCL that got spots ahead of ECNL at Division I and other schools.

They scout kids at levels of play they know and trust. ECNL-R is closer to play with CCL, NCSL and EDP and your kid really needs to be a true standout at that level to draw interest.

When they see a kid play well at ECNL or GA showcase they can trust what they are seeing on the field because the level of competition. There were 11 brackets at Jeff cup this past year at U14 and Villarreal instead chose to play in the prestigious Stafford St. Patrick's Day tournament instead. I'm sure any number of D1 schools would be excited by your DD's hattrick against Loudoun Silver in that tournament. Now they would have to see it on film because they are at Jeff Cup instead. I mean a real battle of the titans for coaches to come and watch, the 43rd ranked Villarreal vs the 89th ranked Loudoun Silver.

The point isn't that your DD isn't good at soccer, the point is she will not be at a venue where she will be seen by enough coaches. She won't get better being on a at best mediocre team playing against bad teams in a tournament where only teams Jeff Cup wouldn't accept go to play.

And, lets not claim Jeff Cup is drawing UNC or Stanford here. The coaches that do go are from low D1, D2 and run of the mill D3 schools. And even those coaches are not venturing to watch teams lower than the 4th bracket.

But again, Villareal is on the cusp of ECNL.

First, your conflating this discussion about Villarreal and college recruiting. Nothing I said was about Villarreal or my daughter. She doesn't even play soccer, so you're making a lot of assumptions about things I didn't say and distracting from my point.

You act as if the way this works is that coaches show up at showcases and are randomly watching kids to find players and that's how they are "found." Except it isn't. Coaches don't have time for that. The good schools show up at showcases knowing which games they want to watch because they've been in communication with prospects and have seen film and probably had them in camp. You completely contradict your theory of recruiting when you say the best schools don't show up at these events. And that's true. So how do they find them? Not at ECNL games.

If you had read what I had written, I was talking about how not every ECNL/GA player is tiered above ECNL-r and there's a lot of opportunity for the best ECNL-r to find their way on Division I rosters. The path may be more difficult but presenting it as having to wait behind every ECNL/GA player is ridiculous. Recruiting is about relationships, grades, money and other factors AND playing ability because lots of players are in the same cluster - regardless of league - and you have to differentiate yourself. If show me coaches that only recruit from showcases and tournaments and look at leagues first then you are showing me a lazy coach that i wouldn't want my child to play for and probably won't be at the job very long.

1. I never said coaches show up and watch random games. I mentioned film several times. Coaches first contact with kids is often through email and those that are from ECNL or GA get moved to the top of the list for follow up, not unlike a good resume.

2. You or someone said that 14-15 players on a ECNL and a ECNL-R team are the same. No they are not. The bottom 4 of ECNL and top 4 ECNL-R are similar but the ECNL-R level drops off significantly from there.

3. Not every player wants to play at a D1 school regardless of ability or potential. Not every D1 school is head and shoulders better than D2 or D3. College choice is about school and best fit for several reasons. The level of college soccer is not what differentiates a ECNL player from a ECNL-R player. Many ECNL players may in fact end up at the same soccer level as some ECNL-R players. The difference is that unlike ECNL-R, most (14-15) ECNL players WILL BE RECRUITED compared to 4-5 ECNL-R players.

4. If you don’t have a DD who even plays soccer I presume you’re a coach, and a ECNL-R coach at that. I certainly hope that if you are coaching players who have the potential to play soccer in college that you are encouraging them to play at a level where they will be properly showcased. Do not sell them snake oil that ECNL-R is “the same” thing and that you will get them to the program they want. If you’re doing that you are simply hoarding those players and you are doing them and their families a great disservice unless you personally are committing 14-15 of your players every year. And if it is true for your team and your players it most certainly will not be the case for players on a team like Villarreal 07’s. Perpetuating a myth that 14-15 players on a 43rd ranked team in Virginia are just as good as kids on VDA is a lie. And any parent with a kid on a ECNL-R team must be told that it is a lie.

5. Villarreal as an example points to the more typical ECNL-R quality team. There is no real separation between typical ECNL-R, NCSL, CCL and EDP teams. Women college soccer coaches simply do not have the recruiting budget, staff or time to scour through multiple lower leagues to find players those that do are lower level college programs both soccer wise and academically.

NP. Why do you assume that every player’s goal is to play soccer in college. In ECNL/GA most do which is why they are there. But there are many (most) players in ECNL-R, EDP, etc that have no plans to play in college. They aren’t looking for exposure. They aren’t there because they are being lied to. They just enjoy playing soccer. I just find it weird that conversations on this board seem to assume that the only reason for playing soccer is to play in college, and it’s somehow a waste of time and money if you don’t

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Anonymous wrote:Making it into the ECNL showcase even into the open cup as an ECNL R team is still worth something. College coaches can still attend your games and see you play. Some might even have more respect for a high performing ECNL R team as opposed to a low performing regular ECNL team (like BRYC or Maryland United). So keep on spouting BS and the rest of us will keep on watching our DC playing and improving.

Nobody is bashing the league. There are just structural differences between ECNL and ECNL-R. They are not the same, they never will be the same. And showcase wise, terrific, it is a bonus IF you win your own Regional League. And if you do you still will simply play other ECNL-R teams and has been stated some underperforming ECNL teams.

College coaches scout kids, not teams. They know the difference between leagues and the level of play. The film you will use to entice them to see your DC play will be 90% league based play with slower and less skilled players. Even if your team is a terrific ECNL-R team they won't care about the TEAM, only your kid. Your kid would have to be head and shoulders better than any player on the field to get noticed.

Combining ECNL and GA there are nearly 4,000 kids in any given graduation year getting looked at before your ECNL-R kid.

This where you expose yourself. Colleges don't create tiers of recruits based on league. They know the worst kids in ECNL are not better than the best kids in ECNL-r. And those kids will be head and shoulders above other kids and they'll be equal to many talented ECNL kids. ECNL-r is massive league across multiple regions with differing abilities. ECNL-r in California is going to be different than here or Northeast or South.

You're right they scout kids and not teams. Which makes my point. Every player is different and they're evaluated that way. Does playing against better competition matter for development and exposure? Sure. And their chances in ECNL are better. No doubt about that. But stating an absolute that every ECNL kid is in line before ECNL-R is ridiculous. That's why colleges have camps to group players and have them compete against each other. The best are the ones recruited. I know several kids in ECNL-r or CCL that got spots ahead of ECNL at Division I and other schools.

They scout kids at levels of play they know and trust. ECNL-R is closer to play with CCL, NCSL and EDP and your kid really needs to be a true standout at that level to draw interest.

When they see a kid play well at ECNL or GA showcase they can trust what they are seeing on the field because the level of competition. There were 11 brackets at Jeff cup this past year at U14 and Villarreal instead chose to play in the prestigious Stafford St. Patrick's Day tournament instead. I'm sure any number of D1 schools would be excited by your DD's hattrick against Loudoun Silver in that tournament. Now they would have to see it on film because they are at Jeff Cup instead. I mean a real battle of the titans for coaches to come and watch, the 43rd ranked Villarreal vs the 89th ranked Loudoun Silver.

