Any other families finally had enough of DC?

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Anonymous wrote:Almost all homicides in DC are among persons known to each other. In other words, if you don't hang out with criminals and drug dealers, you don't have to worry about being murdered. A typical UMC white woman is at a greater risk of being murdered by the man sleeping in her bed than a stranger on the streets of DC.

What about armed carjackings? This was a rarity in my neighborhood and now I feel like there is one every week if not more.

Don't leave your car running unattended in the middle of the road because you can't be bothered to find a parking space to pick up your food delivery order. That alone would eliminate 90% of the carjackings in the city -- not to mention keep traffic flowing.

Or .... we could respect each other’s personal property I am not goi g to steal your car because it’s running and has the keys in it. But I was raised that way, wait a minute, no forget it.

+1. Right? I have so many family members who live in places where they don’t have to constantly keep track of whether they locked all the doors and did all of the other things to fortify the home for another day.

I've never lived anywhere where you didn't have to lock the doors, so this strikes me as a pretty low bar for D.C. to clear.

Plenty of homeowners/drivers in Georgetown + Ward 3 seem to forget to lock their doors/cars; hell jack evans lost his car this way - he left the keys in the ignition.

"durr, durr, its your fault that you had your car stolen with your baby in it while you were loading your groceries, it should not have been running to give your baby a/c and a place to rest because you don't have four hands" and "durr, durr, if you don't want someone to pickpocket you then you should have zippers with locks on them like smart people do, get a clue" or "durr, durr, if you don't want to get clipped by stray bullets in your own home then you should always wear a bullet proof vest. otherwise if you get shot its your fault".

PP, you've clearly spent time on r/washingtondc!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, Ive been raising my kids in Shaw and have lived here since 2005 (from 2002-05 was in Logan). Something needs to be done about crime and the general lawlessness and unsafe behavior. The three wheelers riding on two wheels down U street at rush hour or on my street long past midnight. Homeless people camping on the border of school playgrounds, some armed. People OD’ing all over the place. I know it was way worse in the 90s, but that’s besides the point! We want the vote and we want progress. Schools needed to be open by Term 2. Down with Bowser and the whole lot! Id move but my husband won’t leave DC.

It surprises me that people try to defend this. I think we have been in lock down for so long that people have forgotten that the last few summers had an epidemic of ATVs and Endurobikes doing wheelies while their drivers were texting on their phones while police refused to do anything.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/local/illegal-dirt-bikes-and-atvs-swarm-national-harbor-streets/2017/06/27/20037560-5b4a-11e7-aa69-3964a7d55207_video.html

Summer 2021 is going to be very, very bad. I want to catch up with all of these people excusing criminal behavior in July and August. They will probably be the first people to complain and demand police protection once their lifestyle is affected.

[Anonymous]

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"durr, durr, its your fault that you had your car stolen with your baby in it while you were loading your groceries, it should not have been running to give your baby a/c and a place to rest because you don't have four hands" and "durr, durr, if you don't want someone to pickpocket you then you should have zippers with locks on them like smart people do, get a clue" or "durr, durr, if you don't want to get clipped by stray bullets in your own home then you should always wear a bullet proof vest. otherwise if you get shot its your fault".

There's a difference between "it's your fault" and "I'm leaving DC because it's too crime-ridden; I can no longer leave my car unlocked on the street with the key in the ignition while running in to pick up my food order".

it's great that you blame the parents when this keeps happening.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-carjacker-steals-returns-car-with-baby-inside/2432579/
https://wjla.com/news/local/stolen-car-child-inside-search-underway-northwest
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/car-stolen-with-child-inside-while-parents-dropped-off-kids-at-dc-elementary/2018/10/19/f569a5b4-d3ab-11e8-83d6-291fcead2ab1_story.html
https://wset.com/news/local/child-found-safe-after-being-inside-stolen-car-dc-police-say

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Windows are all double paned now with super thick glass. Much more secure than in the past. Hard to break. Not a major reason to use bars for security anymore.

