Any other families finally had enough of DC?

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Or .... we could respect each other’s personal property I am not goi g to steal your car because it’s running and has the keys in it. But I was raised that way, wait a minute, no forget it.

+1. Right? I have so many family members who live in places where they don’t have to constantly keep track of whether they locked all the doors and did all of the other things to fortify the home for another day.

The Montgomery County police keep reminding people to not leave their cars parked with the keys inside. In case you're thinking that this is a purely DC issue.

Also, speaking of fortifying the home - I lived in DC when everyone who could, put bars on all of their windows. I'm not seeing that now.

Me, too. But I believe the point of the thread is that some people are starting to feel like those days are returning.

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Here are some obvious reasons:
1. Election year with anticipated change in administrations
2. Global pandemic (DC public heath emergency announced March 11)
3. Immediate and sharp recession which particularly affected tourism/restaurant/service jobs with millions of jobs being shed daily (S&P500 bottomed on March 23)
4. Events precipitated ongoing shift, as Millennials (oldest are now 40) change demands from urban to suburban living as they form households

It is also possible that these continued conditions negatively impact population throughout the remainder of 2020 and beyond.

So everybody moved out between March 11 and April 1? Gee, that's not what I remember happening.

About 20,000 college students did, yeah.

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You are not answering the question. The question is not about the census. The question is whether you believe that it is not possible for there to be YoY volatility in population.

That's kind of like saying, "The question is whether you believe Spiderman would beat Batman."

The meaningful question is whether there actually was a big change in the population of DC between 2019 and 2020, not whether it is hypothetically possible for there to be a big change in the population of a city between one year and the next - no?

Why do you refuse to just directly answer the question? This is so funny. Like you cannot just admit the possibility that you could be wrong, even on something so minor. It's like incredible.

Dude. Multiple different posters have already answered your hypothetical question, including me,.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost all homicides in DC are among persons known to each other. In other words, if you don't hang out with criminals and drug dealers, you don't have to worry about being murdered. A typical UMC white woman is at a greater risk of being murdered by the man sleeping in her bed than a stranger on the streets of DC.

What about armed carjackings? This was a rarity in my neighborhood and now I feel like there is one every week if not more.

Don't leave your car running unattended in the middle of the road because you can't be bothered to find a parking space to pick up your food delivery order. That alone would eliminate 90% of the carjackings in the city -- not to mention keep traffic flowing.

Or .... we could respect each other’s personal property I am not goi g to steal your car because it’s running and has the keys in it. But I was raised that way, wait a minute, no forget it.

+1. Right? I have so many family members who live in places where they don’t have to constantly keep track of whether they locked all the doors and did all of the other things to fortify the home for another day.

I've never lived anywhere where you didn't have to lock the doors, so this strikes me as a pretty low bar for D.C. to clear.

Plenty of homeowners/drivers in Georgetown + Ward 3 seem to forget to lock their doors/cars; hell jack evans lost his car this way - he left the keys in the ignition.

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I mean, Ive been raising my kids in Shaw and have lived here since 2005 (from 2002-05 was in Logan). Something needs to be done about crime and the general lawlessness and unsafe behavior. The three wheelers riding on two wheels down U street at rush hour or on my street long past midnight. Homeless people camping on the border of school playgrounds, some armed. People OD’ing all over the place. I know it was way worse in the 90s, but that’s besides the point! We want the vote and we want progress. Schools needed to be open by Term 2. Down with Bowser and the whole lot! Id move but my husband won’t leave DC.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a reason why once people start having kids they move to upper northwest or close-in burbs. You can defend the crime all you want, though I’m not sure how crime is defensible, but it’s not a conducive environment to raise kids. The city is more alluring for young 20 somethings who come from somewhere else and want to try living in a city while they are young.

"People" who?

What do you mean “people” who? Any person who has a kid. Let’s not turn this into something else.

PP, perhaps you have noticed that there are many, many people in DC who do not move to upper NW or the close-in suburbs once they start having children.

That is currently true. Which is why the big zoning fight right now is to increase density in upper NW because those young white families are priced out of moving to upper NW but still want to.