The point isn't that your DD isn't good at soccer, the point is she will not be at a venue where she will be seen by enough coaches. She won't get better being on a at best mediocre team playing against bad teams in a tournament where only teams Jeff Cup wouldn't accept go to play.

And, lets not claim Jeff Cup is drawing UNC or Stanford here. The coaches that do go are from low D1, D2 and run of the mill D3 schools. And even those coaches are not venturing to watch teams lower than the 4th bracket.

But again, Villareal is on the cusp of ECNL.

First, your conflating this discussion about Villarreal and college recruiting. Nothing I said was about Villarreal or my daughter. She doesn't even play soccer, so you're making a lot of assumptions about things I didn't say and distracting from my point.

You act as if the way this works is that coaches show up at showcases and are randomly watching kids to find players and that's how they are "found." Except it isn't. Coaches don't have time for that. The good schools show up at showcases knowing which games they want to watch because they've been in communication with prospects and have seen film and probably had them in camp. You completely contradict your theory of recruiting when you say the best schools don't show up at these events. And that's true. So how do they find them? Not at ECNL games.

If you had read what I had written, I was talking about how not every ECNL/GA player is tiered above ECNL-r and there's a lot of opportunity for the best ECNL-r to find their way on Division I rosters. The path may be more difficult but presenting it as having to wait behind every ECNL/GA player is ridiculous. Recruiting is about relationships, grades, money and other factors AND playing ability because lots of players are in the same cluster - regardless of league - and you have to differentiate yourself. If show me coaches that only recruit from showcases and tournaments and look at leagues first then you are showing me a lazy coach that i wouldn't want my child to play for and probably won't be at the job very long.

1. I never said coaches show up and watch random games. I mentioned film several times. Coaches first contact with kids is often through email and those that are from ECNL or GA get moved to the top of the list for follow up, not unlike a good resume.

2. You or someone said that 14-15 players on a ECNL and a ECNL-R team are the same. No they are not. The bottom 4 of ECNL and top 4 ECNL-R are similar but the ECNL-R level drops off significantly from there.

3. Not every player wants to play at a D1 school regardless of ability or potential. Not every D1 school is head and shoulders better than D2 or D3. College choice is about school and best fit for several reasons. The level of college soccer is not what differentiates a ECNL player from a ECNL-R player. Many ECNL players may in fact end up at the same soccer level as some ECNL-R players. The difference is that unlike ECNL-R, most (14-15) ECNL players WILL BE RECRUITED compared to 4-5 ECNL-R players.

4. If you don’t have a DD who even plays soccer I presume you’re a coach, and a ECNL-R coach at that. I certainly hope that if you are coaching players who have the potential to play soccer in college that you are encouraging them to play at a level where they will be properly showcased. Do not sell them snake oil that ECNL-R is “the same” thing and that you will get them to the program they want. If you’re doing that you are simply hoarding those players and you are doing them and their families a great disservice unless you personally are committing 14-15 of your players every year. And if it is true for your team and your players it most certainly will not be the case for players on a team like Villarreal 07’s. Perpetuating a myth that 14-15 players on a 43rd ranked team in Virginia are just as good as kids on VDA is a lie. And any parent with a kid on a ECNL-R team must be told that it is a lie.

5. Villarreal as an example points to the more typical ECNL-R quality team. There is no real separation between typical ECNL-R, NCSL, CCL and EDP teams. Women college soccer coaches simply do not have the recruiting budget, staff or time to scour through multiple lower leagues to find players those that do are lower level college programs both soccer wise and academically.

NP. Why do you assume that every player’s goal is to play soccer in college. In ECNL/GA most do which is why they are there. But there are many (most) players in ECNL-R, EDP, etc that have no plans to play in college. They aren’t looking for exposure. They aren’t there because they are being lied to. They just enjoy playing soccer. I just find it weird that conversations on this board seem to assume that the only reason for playing soccer is to play in college, and it’s somehow a waste of time and money if you don’t

Well we are talking about those who do wish to play in college. There is no harm in telling kids who don’t wish to that they are just as good as ECNL, (they are not) but those who do wish to play in college are being lied to and held back for the coaches own reasons.

If kids can’t afford ECNL, then finding the best team and connected coach is the only viable option. Unfortunately, ECNL and GA can be prohibitively expensive. But regardless of expense a kid should at least tryout for a club and see if they can make it and if the club can help out financially.

And finally, claiming kids are not interested in playing in college does not equate to ability to play in college. We all tend to overestimate our own abilities. But what is important is kids who do wish to play in college will be practicing and playing with and against many kids who are simply there for the social part of soccer. So perhaps at 14 the roster on a ECNL-R team may be pretty close but 4 years later with less developmental drive and lower competition they fell behind and didn’t improve at the rate they could have.

Being on a team with lower expectations is a bad fit for a player who wants more. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to play in college but it doesn’t mean it is a good developmental fit for those who do wish to play at a higher level.

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Anonymous wrote:Making it into the ECNL showcase even into the open cup as an ECNL R team is still worth something. College coaches can still attend your games and see you play. Some might even have more respect for a high performing ECNL R team as opposed to a low performing regular ECNL team (like BRYC or Maryland United). So keep on spouting BS and the rest of us will keep on watching our DC playing and improving.

Nobody is bashing the league. There are just structural differences between ECNL and ECNL-R. They are not the same, they never will be the same. And showcase wise, terrific, it is a bonus IF you win your own Regional League. And if you do you still will simply play other ECNL-R teams and has been stated some underperforming ECNL teams.

College coaches scout kids, not teams. They know the difference between leagues and the level of play. The film you will use to entice them to see your DC play will be 90% league based play with slower and less skilled players. Even if your team is a terrific ECNL-R team they won't care about the TEAM, only your kid. Your kid would have to be head and shoulders better than any player on the field to get noticed.

Combining ECNL and GA there are nearly 4,000 kids in any given graduation year getting looked at before your ECNL-R kid.

This where you expose yourself. Colleges don't create tiers of recruits based on league. They know the worst kids in ECNL are not better than the best kids in ECNL-r. And those kids will be head and shoulders above other kids and they'll be equal to many talented ECNL kids. ECNL-r is massive league across multiple regions with differing abilities. ECNL-r in California is going to be different than here or Northeast or South.

You're right they scout kids and not teams. Which makes my point. Every player is different and they're evaluated that way. Does playing against better competition matter for development and exposure? Sure. And their chances in ECNL are better. No doubt about that. But stating an absolute that every ECNL kid is in line before ECNL-R is ridiculous. That's why colleges have camps to group players and have them compete against each other. The best are the ones recruited. I know several kids in ECNL-r or CCL that got spots ahead of ECNL at Division I and other schools.

They scout kids at levels of play they know and trust. ECNL-R is closer to play with CCL, NCSL and EDP and your kid really needs to be a true standout at that level to draw interest.

When they see a kid play well at ECNL or GA showcase they can trust what they are seeing on the field because the level of competition. There were 11 brackets at Jeff cup this past year at U14 and Villarreal instead chose to play in the prestigious Stafford St. Patrick's Day tournament instead. I'm sure any number of D1 schools would be excited by your DD's hattrick against Loudoun Silver in that tournament. Now they would have to see it on film because they are at Jeff Cup instead. I mean a real battle of the titans for coaches to come and watch, the 43rd ranked Villarreal vs the 89th ranked Loudoun Silver.