Also, more people now use ADT or other security, where in the past bars on windows and calling 911 was your home security system.

These are very different times.

I guess nobody ever opens the window?

Most new first floor windows being installed in townhouses do not open. Ones that do include a security feature that prevents them from being opened very wide. This seems like a bizarre and pointless sidetracking of the obvious: counting bars on windows is no longer an indicator of community perception of security anymore. Maybe counting ADT stickers and signs would be more effective as a new proxy.

I am apparently learning something new.

I am happy to help educate you.

https://www.andersenwindows.com/windows-and-doors/windows/casement-windows/a-series-casement-window/
https://www.andersenwindows.com/windows-and-doors/windows/picture-windows/a-series-picture-window/

And the "most new first floor windows do not open" part?

[Anonymous]

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"durr, durr, its your fault that you had your car stolen with your baby in it while you were loading your groceries, it should not have been running to give your baby a/c and a place to rest because you don't have four hands" and "durr, durr, if you don't want someone to pickpocket you then you should have zippers with locks on them like smart people do, get a clue" or "durr, durr, if you don't want to get clipped by stray bullets in your own home then you should always wear a bullet proof vest. otherwise if you get shot its your fault".

There's a difference between "it's your fault" and "I'm leaving DC because it's too crime-ridden; I can no longer leave my car unlocked on the street with the key in the ignition while running in to pick up my food order".

it's great that you blame the parents when this keeps happening.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-carjacker-steals-returns-car-with-baby-inside/2432579/
https://wjla.com/news/local/stolen-car-child-inside-search-underway-northwest
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/car-stolen-with-child-inside-while-parents-dropped-off-kids-at-dc-elementary/2018/10/19/f569a5b4-d3ab-11e8-83d6-291fcead2ab1_story.html
https://wset.com/news/local/child-found-safe-after-being-inside-stolen-car-dc-police-say

Who said anything about blaming?

[Anonymous]

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"durr, durr, its your fault that you had your car stolen with your baby in it while you were loading your groceries, it should not have been running to give your baby a/c and a place to rest because you don't have four hands" and "durr, durr, if you don't want someone to pickpocket you then you should have zippers with locks on them like smart people do, get a clue" or "durr, durr, if you don't want to get clipped by stray bullets in your own home then you should always wear a bullet proof vest. otherwise if you get shot its your fault".

There's a difference between "it's your fault" and "I'm leaving DC because it's too crime-ridden; I can no longer leave my car unlocked on the street with the key in the ignition while running in to pick up my food order".

it's great that you blame the parents when this keeps happening.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-carjacker-steals-returns-car-with-baby-inside/2432579/
https://wjla.com/news/local/stolen-car-child-inside-search-underway-northwest
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/car-stolen-with-child-inside-while-parents-dropped-off-kids-at-dc-elementary/2018/10/19/f569a5b4-d3ab-11e8-83d6-291fcead2ab1_story.html
https://wset.com/news/local/child-found-safe-after-being-inside-stolen-car-dc-police-say

Who said anything about blaming?

You have stated that it is silly for people to complain about people stealing their cars if they leave them unlocked with the keys in them. My point is that there are a lot of very valid reasons that this happens, particularly when you have kids and that the thieves repeatedly steal cars with kids in them. This is a valid reason to leave DC because this stuff does not routinely happen in MoCO or Fairfax.

There is a legitimate risk in DC that if you are loading your car with your baby inside, someone will try to carjack you. People should be able to feel safe while they are loading their cars with their babies inside. Your downplaying of this as a legitimate issue by trying to make it seem like its just dumb rich people getting their cars stolen because they don't know any better and are too trusting is a extremely anti-social and I hope that you never need to rely on the help of strangers.

[Anonymous]

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Windows are all double paned now with super thick glass. Much more secure than in the past. Hard to break. Not a major reason to use bars for security anymore.

