Ivies vs. Top 20 schools (after listening to many a podcast on the subject)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In many cases, parents have bulldozed the "achievements" of the successful applicants to the Ivies. There are very few kids who actually start their own non-profits/businesses on their own, like that.

Yup. I'm sure there are some, but there are also plenty whose parents are behind it, like in our school. The kid is lovely and really does do a lot, but the mom runs the nonprofit and signs the kid's name. & she also, invested in the middle school service group, then pulled lots of resources from them when she** I mean her kid** started "their" own NP. It was ugly. She also pretends to be local when she is out of the area (kid is in a magnet), has tried to poach donations from other groups, name drops, and repeatedly posts on listservs to raise money or volunteers right after another group posts. I'm sure there are some good intentions here somewhere, but it's just classic tiger mom behavior. Lots of other parents joke about whether this NP will still be around after the kid "gets into Harvard."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are all so weird with your obsession over rankings.

I'm pretty it's just one person posting multiple times to create a fake consensus.

Well there’s at least two of us cuz I didn’t post the above and I agree. Not exactly groundbreaking or revelatory though is it? Those top 15 schools have always been tops, not much to argue over to create a fake consensus.

I think folks at some intelligence agency or consulting firm are trying to identify us. These kinds of threads, and threads about travel ideas and jobs, probably help with that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In many cases, parents have bulldozed the "achievements" of the successful applicants to the Ivies. There are very few kids who actually start their own non-profits/businesses on their own, like that.

Yup. I'm sure there are some, but there are also plenty whose parents are behind it, like in our school. The kid is lovely and really does do a lot, but the mom runs the nonprofit and signs the kid's name. & she also, invested in the middle school service group, then pulled lots of resources from them when she** I mean her kid** started "their" own NP. It was ugly. She also pretends to be local when she is out of the area (kid is in a magnet), has tried to poach donations from other groups, name drops, and repeatedly posts on listservs to raise money or volunteers right after another group posts. I'm sure there are some good intentions here somewhere, but it's just classic tiger mom behavior. Lots of other parents joke about whether this NP will still be around after the kid "gets into Harvard."

First of all, aren't you ashamed of idly gossiping negatively with other parents while this parent and their kid is doing some good, regardless of what their motivation is?

Second are you really naïve enough to think that you can know all this (I'm not sure how) and the adcoms, who see this every day, can't?

Third are you really naïve enough to think this charity will get the kid into Harvard without top grades and scores?

Fourth, if you thought so, why are you too lazy to help your own kid? (Don't bother, it won't help, you are at least right about that).

Sorry to be so tough on you, but it amazes and saddens me the bitterness people have and express about this stuff. You are not nice people, even though you think you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In many cases, parents have bulldozed the "achievements" of the successful applicants to the Ivies. There are very few kids who actually start their own non-profits/businesses on their own, like that.

Yup. I'm sure there are some, but there are also plenty whose parents are behind it, like in our school. The kid is lovely and really does do a lot, but the mom runs the nonprofit and signs the kid's name. & she also, invested in the middle school service group, then pulled lots of resources from them when she** I mean her kid** started "their" own NP. It was ugly. She also pretends to be local when she is out of the area (kid is in a magnet), has tried to poach donations from other groups, name drops, and repeatedly posts on listservs to raise money or volunteers right after another group posts. I'm sure there are some good intentions here somewhere, but it's just classic tiger mom behavior. Lots of other parents joke about whether this NP will still be around after the kid "gets into Harvard."

First of all, aren't you ashamed of idly gossiping negatively with other parents while this parent and their kid is doing some good, regardless of what their motivation is?

Second are you really naïve enough to think that you can know all this (I'm not sure how) and the adcoms, who see this every day, can't?

Third are you really naïve enough to think this charity will get the kid into Harvard without top grades and scores?

Fourth, if you thought so, why are you too lazy to help your own kid? (Don't bother, it won't help, you are at least right about that).

Sorry to be so tough on you, but it amazes and saddens me the bitterness people have and express about this stuff. You are not nice people, even though you think you are.