The point isn't that your DD isn't good at soccer, the point is she will not be at a venue where she will be seen by enough coaches. She won't get better being on a at best mediocre team playing against bad teams in a tournament where only teams Jeff Cup wouldn't accept go to play.

And, lets not claim Jeff Cup is drawing UNC or Stanford here. The coaches that do go are from low D1, D2 and run of the mill D3 schools. And even those coaches are not venturing to watch teams lower than the 4th bracket.

But again, Villareal is on the cusp of ECNL.

First, your conflating this discussion about Villarreal and college recruiting. Nothing I said was about Villarreal or my daughter. She doesn't even play soccer, so you're making a lot of assumptions about things I didn't say and distracting from my point.

You act as if the way this works is that coaches show up at showcases and are randomly watching kids to find players and that's how they are "found." Except it isn't. Coaches don't have time for that. The good schools show up at showcases knowing which games they want to watch because they've been in communication with prospects and have seen film and probably had them in camp. You completely contradict your theory of recruiting when you say the best schools don't show up at these events. And that's true. So how do they find them? Not at ECNL games.

If you had read what I had written, I was talking about how not every ECNL/GA player is tiered above ECNL-r and there's a lot of opportunity for the best ECNL-r to find their way on Division I rosters. The path may be more difficult but presenting it as having to wait behind every ECNL/GA player is ridiculous. Recruiting is about relationships, grades, money and other factors AND playing ability because lots of players are in the same cluster - regardless of league - and you have to differentiate yourself. If show me coaches that only recruit from showcases and tournaments and look at leagues first then you are showing me a lazy coach that i wouldn't want my child to play for and probably won't be at the job very long.

1. I never said coaches show up and watch random games. I mentioned film several times. Coaches first contact with kids is often through email and those that are from ECNL or GA get moved to the top of the list for follow up, not unlike a good resume.

2. You or someone said that 14-15 players on a ECNL and a ECNL-R team are the same. No they are not. The bottom 4 of ECNL and top 4 ECNL-R are similar but the ECNL-R level drops off significantly from there.

3. Not every player wants to play at a D1 school regardless of ability or potential. Not every D1 school is head and shoulders better than D2 or D3. College choice is about school and best fit for several reasons. The level of college soccer is not what differentiates a ECNL player from a ECNL-R player. Many ECNL players may in fact end up at the same soccer level as some ECNL-R players. The difference is that unlike ECNL-R, most (14-15) ECNL players WILL BE RECRUITED compared to 4-5 ECNL-R players.

4. If you don’t have a DD who even plays soccer I presume you’re a coach, and a ECNL-R coach at that. I certainly hope that if you are coaching players who have the potential to play soccer in college that you are encouraging them to play at a level where they will be properly showcased. Do not sell them snake oil that ECNL-R is “the same” thing and that you will get them to the program they want. If you’re doing that you are simply hoarding those players and you are doing them and their families a great disservice unless you personally are committing 14-15 of your players every year. And if it is true for your team and your players it most certainly will not be the case for players on a team like Villarreal 07’s. Perpetuating a myth that 14-15 players on a 43rd ranked team in Virginia are just as good as kids on VDA is a lie. And any parent with a kid on a ECNL-R team must be told that it is a lie.

5. Villarreal as an example points to the more typical ECNL-R quality team. There is no real separation between typical ECNL-R, NCSL, CCL and EDP teams. Women college soccer coaches simply do not have the recruiting budget, staff or time to scour through multiple lower leagues to find players those that do are lower level college programs both soccer wise and academically.

Let's start with this. The original point I responded to was that all ECNL/GA players were above ECNL-r players in eyes of coaches. And that is completely untrue. And you're agreeing with me in what you say in No. 3. ENCL-r players can make Division I rosters strictly on ability ahead of many ENCL players.

I did not respond to anything about the best players on ENCL-r being better than most of the middle of the ECNL players. My only comment on that subject was it was hard to know if you give an ENCL-r team 4-5 top players that they could compete in ECNL based on scores because of not seeing games. ECNL is a varied league even just in DC, so some of these broad statements are pointless. I am not a fan of broad generalizations as you might have gathered.

Let me address your points because I don't think we are far off.

1. When you say the coaches first contact with players is through email, are you saying coaches reach out first or the player? Because most of the time it is the player initiating. Usually then film is sent and then the player comes to camp. Once the player is in camp - and it's rare kids are turned down from camp - they don't assess kids based on club. They base it on what they see. Now, are some impressions made initially by club, sure. But coaches are smart enough to there is a huge difference in level among players at McLean or Arlington and that someone from ECNL-r or CCL can be better than many of the kids. It certainly is true with clubs like BRYC and Loudoun. The camp is the interview and most kids get the interview because they pay to go.

2. I addressed this above and mostly agree. I'd go a little above bottom four but it would depend on the two clubs. Hard to make a broad statement.

3. It depends on what you mean by recruited. Do you mean given scholarships (because most don't get them) or do you mean actively sought by coaches? This is surely true at the top-top level of ENCL. But again, a player from ENCL-r that impresses coaches won't be treated any different because of club if the coach has any sense.

4. Don't assume. Not a coach either. Have no dog in fight. Just love soccer and seen it with family and friends and been through it with sons. And to be clear, I never said it was the "same." I've only said that some of the best players have the opportunity to be recruited in the same way as most of the ENCL players. And I am sure some coaches at ECNL-r are saying this and it is wrong and terrible for the kids. Parents want to believe and they take their money. But it is also true that people at ENCL are selling the same dream and there are many being lied to in same way about college prospects.

5. It's hard to compare across league but previously very good CCL teams were better than most ECNL-r clubs, though that is now changing with CCL falling apart. There's now some better clubs in ECNL-r and that's going to help build credibility and development.

Lastly, it's also true that coaches don't scour every ECNL roster and recruit that way as well. Most recruiting is player-driven. You have to be aggressive and work relationships from a series of schools that you are interested in and fit you athletically and academically. So much money is wasted on private recruiting camps and such because there is this hope you go and will be seen on your best day and coaches will flock to you with scholarship offers. It's hard work to build that "resume" of film, school and camp performance. But kids can get there, especially if they realize it's hard work and they really want to attend the school their pursuing. Below the Florida States and North Caorlinas or Virginias and Georgetowns, there's lots of opportunity at D1 or D3 based on what you want to get out of college.

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1. When you say the coaches first contact with players is through email, are you saying coaches reach out first or the player? Because most of the time it is the player initiating. Usually then film is sent and then the player comes to camp. Once the player is in camp - and it's rare kids are turned down from camp - they don't assess kids based on club. They base it on what they see. Now, are some impressions made initially by club, sure. But coaches are smart enough to there is a huge difference in level among players at McLean or Arlington and that someone from ECNL-r or CCL can be better than many of the kids. It certainly is true with clubs like BRYC and Loudoun. The camp is the interview and most kids get the interview because they pay to go.