Also, more people now use ADT or other security, where in the past bars on windows and calling 911 was your home security system.

These are very different times.

I guess nobody ever opens the window?

Most new first floor windows being installed in townhouses do not open. Ones that do include a security feature that prevents them from being opened very wide. This seems like a bizarre and pointless sidetracking of the obvious: counting bars on windows is no longer an indicator of community perception of security anymore. Maybe counting ADT stickers and signs would be more effective as a new proxy.

This is why we kept the bars on our house in Petworth when we bought it in 2010: You could open all the windows and leave them open, day or night, home or not home, and feel quite confident that the bars would keep people out. In our house west of the park, where crime is lower, we still feel like we have to close the windows if we leave the house for much longer than 20 minutes or so or at night. But I imagine people here would be pretty upset if we installed bars.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, Ive been raising my kids in Shaw and have lived here since 2005 (from 2002-05 was in Logan). Something needs to be done about crime and the general lawlessness and unsafe behavior. The three wheelers riding on two wheels down U street at rush hour or on my street long past midnight. Homeless people camping on the border of school playgrounds, some armed. People OD’ing all over the place. I know it was way worse in the 90s, but that’s besides the point! We want the vote and we want progress. Schools needed to be open by Term 2. Down with Bowser and the whole lot! Id move but my husband won’t leave DC.

It surprises me that people try to defend this. I think we have been in lock down for so long that people have forgotten that the last few summers had an epidemic of ATVs and Endurobikes doing wheelies while their drivers were texting on their phones while police refused to do anything.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/local/illegal-dirt-bikes-and-atvs-swarm-national-harbor-streets/2017/06/27/20037560-5b4a-11e7-aa69-3964a7d55207_video.html

Summer 2021 is going to be very, very bad. I want to catch up with all of these people excusing criminal behavior in July and August. They will probably be the first people to complain and demand police protection once their lifestyle is affected.

It is so bizarre to me that these people first try to deny that there is a lot of crime. Then even when they do accept some basic truth, their second reaction is to say that it not that bad. After that, the third argument is that crime victims are just foolish.

In a couple of years y'all will be rationalizing poop on the sidewalks like they do in SF. Just gotta build more public toilets they say. Just a few more toilets here and there to stop the pooping.

What if there are just anti-social people out there who commit crimes and what if its okay for some people to want to choose to live in close proximity to these anti-social people while others prefer not to. In the mean time, it would also be great to stop these anti-social people from committing crimes and to punish them when they do.

[Anonymous]

Wait - how do you propose having less poop on the sidewalk? Shooting people for being homeless? Jailing them? Why wouldn’t more/better public bathrooms be a reasonable answer? Heck, make showers available too.

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"durr, durr, its your fault that you had your car stolen with your baby in it while you were loading your groceries, it should not have been running to give your baby a/c and a place to rest because you don't have four hands" and "durr, durr, if you don't want someone to pickpocket you then you should have zippers with locks on them like smart people do, get a clue" or "durr, durr, if you don't want to get clipped by stray bullets in your own home then you should always wear a bullet proof vest. otherwise if you get shot its your fault".

There's a difference between "it's your fault" and "I'm leaving DC because it's too crime-ridden; I can no longer leave my car unlocked on the street with the key in the ignition while running in to pick up my food order".

it's great that you blame the parents when this keeps happening.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-carjacker-steals-returns-car-with-baby-inside/2432579/
https://wjla.com/news/local/stolen-car-child-inside-search-underway-northwest
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/car-stolen-with-child-inside-while-parents-dropped-off-kids-at-dc-elementary/2018/10/19/f569a5b4-d3ab-11e8-83d6-291fcead2ab1_story.html
https://wset.com/news/local/child-found-safe-after-being-inside-stolen-car-dc-police-say

Who said anything about blaming?

You have stated that it is silly for people to complain about people stealing their cars if they leave them unlocked with the keys in them. My point is that there are a lot of very valid reasons that this happens, particularly when you have kids and that the thieves repeatedly steal cars with kids in them. This is a valid reason to leave DC because this stuff does not routinely happen in MoCO or Fairfax.

