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[quote=Anonymous][quote]1. When you say the coaches first contact with players is through email, are you saying coaches reach out first or the player? Because most of the time it is the player initiating. Usually then film is sent and then the player comes to camp. Once the player is in camp - and it's rare kids are turned down from camp - they don't assess kids based on club. They base it on what they see. Now, are some impressions made initially by club, sure. But coaches are smart enough to there is a huge difference in level among players at McLean or Arlington and that someone from ECNL-r or CCL can be better than many of the kids. It certainly is true with clubs like BRYC and Loudoun. The camp is the interview and most kids get the interview because they pay to go.[/quote]

I never said coaches contact the players first. Players email coaches and coaches will "respond" by attending showcase games if they are interested. All they have to go on at that point is a name, the club, league and hopefully some quality highlights. Coaches don't walk showcase fields window shopping either. they have a list of kids they intend on watching and that fills their day.

[quote]3. It depends on what you mean by recruited. Do you mean given scholarships (because most don't get them) or do you mean actively sought by coaches? This is surely true at the top-top level of ENCL. But again, a player from ENCL-r that impresses coaches won't be treated any different because of club if the coach has any sense.
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Recruited means actively sought by coaches, it does not mean committed. Whoever a coach is interested in they are going to treat the way they feel will win the player over if need be. But keep in mind as the process progresses the coaches list whittles down. If they have 5 spots to fill they will be "interested" in 50 players. That list will be whittled down through watching players in showcases, phone calls and ID camps. When they cut that list down to 15-20 who they think can play they start to look at grades and the intangibles. Do they trust the club coach? Have they committed several players from that club before and if so did they work out or not? The further away from larger established ECNL clubs/coaches with longer track records college coaches can get lost in the weeds with a club coach they simply don't know well so they tend to gravitate to the "safer" player.

[quote]4. Don't assume. Not a coach either. Have no dog in fight. Just love soccer and seen it with family and friends and been through it with sons. And to be clear, I never said it was the "same." I've only said that some of the best players have the opportunity to be recruited in the same way as most of the ENCL players. And I am sure some coaches at ECNL-r are saying this and it is wrong and terrible for the kids. Parents want to believe and they take their money. But it is also true that people at ENCL are selling the same dream and there are many being lied to in same way about college prospects.[/quote]

If you don't have girls or haven't watched much girls youth soccer then don't assume the gap between leagues is narrower than you think it is.

[quote]5. It's hard to compare across league but previously very good CCL teams were better than most ECNL-r clubs, though that is now changing with CCL falling apart. There's now some better clubs in ECNL-r and that's going to help build credibility and development.[/quote]

This is true except for ECNL and GA compared to ECNL-R, CCL, EDP, NCSL. The latter two in particular because of the many divisions, pro/rel and that teams play in EDP one year and change leagues the following year. There are some EDP teams and some ECNL-R teams who can compete with most typical ECNL teams but they are the outliars. And if a ECNL club is not convenient then a players is forced to find those unicorn teams and hope to get on one.

[quote]Lastly, it's also true that coaches don't scour every ECNL roster and recruit that way as well. Most recruiting is player-driven. You have to be aggressive and work relationships from a series of schools that you are interested in and fit you athletically and academically. So much money is wasted on private recruiting camps and such because there is this hope you go and will be seen on your best day and coaches will flock to you with scholarship offers. It's hard work to build that "resume" of film, school and camp performance. But kids can get there, especially if they realize it's hard work and they really want to attend the school their pursuing. Below the Florida States and North Caorlinas or Virginias and Georgetowns, there's lots of opportunity at D1 or D3 based on what you want to get out of college.[/quote]

This is all true but it also does not mean that the statement that a PP made about 14-15 kids on ECNL-R are the same as ECNL. Regardless of level of play each player must do a lot of work for their own recruitment but not playing on a ECNL or GA team is a significant hurdle to overcome even with lower level D1 schools. When a player sends a coach an email and they are from a ECNL team the coach understand the level of play and so the highlight film matters more. Sending highlights from your EDP South Atlantic Red division game against Burke just isn't going to pop off the page.

And it is hard to impress them if you are not even playing at the showcases they are attending. If the coaches are at Jeff Cup and you are playing in the St. Patrick's Day Tournament they are not going to see you in person. Women's soccer isn't college football where Ohio State has a huge recruiting budget to go to hundreds of HS games. Unless the school is local they aren't coming to a league game so the 4 showcases a year you have PLUS film are all you've got to prove yourself. [/quote]

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