I never said coaches contact the players first. Players email coaches and coaches will "respond" by attending showcase games if they are interested. All they have to go on at that point is a name, the club, league and hopefully some quality highlights. Coaches don't walk showcase fields window shopping either. they have a list of kids they intend on watching and that fills their day.

3. It depends on what you mean by recruited. Do you mean given scholarships (because most don't get them) or do you mean actively sought by coaches? This is surely true at the top-top level of ENCL. But again, a player from ENCL-r that impresses coaches won't be treated any different because of club if the coach has any sense.

Recruited means actively sought by coaches, it does not mean committed. Whoever a coach is interested in they are going to treat the way they feel will win the player over if need be. But keep in mind as the process progresses the coaches list whittles down. If they have 5 spots to fill they will be "interested" in 50 players. That list will be whittled down through watching players in showcases, phone calls and ID camps. When they cut that list down to 15-20 who they think can play they start to look at grades and the intangibles. Do they trust the club coach? Have they committed several players from that club before and if so did they work out or not? The further away from larger established ECNL clubs/coaches with longer track records college coaches can get lost in the weeds with a club coach they simply don't know well so they tend to gravitate to the "safer" player.

4. Don't assume. Not a coach either. Have no dog in fight. Just love soccer and seen it with family and friends and been through it with sons. And to be clear, I never said it was the "same." I've only said that some of the best players have the opportunity to be recruited in the same way as most of the ENCL players. And I am sure some coaches at ECNL-r are saying this and it is wrong and terrible for the kids. Parents want to believe and they take their money. But it is also true that people at ENCL are selling the same dream and there are many being lied to in same way about college prospects.

If you don't have girls or haven't watched much girls youth soccer then don't assume the gap between leagues is narrower than you think it is.

5. It's hard to compare across league but previously very good CCL teams were better than most ECNL-r clubs, though that is now changing with CCL falling apart. There's now some better clubs in ECNL-r and that's going to help build credibility and development.

This is true except for ECNL and GA compared to ECNL-R, CCL, EDP, NCSL. The latter two in particular because of the many divisions, pro/rel and that teams play in EDP one year and change leagues the following year. There are some EDP teams and some ECNL-R teams who can compete with most typical ECNL teams but they are the outliars. And if a ECNL club is not convenient then a players is forced to find those unicorn teams and hope to get on one.

Lastly, it's also true that coaches don't scour every ECNL roster and recruit that way as well. Most recruiting is player-driven. You have to be aggressive and work relationships from a series of schools that you are interested in and fit you athletically and academically. So much money is wasted on private recruiting camps and such because there is this hope you go and will be seen on your best day and coaches will flock to you with scholarship offers. It's hard work to build that "resume" of film, school and camp performance. But kids can get there, especially if they realize it's hard work and they really want to attend the school their pursuing. Below the Florida States and North Caorlinas or Virginias and Georgetowns, there's lots of opportunity at D1 or D3 based on what you want to get out of college.

This is all true but it also does not mean that the statement that a PP made about 14-15 kids on ECNL-R are the same as ECNL. Regardless of level of play each player must do a lot of work for their own recruitment but not playing on a ECNL or GA team is a significant hurdle to overcome even with lower level D1 schools. When a player sends a coach an email and they are from a ECNL team the coach understand the level of play and so the highlight film matters more. Sending highlights from your EDP South Atlantic Red division game against Burke just isn't going to pop off the page.

And it is hard to impress them if you are not even playing at the showcases they are attending. If the coaches are at Jeff Cup and you are playing in the St. Patrick's Day Tournament they are not going to see you in person. Women's soccer isn't college football where Ohio State has a huge recruiting budget to go to hundreds of HS games. Unless the school is local they aren't coming to a league game so the 4 showcases a year you have PLUS film are all you've got to prove yourself.

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GA is not as good as ECNL but stop with this silliness of ECNL-R being a top league in any way shape or form. As ECNL and GA both continue to expand it is simply a race to the bottom.

I disagree. The mid Atlantic ecnl-r teams would do well in the GAL mid Atlantic.

Well arlington was average to above average in GA but you think their 2nd team would do well in Ga? Does not make sense unless you think there is little difference between their teams?

No. I think ecnl-r teams would do well in the GAL. Nothing about 2nd teams

You people are missing the point of ECNL-r. It doesn’t matter which league has better teams. They serve different purposes. ECNL and GAL are national leagues for players interested in getting maximum college exposure, showcases, etc. ECNL-r players are generally done playing after high school. Just because a player is in ECNL-R doesn’t mean they are inferior. Just that they are not likely to play in college.

I’m just saying that the GAL clubs are weak and on the same level as ECNL-R clubs. GAL may be a national league but everyone knows how weak most of the clubs are in GAL. The local ECNL-R clubs are just as good or better than most GAL clubs. Top ECNL-R girls will be recruited at the same level as GAL players. Don’t be naive to thinking this is a pathway to ECNL for FCV, which frankly these days is a glorified CCL club looking for a way to transition to Springfield

This is a pathway. Jealousy is unbecoming.

LOL ECNLr is for the second teams. It is not a pathway to anything. You really think ECNL will spend any time or resources pushing ECNLr to colleges?I got a bridge to sell you. ECNL’s path way in ECNL. GA will be better vs ECNLr any day of the week for anyone interested in college.

One jealous mom.

Seriously, what is there to be jealous of? Making a ECNL clubs B team or some small clubs A team? Are we all supposed to be jealous of ECNL’s B league?

It’s delicious to troll Soccer Mom A who thinks Dear Child is untouchable and that any league other than the one Dear Child plays is total garbage. You are insignificant. I think we’re done here.

BUH-bye!

As long as you understand that nobody is jealous of ECNL-R. You can beat your chest all you want but coming in here and trying to convince people that ECNL-R is the same as ECNL and somehow superior to other leagues is being ignorant.

It is ECNL’s B team league. That is just fact, it isn’t an insult it is just what ECNL intends it to be. So, it is a mix of ECNL B teams and non-ECNL club A teams.

Outside of a few players on each ECNL team, the talent in ECNL-RL is the same. 80% of the kids in ECNL are there because their parents grovel.

Ok, so you are a Villarreal parent who's kid didn't make a ECNL squad, presumably because you didn't grovel.

If FCV takes over do you honestly believe that improves your kids chances?

And as far as ECNL-R players being the same as ECNL I guess you don't know what you don't know. The top 3-4 ECNL-R players could be swapped for the bottom 3-4 players on a ECNL or GA roster. There may be a few kids who are very talented that had no interest in leaving their team to play on a ECNL team but by U15 frankly the talent has been picked clean and that is accounting for a very diluted "Elite" soccer landscape in NOVA.

7 "Elite" teams offering 140 spots per age group already. The talent drop off is significant after ECNL and GA in our area. ECNL-R will not be any proving ground or pathway into ECNL in our region.

Not Villarreal. You could swap the top 4-5 RL for any in the bottom 15-16 (of 20) and there is no difference. Also, reverse it and put one of the bottom 15-16 in an RL game and they wouldn’t change the game and probably wouldn’t even stand out. You don’t know what you don’t know.

The highest ranked ECNL-R 07 team in VA is Beach FC.