There is a legitimate risk in DC that if you are loading your car with your baby inside, someone will try to carjack you. People should be able to feel safe while they are loading their cars with their babies inside. Your downplaying of this as a legitimate issue by trying to make it seem like its just dumb rich people getting their cars stolen because they don't know any better and are too trusting is a extremely anti-social and I hope that you never need to rely on the help of strangers.

I have not.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost all homicides in DC are among persons known to each other. In other words, if you don't hang out with criminals and drug dealers, you don't have to worry about being murdered. A typical UMC white woman is at a greater risk of being murdered by the man sleeping in her bed than a stranger on the streets of DC.

What about armed carjackings? This was a rarity in my neighborhood and now I feel like there is one every week if not more.

Don't leave your car running unattended in the middle of the road because you can't be bothered to find a parking space to pick up your food delivery order. That alone would eliminate 90% of the carjackings in the city -- not to mention keep traffic flowing.

Or .... we could respect each other’s personal property I am not goi g to steal your car because it’s running and has the keys in it. But I was raised that way, wait a minute, no forget it.

+1. Right? I have so many family members who live in places where they don’t have to constantly keep track of whether they locked all the doors and did all of the other things to fortify the home for another day.

I've never lived anywhere where you didn't have to lock the doors, so this strikes me as a pretty low bar for D.C. to clear.

Plenty of homeowners/drivers in Georgetown + Ward 3 seem to forget to lock their doors/cars; hell jack evans lost his car this way - he left the keys in the ignition.

"durr, durr, its your fault that you had your car stolen with your baby in it while you were loading your groceries, it should not have been running to give your baby a/c and a place to rest because you don't have four hands" and "durr, durr, if you don't want someone to pickpocket you then you should have zippers with locks on them like smart people do, get a clue" or "durr, durr, if you don't want to get clipped by stray bullets in your own home then you should always wear a bullet proof vest. otherwise if you get shot its your fault".

PP, you've clearly spent time on r/washingtondc!

I have not, but in reviewing that subreddit for a few minutes I find it a really reflects poorly on DCUM that there is more common sense about these issues in Reddit comments than here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtondc/comments/n4lttj/200_carjackings_in_dc_area_dozens_of_juveniles/

No one there is in denial that there is a serious crime problem in DC and people freely admit - like normal people - that concern about crime and the unwillingness to address it has caused them to move.

There seems to be a dedicated group of people posting here who want to deny or lie about the situation, primarily because I guess it has not personally affected them yet, and they have some vested interested in promoting DC Uber Alles or perhaps more accurately, their vision and only their vision of DC Uber Alles.

[Anonymous]

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Windows are all double paned now with super thick glass. Much more secure than in the past. Hard to break. Not a major reason to use bars for security anymore.

Also, more people now use ADT or other security, where in the past bars on windows and calling 911 was your home security system.

These are very different times.

I guess nobody ever opens the window?

Most new first floor windows being installed in townhouses do not open. Ones that do include a security feature that prevents them from being opened very wide. This seems like a bizarre and pointless sidetracking of the obvious: counting bars on windows is no longer an indicator of community perception of security anymore. Maybe counting ADT stickers and signs would be more effective as a new proxy.

This is why we kept the bars on our house in Petworth when we bought it in 2010: You could open all the windows and leave them open, day or night, home or not home, and feel quite confident that the bars would keep people out. In our house west of the park, where crime is lower, we still feel like we have to close the windows if we leave the house for much longer than 20 minutes or so or at night. But I imagine people here would be pretty upset if we installed bars.

If you feel you need to install bars in your home, you can't get caught up with what your neighbors think. Your families safety is more important that thee aesthetics of a house.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Windows are all double paned now with super thick glass. Much more secure than in the past. Hard to break. Not a major reason to use bars for security anymore.