First of all, Nope. This parent has caused so much grief to other charitable orgs, and it's frustrating to see her repeatedly pass off the org as student run when she is clearly running it.
Secondly, nope again, not naive. I have dealt extensively w/ this parent and the fallout of the way she has adversely affected other charities, including the school service organization and the PTA and how she misrepresented her organization as part of the school to enrich it.
Third, again, not naive. The kid is a great student, and no one thinks founding a charity alone will gain access to Harvard et al. Making an accusation like THAT is naive.
Fourth, this is a jumble of silly assumptions. My kid is good. No worries there.
Finally, this is so full of petty assumptions and way off base because you know nothing about this. Also, the sorry line is laughable as is the idea that you somehow get to evaluate me. So bizarre. But, it (along w/ all the accusations) makes me wonder, are you THAT mom? Maybe. I'm sure she monitors these boards. Maybe this struck a nerve. FWIW, I do think that mom has some good intentions overall, she just accompanies that with a lot of dubious and even unethical behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In many cases, parents have bulldozed the "achievements" of the successful applicants to the Ivies. There are very few kids who actually start their own non-profits/businesses on their own, like that.

Yup. I'm sure there are some, but there are also plenty whose parents are behind it, like in our school. The kid is lovely and really does do a lot, but the mom runs the nonprofit and signs the kid's name. & she also, invested in the middle school service group, then pulled lots of resources from them when she** I mean her kid** started "their" own NP. It was ugly. She also pretends to be local when she is out of the area (kid is in a magnet), has tried to poach donations from other groups, name drops, and repeatedly posts on listservs to raise money or volunteers right after another group posts. I'm sure there are some good intentions here somewhere, but it's just classic tiger mom behavior. Lots of other parents joke about whether this NP will still be around after the kid "gets into Harvard."

First of all, aren't you ashamed of idly gossiping negatively with other parents while this parent and their kid is doing some good, regardless of what their motivation is?

Second are you really naïve enough to think that you can know all this (I'm not sure how) and the adcoms, who see this every day, can't?

Third are you really naïve enough to think this charity will get the kid into Harvard without top grades and scores?

Fourth, if you thought so, why are you too lazy to help your own kid? (Don't bother, it won't help, you are at least right about that).

Sorry to be so tough on you, but it amazes and saddens me the bitterness people have and express about this stuff. You are not nice people, even though you think you are.

First of all, Nope. This parent has caused so much grief to other charitable orgs, and it's frustrating to see her repeatedly pass off the org as student run when she is clearly running it.
Secondly, nope again, not naive. I have dealt extensively w/ this parent and the fallout of the way she has adversely affected other charities, including the school service organization and the PTA and how she misrepresented her organization as part of the school to enrich it.
Third, again, not naive. The kid is a great student, and no one thinks founding a charity alone will gain access to Harvard et al. Making an accusation like THAT is naive.
Fourth, this is a jumble of silly assumptions. My kid is good. No worries there.
Finally, this is so full of petty assumptions and way off base because you know nothing about this. Also, the sorry line is laughable as is the idea that you somehow get to evaluate me. So bizarre. But, it (along w/ all the accusations) makes me wonder, are you THAT mom? Maybe. I'm sure she monitors these boards. Maybe this struck a nerve. FWIW, I do think that mom has some good intentions overall, she just accompanies that with a lot of dubious and even unethical behavior.

No, you are a bitter and spiteful person, even if you are factually correct. End period. I know you don't think so but your words speak for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In many cases, parents have bulldozed the "achievements" of the successful applicants to the Ivies. There are very few kids who actually start their own non-profits/businesses on their own, like that.

Yup. I'm sure there are some, but there are also plenty whose parents are behind it, like in our school. The kid is lovely and really does do a lot, but the mom runs the nonprofit and signs the kid's name. & she also, invested in the middle school service group, then pulled lots of resources from them when she** I mean her kid** started "their" own NP. It was ugly. She also pretends to be local when she is out of the area (kid is in a magnet), has tried to poach donations from other groups, name drops, and repeatedly posts on listservs to raise money or volunteers right after another group posts. I'm sure there are some good intentions here somewhere, but it's just classic tiger mom behavior. Lots of other parents joke about whether this NP will still be around after the kid "gets into Harvard."

First of all, aren't you ashamed of idly gossiping negatively with other parents while this parent and their kid is doing some good, regardless of what their motivation is?

Second are you really naïve enough to think that you can know all this (I'm not sure how) and the adcoms, who see this every day, can't?

Third are you really naïve enough to think this charity will get the kid into Harvard without top grades and scores?

Fourth, if you thought so, why are you too lazy to help your own kid? (Don't bother, it won't help, you are at least right about that).