This was their results from last falls WAGS
11 Oct 20 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL 0 - 3 33.71
10 Oct 20 BALTIMORE ARMOUR ACADEMY GA 1 - 2 33.73
10 Oct 20 BALTIMORE CELTIC SC GA 0 - 1 33.61

They scored one goal against a GA team and lost to two GA and one ECNL teams.

They were close to GA but a 3 goal differential against their lone ECNL opponent doe not lead one to believe that the difference is just 3-4 players. And as a top ECNL-R team, while competitive they still lost to mid table GA teams.

You don't know what you don't know.

And Beach FC is significant because they do not have the player pool dilution and are pretty far away to lose their best players to Richmond ECNL. Beach has a pretty large and isolated player pool, unlike NOVA.

Yeah, in this area, the difference is 4-5 players. You’ll see when 4-5 players go to play at good college programs and the other 15 are looking at the Randolph Macons and other D-III schools, same as the non-ECNL players.

After a 0-3 loss to MD United ECNL you still think the difference between the two teams is 3-4 players?

You want an opinion simply based on a score? Have you watched soccer a long time? 3-0 games can be the equivalent of a 7-0 or a game where sides are even or the losing side was better.

Was it 3-0 in the first half and MD United backed off? Did MD United dominate the ball all game and not do enough with their chances? Or were the chances the same and only a couple late goals when losing team pushed forward flatter the score? I've seen teams win and lose 3-0 in games then were the worst team or dominated.

But as a general rule, I'd say that if you could sub your worst 3-4 players with 3-4 players that are your best players then you'd have a pretty good chances of winning a game or being competitive in games you competitive in and lost.

Ok, fair enough. Lets shift the conversation back to the actual club at hand then. Villarreal's ECNL-R team. Since we are talking a difference of only 3-4 players between ECNL-R and ECNL rosters then explain Villarreal's 07 ECNL-R loss to VA Revolution by 11-0 in the NPL State Cup?

How do you think Villarreal would fair against NC Courage or Richmond United? Do you think Villareal is just 3-4 players away form ECNL? Do you think ECNL believes Villareal is on the cusp as as club of being granted full ECNL? With U15 team ranked 43rd in VA?

Sure. I don't know enough about Villarreal's girls program but certainly those numbers do not indicate competitiveness on an ECNL level with a few FCV players. And my understanding - unless someone answers the above question - is that FCV's top team would not be providing players. it would more come from the second teams that are in Fairfax (could be wrong about that).

Question is kind of moot since I don't think Villa is near getting a full ECNL spot any time soon. And even if the FCV relationship is full merger and the level is good enough to compete in ECNL, there's still the whole issue with ECNL and FCV. Touting this as access to ECNL for FCV seems like overreach. Possible there are opportunities for exposure that arise from this, but wouldn't think it would even be issue for the GA team since they get exposure already. This whole relationship seems to serve that second FCV team and bolster Villarreal's base. Too often people on here go to extremes, sadly.

And with FCV losing Evergreen after this FCV United teams will either stay in Loudoun or they will likely break up and head to VA Revolution, Loudoun, VSA etc. The GA teams will stay mostly intact if the club ends up practicing in Annandale but some players will likely change clubs in small numbers. FCV will fill those spots with either Villarreal kids or who ever shows up to tryouts. But FCV will stop being a Loudoun based club in very short order.

United teams are primarily at Bles. Faulty logic in your assumptions.

Not faulty logic, that is the point. They are not moving to Annandale so Villarreal teams will not have FCV players on them.

Ok, thanks for setting me straight. I guess you are right, Villarreal teams won’t have FCV players on them.

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GA is not as good as ECNL but stop with this silliness of ECNL-R being a top league in any way shape or form. As ECNL and GA both continue to expand it is simply a race to the bottom.

I disagree. The mid Atlantic ecnl-r teams would do well in the GAL mid Atlantic.

Well arlington was average to above average in GA but you think their 2nd team would do well in Ga? Does not make sense unless you think there is little difference between their teams?

No. I think ecnl-r teams would do well in the GAL. Nothing about 2nd teams

You people are missing the point of ECNL-r. It doesn’t matter which league has better teams. They serve different purposes. ECNL and GAL are national leagues for players interested in getting maximum college exposure, showcases, etc. ECNL-r players are generally done playing after high school. Just because a player is in ECNL-R doesn’t mean they are inferior. Just that they are not likely to play in college.

I’m just saying that the GAL clubs are weak and on the same level as ECNL-R clubs. GAL may be a national league but everyone knows how weak most of the clubs are in GAL. The local ECNL-R clubs are just as good or better than most GAL clubs. Top ECNL-R girls will be recruited at the same level as GAL players. Don’t be naive to thinking this is a pathway to ECNL for FCV, which frankly these days is a glorified CCL club looking for a way to transition to Springfield

This is a pathway. Jealousy is unbecoming.

LOL ECNLr is for the second teams. It is not a pathway to anything. You really think ECNL will spend any time or resources pushing ECNLr to colleges?I got a bridge to sell you. ECNL’s path way in ECNL. GA will be better vs ECNLr any day of the week for anyone interested in college.

One jealous mom.

Seriously, what is there to be jealous of? Making a ECNL clubs B team or some small clubs A team? Are we all supposed to be jealous of ECNL’s B league?

It’s delicious to troll Soccer Mom A who thinks Dear Child is untouchable and that any league other than the one Dear Child plays is total garbage. You are insignificant. I think we’re done here.

BUH-bye!

As long as you understand that nobody is jealous of ECNL-R. You can beat your chest all you want but coming in here and trying to convince people that ECNL-R is the same as ECNL and somehow superior to other leagues is being ignorant.

It is ECNL’s B team league. That is just fact, it isn’t an insult it is just what ECNL intends it to be. So, it is a mix of ECNL B teams and non-ECNL club A teams.

Outside of a few players on each ECNL team, the talent in ECNL-RL is the same. 80% of the kids in ECNL are there because their parents grovel.

Ok, so you are a Villarreal parent who's kid didn't make a ECNL squad, presumably because you didn't grovel.

If FCV takes over do you honestly believe that improves your kids chances?

And as far as ECNL-R players being the same as ECNL I guess you don't know what you don't know. The top 3-4 ECNL-R players could be swapped for the bottom 3-4 players on a ECNL or GA roster. There may be a few kids who are very talented that had no interest in leaving their team to play on a ECNL team but by U15 frankly the talent has been picked clean and that is accounting for a very diluted "Elite" soccer landscape in NOVA.

7 "Elite" teams offering 140 spots per age group already. The talent drop off is significant after ECNL and GA in our area. ECNL-R will not be any proving ground or pathway into ECNL in our region.

Not Villarreal. You could swap the top 4-5 RL for any in the bottom 15-16 (of 20) and there is no difference. Also, reverse it and put one of the bottom 15-16 in an RL game and they wouldn’t change the game and probably wouldn’t even stand out. You don’t know what you don’t know.

The highest ranked ECNL-R 07 team in VA is Beach FC.

