Ivies vs. Top 20 schools (after listening to many a podcast on the subject)

[Anonymous]

Why wouldn't students that view harvard or princeton, etc. as unfortunate places full of arrogant cheating fakes just choose to attend a different institution? Problem solved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The admissions* committee* can spot the fakes.

They usually cannot.

Bullshit.

You think you can spot the fakes without seeing their application and transcripts, and professionals who look at thousands of applications and get to see their transcripts can't tell? You know better than the professionals?

That's some serious anti-vaxxer like logic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The admissions* committee* can spot the fakes.

They usually cannot.

Bullshit.

You think you can spot the fakes without seeing their application and transcripts, and professionals who look at thousands of applications and get to see their transcripts can't tell? You know better than the professionals?

That's some serious anti-vaxxer like logic.

A friend of ours got their DS into an Ivy this year and we know they faked so many things. Mom did a bunch of stuff that is passed of as the kids work. We got an intimate look as they are the only family in our bubble. We warned them it is a huge risk but they gambled and the kid got in.

[Anonymous]

What was the stand out activity or passion that she fakes for him? Did she impersonate him out on the track or do his science research for him and write it up and present it? Did she play his instrument for him or put on a costume and preform the lead role for him? What was this special thing that they faked for him?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The admissions* committee* can spot the fakes.

They usually cannot.

Bullshit.

You think you can spot the fakes without seeing their application and transcripts, and professionals who look at thousands of applications and get to see their transcripts can't tell? You know better than the professionals?

That's some serious anti-vaxxer like logic.

A friend of ours got their DS into an Ivy this year and we know they faked so many things. Mom did a bunch of stuff that is passed of as the kids work. We got an intimate look as they are the only family in our bubble. We warned them it is a huge risk but they gambled and the kid got in.

Again, Bullshit.

Did you see the kid's transcript? What find of "stuff" did mom do? What makes you think it was that stuff that got them admitted? Were the guidance counselor and the teachers who wrote recommendations fooled by mom also?

If it were true - and it isn't - why would they tell you this?

This is why I call bullshit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The admissions* committee* can spot the fakes.

They usually cannot.

Bullshit.

You think you can spot the fakes without seeing their application and transcripts, and professionals who look at thousands of applications and get to see their transcripts can't tell? You know better than the professionals?

That's some serious anti-vaxxer like logic.

A friend of ours got their DS into an Ivy this year and we know they faked so many things. Mom did a bunch of stuff that is passed of as the kids work. We got an intimate look as they are the only family in our bubble. We warned them it is a huge risk but they gambled and the kid got in.

Again, Bullshit.

Did you see the kid's transcript? What find of "stuff" did mom do? What makes you think it was that stuff that got them admitted? Were the guidance counselor and the teachers who wrote recommendations fooled by mom also?

If it were true - and it isn't - why would they tell you this?

This is why I call bullshit.

Calm down! Relax! Why are you so wound up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The admissions* committee* can spot the fakes.

They usually cannot.

Bullshit.

You think you can spot the fakes without seeing their application and transcripts, and professionals who look at thousands of applications and get to see their transcripts can't tell? You know better than the professionals?

That's some serious anti-vaxxer like logic.

A friend of ours got their DS into an Ivy this year and we know they faked so many things. Mom did a bunch of stuff that is passed of as the kids work. We got an intimate look as they are the only family in our bubble. We warned them it is a huge risk but they gambled and the kid got in.

Again, Bullshit.

Did you see the kid's transcript? What find of "stuff" did mom do? What makes you think it was that stuff that got them admitted? Were the guidance counselor and the teachers who wrote recommendations fooled by mom also?

If it were true - and it isn't - why would they tell you this?

This is why I call bullshit.

Calm down! Relax! Why are you so wound up?

Not excited. Hate bullshit. It damages people involved in this hard process. I assume you to be the bullshit-spewer with no substantive response. So provide one please, or let it be know that your claim is false.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The admissions* committee* can spot the fakes.

They usually cannot.

Bullshit.

You think you can spot the fakes without seeing their application and transcripts, and professionals who look at thousands of applications and get to see their transcripts can't tell? You know better than the professionals?

That's some serious anti-vaxxer like logic.

A friend of ours got their DS into an Ivy this year and we know they faked so many things. Mom did a bunch of stuff that is passed of as the kids work. We got an intimate look as they are the only family in our bubble. We warned them it is a huge risk but they gambled and the kid got in.

Again, Bullshit.

Did you see the kid's transcript? What find of "stuff" did mom do? What makes you think it was that stuff that got them admitted? Were the guidance counselor and the teachers who wrote recommendations fooled by mom also?

If it were true - and it isn't - why would they tell you this?

This is why I call bullshit.

Calm down! Relax! Why are you so wound up?

Not excited. Hate bullshit. It damages people involved in this hard process. I assume you to be the bullshit-spewer with no substantive response. So provide one please, or let it be know that your claim is false.