Sorry to be so tough on you, but it amazes and saddens me the bitterness people have and express about this stuff. You are not nice people, even though you think you are.

First of all, Nope. This parent has caused so much grief to other charitable orgs, and it's frustrating to see her repeatedly pass off the org as student run when she is clearly running it.
Secondly, nope again, not naive. I have dealt extensively w/ this parent and the fallout of the way she has adversely affected other charities, including the school service organization and the PTA and how she misrepresented her organization as part of the school to enrich it.
Third, again, not naive. The kid is a great student, and no one thinks founding a charity alone will gain access to Harvard et al. Making an accusation like THAT is naive.
Fourth, this is a jumble of silly assumptions. My kid is good. No worries there.
Finally, this is so full of petty assumptions and way off base because you know nothing about this. Also, the sorry line is laughable as is the idea that you somehow get to evaluate me. So bizarre. But, it (along w/ all the accusations) makes me wonder, are you THAT mom? Maybe. I'm sure she monitors these boards. Maybe this struck a nerve. FWIW, I do think that mom has some good intentions overall, she just accompanies that with a lot of dubious and even unethical behavior.

No, you are a bitter and spiteful person, even if you are factually correct. End period. I know you don't think so but your words speak for themselves.

Definitely touched a nerve here. A number of people have said similar things, but you only single out this one. Hmmmmmm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In many cases, parents have bulldozed the "achievements" of the successful applicants to the Ivies. There are very few kids who actually start their own non-profits/businesses on their own, like that.

Yup. I'm sure there are some, but there are also plenty whose parents are behind it, like in our school. The kid is lovely and really does do a lot, but the mom runs the nonprofit and signs the kid's name. & she also, invested in the middle school service group, then pulled lots of resources from them when she** I mean her kid** started "their" own NP. It was ugly. She also pretends to be local when she is out of the area (kid is in a magnet), has tried to poach donations from other groups, name drops, and repeatedly posts on listservs to raise money or volunteers right after another group posts. I'm sure there are some good intentions here somewhere, but it's just classic tiger mom behavior. Lots of other parents joke about whether this NP will still be around after the kid "gets into Harvard."

First of all, aren't you ashamed of idly gossiping negatively with other parents while this parent and their kid is doing some good, regardless of what their motivation is?

Second are you really naïve enough to think that you can know all this (I'm not sure how) and the adcoms, who see this every day, can't?

Third are you really naïve enough to think this charity will get the kid into Harvard without top grades and scores?

Fourth, if you thought so, why are you too lazy to help your own kid? (Don't bother, it won't help, you are at least right about that).

Sorry to be so tough on you, but it amazes and saddens me the bitterness people have and express about this stuff. You are not nice people, even though you think you are.

First of all, Nope. This parent has caused so much grief to other charitable orgs, and it's frustrating to see her repeatedly pass off the org as student run when she is clearly running it.
Secondly, nope again, not naive. I have dealt extensively w/ this parent and the fallout of the way she has adversely affected other charities, including the school service organization and the PTA and how she misrepresented her organization as part of the school to enrich it.
Third, again, not naive. The kid is a great student, and no one thinks founding a charity alone will gain access to Harvard et al. Making an accusation like THAT is naive.
Fourth, this is a jumble of silly assumptions. My kid is good. No worries there.
Finally, this is so full of petty assumptions and way off base because you know nothing about this. Also, the sorry line is laughable as is the idea that you somehow get to evaluate me. So bizarre. But, it (along w/ all the accusations) makes me wonder, are you THAT mom? Maybe. I'm sure she monitors these boards. Maybe this struck a nerve. FWIW, I do think that mom has some good intentions overall, she just accompanies that with a lot of dubious and even unethical behavior.

No, you are a bitter and spiteful person, even if you are factually correct. End period. I know you don't think so but your words speak for themselves.

Definitely touched a nerve here. A number of people have said similar things, but you only single out this one. Hmmmmmm.

Yeah, keep accusing. No I have not "singled out" this one. Read the thread for my first post above, and I assume you know that "people" is plural.

Nast people here on DCUM. Nasty nasty nasty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In many cases, parents have bulldozed the "achievements" of the successful applicants to the Ivies. There are very few kids who actually start their own non-profits/businesses on their own, like that.

This is so true. I know a couple kids who "started a nonprofit" and we heard about it ad nauseum, until they got into college (not Ivies). And then the great nonprofit work they were doing magically went away.