This was their results from last falls WAGS
11 Oct 20 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL 0 - 3 33.71
10 Oct 20 BALTIMORE ARMOUR ACADEMY GA 1 - 2 33.73
10 Oct 20 BALTIMORE CELTIC SC GA 0 - 1 33.61

They scored one goal against a GA team and lost to two GA and one ECNL teams.

They were close to GA but a 3 goal differential against their lone ECNL opponent doe not lead one to believe that the difference is just 3-4 players. And as a top ECNL-R team, while competitive they still lost to mid table GA teams.

You don't know what you don't know.

And Beach FC is significant because they do not have the player pool dilution and are pretty far away to lose their best players to Richmond ECNL. Beach has a pretty large and isolated player pool, unlike NOVA.

Yeah, in this area, the difference is 4-5 players. You’ll see when 4-5 players go to play at good college programs and the other 15 are looking at the Randolph Macons and other D-III schools, same as the non-ECNL players.

After a 0-3 loss to MD United ECNL you still think the difference between the two teams is 3-4 players?

You want an opinion simply based on a score? Have you watched soccer a long time? 3-0 games can be the equivalent of a 7-0 or a game where sides are even or the losing side was better.

Was it 3-0 in the first half and MD United backed off? Did MD United dominate the ball all game and not do enough with their chances? Or were the chances the same and only a couple late goals when losing team pushed forward flatter the score? I've seen teams win and lose 3-0 in games then were the worst team or dominated.

But as a general rule, I'd say that if you could sub your worst 3-4 players with 3-4 players that are your best players then you'd have a pretty good chances of winning a game or being competitive in games you competitive in and lost.

Ok, fair enough. Lets shift the conversation back to the actual club at hand then. Villarreal's ECNL-R team. Since we are talking a difference of only 3-4 players between ECNL-R and ECNL rosters then explain Villarreal's 07 ECNL-R loss to VA Revolution by 11-0 in the NPL State Cup?

How do you think Villarreal would fair against NC Courage or Richmond United? Do you think Villareal is just 3-4 players away form ECNL? Do you think ECNL believes Villareal is on the cusp as as club of being granted full ECNL? With U15 team ranked 43rd in VA?

Sure. I don't know enough about Villarreal's girls program but certainly those numbers do not indicate competitiveness on an ECNL level with a few FCV players. And my understanding - unless someone answers the above question - is that FCV's top team would not be providing players. it would more come from the second teams that are in Fairfax (could be wrong about that).

Question is kind of moot since I don't think Villa is near getting a full ECNL spot any time soon. And even if the FCV relationship is full merger and the level is good enough to compete in ECNL, there's still the whole issue with ECNL and FCV. Touting this as access to ECNL for FCV seems like overreach. Possible there are opportunities for exposure that arise from this, but wouldn't think it would even be issue for the GA team since they get exposure already. This whole relationship seems to serve that second FCV team and bolster Villarreal's base. Too often people on here go to extremes, sadly.

And with FCV losing Evergreen after this FCV United teams will either stay in Loudoun or they will likely break up and head to VA Revolution, Loudoun, VSA etc. The GA teams will stay mostly intact if the club ends up practicing in Annandale but some players will likely change clubs in small numbers. FCV will fill those spots with either Villarreal kids or who ever shows up to tryouts. But FCV will stop being a Loudoun based club in very short order.

United teams are primarily at Bles. Faulty logic in your assumptions.

Not faulty logic, that is the point. They are not moving to Annandale so Villarreal teams will not have FCV players on them.

Ok, thanks for setting me straight. I guess you are right, Villarreal teams won’t have FCV players on them.

Not a single player!

No, not a single Loudoun based FCV United player will go to Annandale to play on a Villarreal team. Why would they?

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Anonymous wrote:Ecnl-r > GAL

GA is not as good as ECNL but stop with this silliness of ECNL-R being a top league in any way shape or form. As ECNL and GA both continue to expand it is simply a race to the bottom.

I disagree. The mid Atlantic ecnl-r teams would do well in the GAL mid Atlantic.

Well arlington was average to above average in GA but you think their 2nd team would do well in Ga? Does not make sense unless you think there is little difference between their teams?

No. I think ecnl-r teams would do well in the GAL. Nothing about 2nd teams

You people are missing the point of ECNL-r. It doesn’t matter which league has better teams. They serve different purposes. ECNL and GAL are national leagues for players interested in getting maximum college exposure, showcases, etc. ECNL-r players are generally done playing after high school. Just because a player is in ECNL-R doesn’t mean they are inferior. Just that they are not likely to play in college.

I’m just saying that the GAL clubs are weak and on the same level as ECNL-R clubs. GAL may be a national league but everyone knows how weak most of the clubs are in GAL. The local ECNL-R clubs are just as good or better than most GAL clubs. Top ECNL-R girls will be recruited at the same level as GAL players. Don’t be naive to thinking this is a pathway to ECNL for FCV, which frankly these days is a glorified CCL club looking for a way to transition to Springfield

This is a pathway. Jealousy is unbecoming.

LOL ECNLr is for the second teams. It is not a pathway to anything. You really think ECNL will spend any time or resources pushing ECNLr to colleges?I got a bridge to sell you. ECNL’s path way in ECNL. GA will be better vs ECNLr any day of the week for anyone interested in college.

One jealous mom.

Seriously, what is there to be jealous of? Making a ECNL clubs B team or some small clubs A team? Are we all supposed to be jealous of ECNL’s B league?

It’s delicious to troll Soccer Mom A who thinks Dear Child is untouchable and that any league other than the one Dear Child plays is total garbage. You are insignificant. I think we’re done here.

BUH-bye!

As long as you understand that nobody is jealous of ECNL-R. You can beat your chest all you want but coming in here and trying to convince people that ECNL-R is the same as ECNL and somehow superior to other leagues is being ignorant.

It is ECNL’s B team league. That is just fact, it isn’t an insult it is just what ECNL intends it to be. So, it is a mix of ECNL B teams and non-ECNL club A teams.

Outside of a few players on each ECNL team, the talent in ECNL-RL is the same. 80% of the kids in ECNL are there because their parents grovel.

Ok, so you are a Villarreal parent who's kid didn't make a ECNL squad, presumably because you didn't grovel.

If FCV takes over do you honestly believe that improves your kids chances?

And as far as ECNL-R players being the same as ECNL I guess you don't know what you don't know. The top 3-4 ECNL-R players could be swapped for the bottom 3-4 players on a ECNL or GA roster. There may be a few kids who are very talented that had no interest in leaving their team to play on a ECNL team but by U15 frankly the talent has been picked clean and that is accounting for a very diluted "Elite" soccer landscape in NOVA.

7 "Elite" teams offering 140 spots per age group already. The talent drop off is significant after ECNL and GA in our area. ECNL-R will not be any proving ground or pathway into ECNL in our region.

Not Villarreal. You could swap the top 4-5 RL for any in the bottom 15-16 (of 20) and there is no difference. Also, reverse it and put one of the bottom 15-16 in an RL game and they wouldn’t change the game and probably wouldn’t even stand out. You don’t know what you don’t know.

The highest ranked ECNL-R 07 team in VA is Beach FC.