DP. If pp hasn’t been on this board long, they probably don’t realize that there’s a person who used to work at a college admissions office who stalks this board and posts extremely defensive replies to anyone who alleges that college admissions officers are anything but saintly, wise, all-seeing, self-sacrificing social workers who are completely isolated from any pressure to take actions that serve the university’s interests. If you make suggestions to the contrary, they will demand that you provide evidence. When you cite your own experience, they call you a liar. If you provide citations to evidence from others, they will call it anecdotal or ignore it and claim that any criticism of the process is “damaging.” Because, in this person’s mind, the process, and the people involved in it, are perfect.

There’s really no point in engaging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You have to play the game these days to get into an Ivy. My daughter is at an Ivy now and very happy. Her goal through HS was to go to one specific Ivy but we are not legacy and have no hooks and she almost had a nervous breakdown trying to check all the boxes to be considered a strong applicant. Other kids at her school aiming for top schools were all the same. You need to game the process as much as possible. I know parents who helped their kids set up non-profits or who used their connections to get their kids fancy internships. I’m amazed how easily admissions officers get impressed by all this crap. Parents involvement is pretty clear but the admissions folks clearly choose to look the other way. Also, the number of incredibly wealthy kids at my kid’s Ivy school is astounding to both of us.

This is what gets me. I guess these kids show that they can handle a busy schedule, but the “accomplishments” are so often clearly parent-generated. I think they’re missing a lot of brilliant kids who just haven’t chosen to play the “game.”

My experience with hiring recent Ivy grads is that they are smart and good at working the system, but are not even close to being the most intellectual & interesting young people I’ve worked with.

I have the impression you've posted the same thing several times on this thread, and perhaps are barely keeping your resentment towards the Ivies in check, but let me just politely throw out the possibility that the most intellectual and interesting young Ivy grads aren't interested in your organization (whereas it may be a comparatively more attractive option for applicants coming from other schools).

Yeah, you must be right. It must be the bottom of the barrel Ivy grads who wanted to work in the Obama White House.

[Anonymous]

Good one

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The admissions* committee* can spot the fakes.

They usually cannot.

Bullshit.

You think you can spot the fakes without seeing their application and transcripts, and professionals who look at thousands of applications and get to see their transcripts can't tell? You know better than the professionals?

That's some serious anti-vaxxer like logic.

A friend of ours got their DS into an Ivy this year and we know they faked so many things. Mom did a bunch of stuff that is passed of as the kids work. We got an intimate look as they are the only family in our bubble. We warned them it is a huge risk but they gambled and the kid got in.

Again, Bullshit.

Did you see the kid's transcript? What find of "stuff" did mom do? What makes you think it was that stuff that got them admitted? Were the guidance counselor and the teachers who wrote recommendations fooled by mom also?

If it were true - and it isn't - why would they tell you this?

This is why I call bullshit.

+1. I love these stories of other parents confiding about committing fraud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You have to play the game these days to get into an Ivy. My daughter is at an Ivy now and very happy. Her goal through HS was to go to one specific Ivy but we are not legacy and have no hooks and she almost had a nervous breakdown trying to check all the boxes to be considered a strong applicant. Other kids at her school aiming for top schools were all the same. You need to game the process as much as possible. I know parents who helped their kids set up non-profits or who used their connections to get their kids fancy internships. I’m amazed how easily admissions officers get impressed by all this crap. Parents involvement is pretty clear but the admissions folks clearly choose to look the other way. Also, the number of incredibly wealthy kids at my kid’s Ivy school is astounding to both of us.

This is what gets me. I guess these kids show that they can handle a busy schedule, but the “accomplishments” are so often clearly parent-generated. I think they’re missing a lot of brilliant kids who just haven’t chosen to play the “game.”

My experience with hiring recent Ivy grads is that they are smart and good at working the system, but are not even close to being the most intellectual & interesting young people I’ve worked with.

I have the impression you've posted the same thing several times on this thread, and perhaps are barely keeping your resentment towards the Ivies in check, but let me just politely throw out the possibility that the most intellectual and interesting young Ivy grads aren't interested in your organization (whereas it may be a comparatively more attractive option for applicants coming from other schools).

Yeah, you must be right. It must be the bottom of the barrel Ivy grads who wanted to work in the Obama White House.

Silly on so many levels. Both Obamas were Ivy grads, surrounded themselves with other Ivy grads, and encouraged their relatives (daughter and niece) to attend Ivies. And, kids coming fresh out of Ivies typically aren't angling to work in gopher positions in DC.

I hope you get the help you need.

[Anonymous]

Ivies:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Dartmouth
Cornell

Non-Ivies:
Stanford
MIT
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Caltech
Johns Hopkins


They are pretty evenly matched

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Ivies:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Dartmouth
Cornell

Non-Ivies:
Stanford
MIT
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Caltech
Johns Hopkins


They are pretty evenly matched

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Ivies:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Dartmouth
Cornell

Non-Ivies:
Stanford
MIT
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Caltech
Johns Hopkins


They are pretty evenly matched

Not really.