Also, more people now use ADT or other security, where in the past bars on windows and calling 911 was your home security system.

These are very different times.

I guess nobody ever opens the window?

Most new first floor windows being installed in townhouses do not open. Ones that do include a security feature that prevents them from being opened very wide. This seems like a bizarre and pointless sidetracking of the obvious: counting bars on windows is no longer an indicator of community perception of security anymore. Maybe counting ADT stickers and signs would be more effective as a new proxy.

This is why we kept the bars on our house in Petworth when we bought it in 2010: You could open all the windows and leave them open, day or night, home or not home, and feel quite confident that the bars would keep people out. In our house west of the park, where crime is lower, we still feel like we have to close the windows if we leave the house for much longer than 20 minutes or so or at night. But I imagine people here would be pretty upset if we installed bars.

If you feel you need to install bars in your home, you can't get caught up with what your neighbors think. Your families safety is more important that thee aesthetics of a house.

I certainly don't feel we need to install bars in my home, nor that my family is unsafe in my home.

But I do feel like leaving all the first-floor windows open all day while we aren't home would probably be a bad idea, and from an environmental standpoint, I wouldn't mind being able to do that instead of feeling the need to leave the windows closed and have the air conditioning on, even set to a higher away temperature. I also don't think there are any other cities or many parts of the D.C. area where people could feel totally comfortable leaving all their windows open all day with no one home, so I don't think this reflects anything negative about D.C.; I was just sort of lamenting a way that window bars can be useful for reasons that may not be as obvious to people who've never lived in homes with them.

[Anonymous]

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Windows are all double paned now with super thick glass. Much more secure than in the past. Hard to break. Not a major reason to use bars for security anymore.

Also, more people now use ADT or other security, where in the past bars on windows and calling 911 was your home security system.

These are very different times.

I guess nobody ever opens the window?

Most new first floor windows being installed in townhouses do not open. Ones that do include a security feature that prevents them from being opened very wide. This seems like a bizarre and pointless sidetracking of the obvious: counting bars on windows is no longer an indicator of community perception of security anymore. Maybe counting ADT stickers and signs would be more effective as a new proxy.

This is why we kept the bars on our house in Petworth when we bought it in 2010: You could open all the windows and leave them open, day or night, home or not home, and feel quite confident that the bars would keep people out. In our house west of the park, where crime is lower, we still feel like we have to close the windows if we leave the house for much longer than 20 minutes or so or at night. But I imagine people here would be pretty upset if we installed bars.

If you feel you need to install bars in your home, you can't get caught up with what your neighbors think. Your families safety is more important that thee aesthetics of a house.

I certainly don't feel we need to install bars in my home, nor that my family is unsafe in my home.

But I do feel like leaving all the first-floor windows open all day while we aren't home would probably be a bad idea, and from an environmental standpoint, I wouldn't mind being able to do that instead of feeling the need to leave the windows closed and have the air conditioning on, even set to a higher away temperature. I also don't think there are any other cities or many parts of the D.C. area where people could feel totally comfortable leaving all their windows open all day with no one home, so I don't think this reflects anything negative about D.C.; I was just sort of lamenting a way that window bars can be useful for reasons that may not be as obvious to people who've never lived in homes with them.

As someone from Seattle, where no one has A/C, I can confidently tell you that you can indeed leave your windows open all day during the summer almost all over the city except the sketchiest neighborhoods. As someone that currently lives in the DC suburbs with A/C, I can tell you that I also leave the windows open all day and frequently leave to run errands without worry that someone will break in. I also frequently leave my garage open all day, even overnight sometimes and have no worry that anyone will steal anything.

I just write all of these things to say that it does not have to be this way. If you are fine with it, then okay. If you would prefer that criminals exert less control over your personal choices, there are options.

[Anonymous]

I think one of our Presidents said, “If you like your crime, you can keep your crime.” Or something parallel to this statement.

Apparently, some of the posters here like their crime.