This was their results from last falls WAGS
11 Oct 20 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL 0 - 3 33.71
10 Oct 20 BALTIMORE ARMOUR ACADEMY GA 1 - 2 33.73
10 Oct 20 BALTIMORE CELTIC SC GA 0 - 1 33.61

They scored one goal against a GA team and lost to two GA and one ECNL teams.

They were close to GA but a 3 goal differential against their lone ECNL opponent doe not lead one to believe that the difference is just 3-4 players. And as a top ECNL-R team, while competitive they still lost to mid table GA teams.

You don't know what you don't know.

And Beach FC is significant because they do not have the player pool dilution and are pretty far away to lose their best players to Richmond ECNL. Beach has a pretty large and isolated player pool, unlike NOVA.

Yeah, in this area, the difference is 4-5 players. You’ll see when 4-5 players go to play at good college programs and the other 15 are looking at the Randolph Macons and other D-III schools, same as the non-ECNL players.

After a 0-3 loss to MD United ECNL you still think the difference between the two teams is 3-4 players?

You want an opinion simply based on a score? Have you watched soccer a long time? 3-0 games can be the equivalent of a 7-0 or a game where sides are even or the losing side was better.

Was it 3-0 in the first half and MD United backed off? Did MD United dominate the ball all game and not do enough with their chances? Or were the chances the same and only a couple late goals when losing team pushed forward flatter the score? I've seen teams win and lose 3-0 in games then were the worst team or dominated.

But as a general rule, I'd say that if you could sub your worst 3-4 players with 3-4 players that are your best players then you'd have a pretty good chances of winning a game or being competitive in games you competitive in and lost.

Ok, fair enough. Lets shift the conversation back to the actual club at hand then. Villarreal's ECNL-R team. Since we are talking a difference of only 3-4 players between ECNL-R and ECNL rosters then explain Villarreal's 07 ECNL-R loss to VA Revolution by 11-0 in the NPL State Cup?

How do you think Villarreal would fair against NC Courage or Richmond United? Do you think Villareal is just 3-4 players away form ECNL? Do you think ECNL believes Villareal is on the cusp as as club of being granted full ECNL? With U15 team ranked 43rd in VA?

Sure. I don't know enough about Villarreal's girls program but certainly those numbers do not indicate competitiveness on an ECNL level with a few FCV players. And my understanding - unless someone answers the above question - is that FCV's top team would not be providing players. it would more come from the second teams that are in Fairfax (could be wrong about that).

Question is kind of moot since I don't think Villa is near getting a full ECNL spot any time soon. And even if the FCV relationship is full merger and the level is good enough to compete in ECNL, there's still the whole issue with ECNL and FCV. Touting this as access to ECNL for FCV seems like overreach. Possible there are opportunities for exposure that arise from this, but wouldn't think it would even be issue for the GA team since they get exposure already. This whole relationship seems to serve that second FCV team and bolster Villarreal's base. Too often people on here go to extremes, sadly.

And with FCV losing Evergreen after this FCV United teams will either stay in Loudoun or they will likely break up and head to VA Revolution, Loudoun, VSA etc. The GA teams will stay mostly intact if the club ends up practicing in Annandale but some players will likely change clubs in small numbers. FCV will fill those spots with either Villarreal kids or who ever shows up to tryouts. But FCV will stop being a Loudoun based club in very short order.

United teams are primarily at Bles. Faulty logic in your assumptions.

Not faulty logic, that is the point. They are not moving to Annandale so Villarreal teams will not have FCV players on them.

Ok, thanks for setting me straight. I guess you are right, Villarreal teams won’t have FCV players on them.

Not a single player!

No, not a single Loudoun based FCV United player will go to Annandale to play on a Villarreal team. Why would they?

Nope. Not a single one.

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Anonymous wrote:Ecnl-r > GAL

GA is not as good as ECNL but stop with this silliness of ECNL-R being a top league in any way shape or form. As ECNL and GA both continue to expand it is simply a race to the bottom.

I disagree. The mid Atlantic ecnl-r teams would do well in the GAL mid Atlantic.

Well arlington was average to above average in GA but you think their 2nd team would do well in Ga? Does not make sense unless you think there is little difference between their teams?

No. I think ecnl-r teams would do well in the GAL. Nothing about 2nd teams

You people are missing the point of ECNL-r. It doesn’t matter which league has better teams. They serve different purposes. ECNL and GAL are national leagues for players interested in getting maximum college exposure, showcases, etc. ECNL-r players are generally done playing after high school. Just because a player is in ECNL-R doesn’t mean they are inferior. Just that they are not likely to play in college.

I’m just saying that the GAL clubs are weak and on the same level as ECNL-R clubs. GAL may be a national league but everyone knows how weak most of the clubs are in GAL. The local ECNL-R clubs are just as good or better than most GAL clubs. Top ECNL-R girls will be recruited at the same level as GAL players. Don’t be naive to thinking this is a pathway to ECNL for FCV, which frankly these days is a glorified CCL club looking for a way to transition to Springfield

This is a pathway. Jealousy is unbecoming.

LOL ECNLr is for the second teams. It is not a pathway to anything. You really think ECNL will spend any time or resources pushing ECNLr to colleges?I got a bridge to sell you. ECNL’s path way in ECNL. GA will be better vs ECNLr any day of the week for anyone interested in college.

One jealous mom.

Seriously, what is there to be jealous of? Making a ECNL clubs B team or some small clubs A team? Are we all supposed to be jealous of ECNL’s B league?

It’s delicious to troll Soccer Mom A who thinks Dear Child is untouchable and that any league other than the one Dear Child plays is total garbage. You are insignificant. I think we’re done here.

BUH-bye!

As long as you understand that nobody is jealous of ECNL-R. You can beat your chest all you want but coming in here and trying to convince people that ECNL-R is the same as ECNL and somehow superior to other leagues is being ignorant.

It is ECNL’s B team league. That is just fact, it isn’t an insult it is just what ECNL intends it to be. So, it is a mix of ECNL B teams and non-ECNL club A teams.

Outside of a few players on each ECNL team, the talent in ECNL-RL is the same. 80% of the kids in ECNL are there because their parents grovel.

Ok, so you are a Villarreal parent who's kid didn't make a ECNL squad, presumably because you didn't grovel.

If FCV takes over do you honestly believe that improves your kids chances?

And as far as ECNL-R players being the same as ECNL I guess you don't know what you don't know. The top 3-4 ECNL-R players could be swapped for the bottom 3-4 players on a ECNL or GA roster. There may be a few kids who are very talented that had no interest in leaving their team to play on a ECNL team but by U15 frankly the talent has been picked clean and that is accounting for a very diluted "Elite" soccer landscape in NOVA.

7 "Elite" teams offering 140 spots per age group already. The talent drop off is significant after ECNL and GA in our area. ECNL-R will not be any proving ground or pathway into ECNL in our region.

Not Villarreal. You could swap the top 4-5 RL for any in the bottom 15-16 (of 20) and there is no difference. Also, reverse it and put one of the bottom 15-16 in an RL game and they wouldn’t change the game and probably wouldn’t even stand out. You don’t know what you don’t know.

The highest ranked ECNL-R 07 team in VA is Beach FC.

