FCV finds its way into ECNL. Loudoun’s days coming to an end
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Anonymous
Ok, fair enough. Lets shift the conversation back to the actual club at hand then. Villarreal's ECNL-R team. Since we are talking a difference of only 3-4 players between ECNL-R and ECNL rosters then explain Villarreal's 07 ECNL-R loss to VA Revolution by 11-0 in the NPL State Cup? How do you think Villarreal would fair against NC Courage or Richmond United? Do you think Villareal is just 3-4 players away form ECNL? Do you think ECNL believes Villareal is on the cusp as as club of being granted full ECNL? With U15 team ranked 43rd in VA? |
Anonymous
This where you expose yourself. Colleges don't create tiers of recruits based on league. They know the worst kids in ECNL are not better than the best kids in ECNL-r. And those kids will be head and shoulders above other kids and they'll be equal to many talented ECNL kids. ECNL-r is massive league across multiple regions with differing abilities. ECNL-r in California is going to be different than here or Northeast or South. You're right they scout kids and not teams. Which makes my point. Every player is different and they're evaluated that way. Does playing against better competition matter for development and exposure? Sure. And their chances in ECNL are better. No doubt about that. But stating an absolute that every ECNL kid is in line before ECNL-R is ridiculous. That's why colleges have camps to group players and have them compete against each other. The best are the ones recruited. I know several kids in ECNL-r or CCL that got spots ahead of ECNL at Division I and other schools. |
Anonymous
Sure. I don't know enough about Villarreal's girls program but certainly those numbers do not indicate competitiveness on an ECNL level with a few FCV players. And my understanding - unless someone answers the above question - is that FCV's top team would not be providing players. it would more come from the second teams that are in Fairfax (could be wrong about that). Question is kind of moot since I don't think Villa is near getting a full ECNL spot any time soon. And even if the FCV relationship is full merger and the level is good enough to compete in ECNL, there's still the whole issue with ECNL and FCV. Touting this as access to ECNL for FCV seems like overreach. Possible there are opportunities for exposure that arise from this, but wouldn't think it would even be issue for the GA team since they get exposure already. This whole relationship seems to serve that second FCV team and bolster Villarreal's base. Too often people on here go to extremes, sadly. |
Anonymous
They scout kids at levels of play they know and trust. ECNL-R is closer to play with CCL, NCSL and EDP and your kid really needs to be a true standout at that level to draw interest. When they see a kid play well at ECNL or GA showcase they can trust what they are seeing on the field because the level of competition. There were 11 brackets at Jeff cup this past year at U14 and Villarreal instead chose to play in the prestigious Stafford St. Patrick's Day tournament instead. I'm sure any number of D1 schools would be excited by your DD's hattrick against Loudoun Silver in that tournament. Now they would have to see it on film because they are at Jeff Cup instead. I mean a real battle of the titans for coaches to come and watch, the 43rd ranked Villarreal vs the 89th ranked Loudoun Silver. The point isn't that your DD isn't good at soccer, the point is she will not be at a venue where she will be seen by enough coaches. She won't get better being on a at best mediocre team playing against bad teams in a tournament where only teams Jeff Cup wouldn't accept go to play. And, lets not claim Jeff Cup is drawing UNC or Stanford here. The coaches that do go are from low D1, D2 and run of the mill D3 schools. And even those coaches are not venturing to watch teams lower than the 4th bracket. But again, Villareal is on the cusp of ECNL. 
