Ivies vs. Top 20 schools (after listening to many a podcast on the subject)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Ivies:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Dartmouth
Cornell

Non-Ivies:
Stanford
MIT
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Caltech
Johns Hopkins


They are pretty evenly matched

Not really.

Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Chicago easily face up to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. Northwestern, Duke, and Johns Hopkins are peers to Penn, Cornell, Brown, and Dartmouth. They are evenly matched.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Ivies:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Dartmouth
Cornell

Non-Ivies:
Stanford
MIT
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Caltech
Johns Hopkinso


They are pretty evenly matched

Not really.

Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Chicago easily face up to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. Northwestern, Duke, and Johns Hopkins are peers to Penn, Cornell, Brown, and Dartmouth. They are evenly matched.

Stanford can only do so much heavy life dying for you.

So, no.

[Anonymous]

^ lifting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Ivies:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Dartmouth
Cornell

Non-Ivies:
Stanford
MIT
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Caltech
Johns Hopkins


They are pretty evenly matched

Not really.

Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Chicago easily face up to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. Northwestern, Duke, and Johns Hopkins are peers to Penn, Cornell, Brown, and Dartmouth. They are evenly matched.

+1. Might as well make a “new Ivy League” with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Chicago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Ivies:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Dartmouth
Cornell

Non-Ivies:
Stanford
MIT
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Caltech
Johns Hopkins


They are pretty evenly matched

Not really.

Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Chicago easily face up to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. Northwestern, Duke, and Johns Hopkins are peers to Penn, Cornell, Brown, and Dartmouth. They are evenly matched.

Stanford can only do so much heavy life dying for you.

So, no.

And Harvard can only do so much heavy lifting for the rest of the Ivy League.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Ivies:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Dartmouth
Cornell

Non-Ivies:
Stanford
MIT
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Caltech
Johns Hopkins


They are pretty evenly matched

Not really.

Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Chicago easily face up to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. Northwestern, Duke, and Johns Hopkins are peers to Penn, Cornell, Brown, and Dartmouth. They are evenly matched.

+1. Might as well make a “new Ivy League” with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Chicago.

Well, the Big 10 now has 14 teams... so just expand! Cross country conferences! East coast, west coast, and the midwest... got it all covered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Ivies:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Dartmouth
Cornell

Non-Ivies:
Stanford
MIT
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Caltech
Johns Hopkins


They are pretty evenly matched

Not really.

Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Chicago easily face up to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. Northwestern, Duke, and Johns Hopkins are peers to Penn, Cornell, Brown, and Dartmouth. They are evenly matched.

+1. Might as well make a “new Ivy League” with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Chicago.

Well, the Big 10 now has 14 teams... so just expand! Cross country conferences! East coast, west coast, and the midwest... got it all covered.

Should just be HYPSM and then rest of top 15

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Ivies:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Dartmouth
Cornell

Non-Ivies:
Stanford
MIT
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Caltech
Johns Hopkins


They are pretty evenly matched

Not really.

Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Chicago easily face up to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. Northwestern, Duke, and Johns Hopkins are peers to Penn, Cornell, Brown, and Dartmouth. They are evenly matched.

+1. Might as well make a “new Ivy League” with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Chicago.

Well, the Big 10 now has 14 teams... so just expand! Cross country conferences! East coast, west coast, and the midwest... got it all covered.

Should just be HYPSM and then rest of top 15

I would include Caltech, Columbia, Chicago (and possibly Penn) with HYPSM. What separates these 8 schools from the rest of the T20s is that they are world-class institutions that have been, and currently are absolute leaders of America’s academia. The other T20s offer a great undergrad experience too but their departments are not as highly ranked.

If you look at global rankings, which emphasize academics more than anything else, you’ll know what I’m talking about. These 8 schools + Berkeley are always highly ranked. The HYPSM designation isn’t even present in the global rankings.

[Anonymous]

HYPSM are universally recognized as the T5. There is not much debate about that. They all have sizable endowment that others can't match. They are the only elite institutions that offer non-binding early actions while everyone else employs ED. In spite of that, their yield rate is consistently high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Ivies:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Dartmouth
Cornell

Non-Ivies:
Stanford
MIT
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Caltech
Johns Hopkins


They are pretty evenly matched

Not really.

Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Chicago easily face up to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. Northwestern, Duke, and Johns Hopkins are peers to Penn, Cornell, Brown, and Dartmouth. They are evenly matched.

+1. Might as well make a “new Ivy League” with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Chicago.

Well, the Big 10 now has 14 teams... so just expand! Cross country conferences! East coast, west coast, and the midwest... got it all covered.

Should just be HYPSM and then rest of top 15

I would include Caltech, Columbia, Chicago (and possibly Penn) with HYPSM. What separates these 8 schools from the rest of the T20s is that they are world-class institutions that have been, and currently are absolute leaders of America’s academia. The other T20s offer a great undergrad experience too but their departments are not as highly ranked.

If you look at global rankings, which emphasize academics more than anything else, you’ll know what I’m talking about. These 8 schools + Berkeley are always highly ranked. The HYPSM designation isn’t even present in the global rankings.

I would not bundle those 3 or 4 schools with HYPSM. HYPSM is in a league of its own, and then the rest

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Ivies:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Dartmouth
Cornell

Non-Ivies:
Stanford
MIT
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Caltech
Johns Hopkins


They are pretty evenly matched

Not really.

Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Chicago easily face up to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. Northwestern, Duke, and Johns Hopkins are peers to Penn, Cornell, Brown, and Dartmouth. They are evenly matched.

+1. Might as well make a “new Ivy League” with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Chicago.

Well, the Big 10 now has 14 teams... so just expand! Cross country conferences! East coast, west coast, and the midwest... got it all covered.

Should just be HYPSM and then rest of top 15

I would include Caltech, Columbia, Chicago (and possibly Penn) with HYPSM. What separates these 8 schools from the rest of the T20s is that they are world-class institutions that have been, and currently are absolute leaders of America’s academia. The other T20s offer a great undergrad experience too but their departments are not as highly ranked.

If you look at global rankings, which emphasize academics more than anything else, you’ll know what I’m talking about. These 8 schools + Berkeley are always highly ranked. The HYPSM designation isn’t even present in the global rankings.

I would not bundle those 3 or 4 schools with HYPSM. HYPSM is in a league of its own, and then the rest

Agree it's should just be T5 and T15 when classifying elite colleges

[Anonymous]

Agreed. And the 15 schools listed above (Ivy + non-Ivy) are indisputably the top 15 in this country. Impressive list.

[Anonymous]

That probably makes sense. HYPSM are in a class by themselves.

[Anonymous]

You are all so weird with your obsession over rankings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are all so weird with your obsession over rankings.

I'm pretty it's just one person posting multiple times to create a fake consensus.