This was their results from last falls WAGS
11 Oct 20 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL 0 - 3 33.71
10 Oct 20 BALTIMORE ARMOUR ACADEMY GA 1 - 2 33.73
10 Oct 20 BALTIMORE CELTIC SC GA 0 - 1 33.61

They scored one goal against a GA team and lost to two GA and one ECNL teams.

They were close to GA but a 3 goal differential against their lone ECNL opponent doe not lead one to believe that the difference is just 3-4 players. And as a top ECNL-R team, while competitive they still lost to mid table GA teams.

You don't know what you don't know.

And Beach FC is significant because they do not have the player pool dilution and are pretty far away to lose their best players to Richmond ECNL. Beach has a pretty large and isolated player pool, unlike NOVA.

Yeah, in this area, the difference is 4-5 players. You’ll see when 4-5 players go to play at good college programs and the other 15 are looking at the Randolph Macons and other D-III schools, same as the non-ECNL players.

After a 0-3 loss to MD United ECNL you still think the difference between the two teams is 3-4 players?

You want an opinion simply based on a score? Have you watched soccer a long time? 3-0 games can be the equivalent of a 7-0 or a game where sides are even or the losing side was better.

Was it 3-0 in the first half and MD United backed off? Did MD United dominate the ball all game and not do enough with their chances? Or were the chances the same and only a couple late goals when losing team pushed forward flatter the score? I've seen teams win and lose 3-0 in games then were the worst team or dominated.

But as a general rule, I'd say that if you could sub your worst 3-4 players with 3-4 players that are your best players then you'd have a pretty good chances of winning a game or being competitive in games you competitive in and lost.

Ok, fair enough. Lets shift the conversation back to the actual club at hand then. Villarreal's ECNL-R team. Since we are talking a difference of only 3-4 players between ECNL-R and ECNL rosters then explain Villarreal's 07 ECNL-R loss to VA Revolution by 11-0 in the NPL State Cup?

How do you think Villarreal would fair against NC Courage or Richmond United? Do you think Villareal is just 3-4 players away form ECNL? Do you think ECNL believes Villareal is on the cusp as as club of being granted full ECNL? With U15 team ranked 43rd in VA?

Sure. I don't know enough about Villarreal's girls program but certainly those numbers do not indicate competitiveness on an ECNL level with a few FCV players. And my understanding - unless someone answers the above question - is that FCV's top team would not be providing players. it would more come from the second teams that are in Fairfax (could be wrong about that).

Question is kind of moot since I don't think Villa is near getting a full ECNL spot any time soon. And even if the FCV relationship is full merger and the level is good enough to compete in ECNL, there's still the whole issue with ECNL and FCV. Touting this as access to ECNL for FCV seems like overreach. Possible there are opportunities for exposure that arise from this, but wouldn't think it would even be issue for the GA team since they get exposure already. This whole relationship seems to serve that second FCV team and bolster Villarreal's base. Too often people on here go to extremes, sadly.

And with FCV losing Evergreen after this FCV United teams will either stay in Loudoun or they will likely break up and head to VA Revolution, Loudoun, VSA etc. The GA teams will stay mostly intact if the club ends up practicing in Annandale but some players will likely change clubs in small numbers. FCV will fill those spots with either Villarreal kids or who ever shows up to tryouts. But FCV will stop being a Loudoun based club in very short order.

United teams are primarily at Bles. Faulty logic in your assumptions.

Not faulty logic, that is the point. They are not moving to Annandale so Villarreal teams will not have FCV players on them.

Ok, thanks for setting me straight. I guess you are right, Villarreal teams won’t have FCV players on them.

Not a single player!

No, not a single Loudoun based FCV United player will go to Annandale to play on a Villarreal team. Why would they?

Nope. Not a single one.

So what’s the whole point of this fcv-viva partnership then?

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Ok, thanks for setting me straight. I guess you are right, Villarreal teams won’t have FCV players on them.

Not a single player!
No, not a single Loudoun based FCV United player will go to Annandale to play on a Villarreal team. Why would they?

Nope. Not a single one.



So what’s the whole point of this fcv-viva partnership then?

Field space in 2022.

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Anonymous wrote:

Ok, thanks for setting me straight. I guess you are right, Villarreal teams won’t have FCV players on them.

Not a single player!
No, not a single Loudoun based FCV United player will go to Annandale to play on a Villarreal team. Why would they?

Nope. Not a single one.



So what’s the whole point of this fcv-viva partnership then?

Field space in 2022.

VIVA parents can collect their money on the nightstand on their way out.

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Not Villarreal. You could swap the top 4-5 RL for any in the bottom 15-16 (of 20) and there is no difference. Also, reverse it and put one of the bottom 15-16 in an RL game and they wouldn’t change the game and probably wouldn’t even stand out. You don’t know what you don’t know.

The highest ranked ECNL-R 07 team in VA is Beach FC.

This was their results from last falls WAGS
11 Oct 20 MARYLAND UNITED FC ECNL 0 - 3 33.71
10 Oct 20 BALTIMORE ARMOUR ACADEMY GA 1 - 2 33.73
10 Oct 20 BALTIMORE CELTIC SC GA 0 - 1 33.61

They scored one goal against a GA team and lost to two GA and one ECNL teams.

They were close to GA but a 3 goal differential against their lone ECNL opponent doe not lead one to believe that the difference is just 3-4 players. And as a top ECNL-R team, while competitive they still lost to mid table GA teams.

You don't know what you don't know.

And Beach FC is significant because they do not have the player pool dilution and are pretty far away to lose their best players to Richmond ECNL. Beach has a pretty large and isolated player pool, unlike NOVA.

Yeah, in this area, the difference is 4-5 players. You’ll see when 4-5 players go to play at good college programs and the other 15 are looking at the Randolph Macons and other D-III schools, same as the non-ECNL players.

After a 0-3 loss to MD United ECNL you still think the difference between the two teams is 3-4 players?

You want an opinion simply based on a score? Have you watched soccer a long time? 3-0 games can be the equivalent of a 7-0 or a game where sides are even or the losing side was better.

Was it 3-0 in the first half and MD United backed off? Did MD United dominate the ball all game and not do enough with their chances? Or were the chances the same and only a couple late goals when losing team pushed forward flatter the score? I've seen teams win and lose 3-0 in games then were the worst team or dominated.

But as a general rule, I'd say that if you could sub your worst 3-4 players with 3-4 players that are your best players then you'd have a pretty good chances of winning a game or being competitive in games you competitive in and lost.

Last season, there was a team that lost every match except they got a tie against my son's team, and this should have been a win as they got a free kick goal off of a flop with 10 seconds left. A few top players were missing that day. My son's team ended up winning the playoffs with those few players added back.

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Is FCV officially in ECNL or ECNL-R, as the title of this thread says?

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No and No.

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Anonymous wrote:Is FCV officially in ECNL or ECNL-R, as the title of this thread says?

Neither. They have a "partership" with Villarreal Virginia Academy, who is playing in ECNL-R. TSJFCV is still in GA.

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Anonymous wrote:Is FCV officially in ECNL or ECNL-R, as the title of this thread says?

No and No.

Yes. TSJFCV players will be playing in ECNL - R games this fall.