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Anonymous
And with FCV losing Evergreen after this FCV United teams will either stay in Loudoun or they will likely break up and head to VA Revolution, Loudoun, VSA etc. The GA teams will stay mostly intact if the club ends up practicing in Annandale but some players will likely change clubs in small numbers. FCV will fill those spots with either Villarreal kids or who ever shows up to tryouts. But FCV will stop being a Loudoun based club in very short order. |
Anonymous
| No one is NOVA is getting ECNL. |
Anonymous
United teams are primarily at Bles. Faulty logic in your assumptions. |
Anonymous
Not faulty logic, that is the point. They are not moving to Annandale so Villarreal teams will not have FCV players on them. |
Anonymous
Ok, thanks for setting me straight. I guess you are right, Villarreal teams won’t have FCV players on them. |
Anonymous
| Sorry to burst everyone's bubble but Annandale (villareal) only has girls talent at u9-u10. After that, the girls teams end up getting neglected or not coached properly, and if they had any naturally talented players to begin with, you won't find them there anymore. Annandale does not have any clue how to develop female players and most their older teams over the last few years have broken up, scattered, or joined other clubs. When Annandale became viva, they pretty much said we're only going to focus on the boys side. There's some raw talent at the younger ages but they're gone by u11 or u12 at latest. |
Anonymous
| What exactly is coming to an end here for Loudoun? Apparently 4 players switched from Loudoun to FCV. That still leaves FCV with 1/30 the number of players as Loudoun. |
Anonymous
First, your conflating this discussion about Villarreal and college recruiting. Nothing I said was about Villarreal or my daughter. She doesn't even play soccer, so you're making a lot of assumptions about things I didn't say and distracting from my point. You act as if the way this works is that coaches show up at showcases and are randomly watching kids to find players and that's how they are "found." Except it isn't. Coaches don't have time for that. The good schools show up at showcases knowing which games they want to watch because they've been in communication with prospects and have seen film and probably had them in camp. You completely contradict your theory of recruiting when you say the best schools don't show up at these events. And that's true. So how do they find them? Not at ECNL games. If you had read what I had written, I was talking about how not every ECNL/GA player is tiered above ECNL-r and there's a lot of opportunity for the best ECNL-r to find their way on Division I rosters. The path may be more difficult but presenting it as having to wait behind every ECNL/GA player is ridiculous. Recruiting is about relationships, grades, money and other factors AND playing ability because lots of players are in the same cluster - regardless of league - and you have to differentiate yourself. If show me coaches that only recruit from showcases and tournaments and look at leagues first then you are showing me a lazy coach that i wouldn't want my child to play for and probably won't be at the job very long. |
Anonymous
| Is FCV GA continuing to practice at Evergreen? If not where will they practice. |
Anonymous
All current evergreen contracts are being honored. FCV is at evergreen through next summer. |
Anonymous
1. I never said coaches show up and watch random games. I mentioned film several times. Coaches first contact with kids is often through email and those that are from ECNL or GA get moved to the top of the list for follow up, not unlike a good resume. 2. You or someone said that 14-15 players on a ECNL and a ECNL-R team are the same. No they are not. The bottom 4 of ECNL and top 4 ECNL-R are similar but the ECNL-R level drops off significantly from there. 3. Not every player wants to play at a D1 school regardless of ability or potential. Not every D1 school is head and shoulders better than D2 or D3. College choice is about school and best fit for several reasons. The level of college soccer is not what differentiates a ECNL player from a ECNL-R player. Many ECNL players may in fact end up at the same soccer level as some ECNL-R players. The difference is that unlike ECNL-R, most (14-15) ECNL players WILL BE RECRUITED compared to 4-5 ECNL-R players. 4. If you don’t have a DD who even plays soccer I presume you’re a coach, and a ECNL-R coach at that. I certainly hope that if you are coaching players who have the potential to play soccer in college that you are encouraging them to play at a level where they will be properly showcased. Do not sell them snake oil that ECNL-R is “the same” thing and that you will get them to the program they want. If you’re doing that you are simply hoarding those players and you are doing them and their families a great disservice unless you personally are committing 14-15 of your players every year. And if it is true for your team and your players it most certainly will not be the case for players on a team like Villarreal 07’s. Perpetuating a myth that 14-15 players on a 43rd ranked team in Virginia are just as good as kids on VDA is a lie. And any parent with a kid on a ECNL-R team must be told that it is a lie. 5. Villarreal as an example points to the more typical ECNL-R quality team. There is no real separation between typical ECNL-R, NCSL, CCL and EDP teams. Women college soccer coaches simply do not have the recruiting budget, staff or time to scour through multiple lower leagues to find players those that do are lower level college programs both soccer wise and academically. |