When you live in DCUMlandia, it's easy to believe that "people" means "the residents of DCUMlandia" and that everything is about the residents of DCUMlandia.

It's not true, though.

Yeah, that original posting definitely had that creepy connotation of “people who matter to me aka white / UMC with a few tokens” people, but not the poor people who can’t afford to move / are invisible to that poster.

Cue: defensiveness...

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Or .... we could respect each other’s personal property I am not goi g to steal your car because it’s running and has the keys in it. But I was raised that way, wait a minute, no forget it.

+1. Right? I have so many family members who live in places where they don’t have to constantly keep track of whether they locked all the doors and did all of the other things to fortify the home for another day.

The Montgomery County police keep reminding people to not leave their cars parked with the keys inside. In case you're thinking that this is a purely DC issue.

Also, speaking of fortifying the home - I lived in DC when everyone who could, put bars on all of their windows. I'm not seeing that now.

Me, too. But I believe the point of the thread is that some people are starting to feel like those days are returning.

Windows are all double paned now with super thick glass. Much more secure than in the past. Hard to break. Not a major reason to use bars for security anymore.

Also, more people now use ADT or other security, where in the past bars on windows and calling 911 was your home security system.

These are very different times.

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Windows are all double paned now with super thick glass. Much more secure than in the past. Hard to break. Not a major reason to use bars for security anymore.

Also, more people now use ADT or other security, where in the past bars on windows and calling 911 was your home security system.

These are very different times.

I guess nobody ever opens the window?

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Windows are all double paned now with super thick glass. Much more secure than in the past. Hard to break. Not a major reason to use bars for security anymore.

Also, more people now use ADT or other security, where in the past bars on windows and calling 911 was your home security system.

These are very different times.

I guess nobody ever opens the window?

Most new first floor windows being installed in townhouses do not open. Ones that do include a security feature that prevents them from being opened very wide. This seems like a bizarre and pointless sidetracking of the obvious: counting bars on windows is no longer an indicator of community perception of security anymore. Maybe counting ADT stickers and signs would be more effective as a new proxy.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a reason why once people start having kids they move to upper northwest or close-in burbs. You can defend the crime all you want, though I’m not sure how crime is defensible, but it’s not a conducive environment to raise kids. The city is more alluring for young 20 somethings who come from somewhere else and want to try living in a city while they are young.

"People" who?

What do you mean “people” who? Any person who has a kid. Let’s not turn this into something else.

PP, perhaps you have noticed that there are many, many people in DC who do not move to upper NW or the close-in suburbs once they start having children.

That is currently true. Which is why the big zoning fight right now is to increase density in upper NW because those young white families are priced out of moving to upper NW but still want to.

DP: Here is a map of children in DC: https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/map/6747-population-by-age-group-by-ward?loc=10&loct=3#21/any/false/false/1729/838/13833/Orange/

Wards 4, 7, and 8 have the most children under 18, and Ward 8 has double the number of children as Ward 3.

These numbers hold for public/charter school attendance: https://edscape.dc.gov/page/schools-enrollment-public-schools-ward

Maybe you missed the word "white"? So let me highlight that again for you.

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Windows are all double paned now with super thick glass. Much more secure than in the past. Hard to break. Not a major reason to use bars for security anymore.

Also, more people now use ADT or other security, where in the past bars on windows and calling 911 was your home security system.

These are very different times.

I guess nobody ever opens the window?

Most new first floor windows being installed in townhouses do not open. Ones that do include a security feature that prevents them from being opened very wide. This seems like a bizarre and pointless sidetracking of the obvious: counting bars on windows is no longer an indicator of community perception of security anymore. Maybe counting ADT stickers and signs would be more effective as a new proxy.

Windows that don't open, gee, what could go wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:Almost all homicides in DC are among persons known to each other. In other words, if you don't hang out with criminals and drug dealers, you don't have to worry about being murdered. A typical UMC white woman is at a greater risk of being murdered by the man sleeping in her bed than a stranger on the streets of DC.

What about armed carjackings? This was a rarity in my neighborhood and now I feel like there is one every week if not more.

Don't leave your car running unattended in the middle of the road because you can't be bothered to find a parking space to pick up your food delivery order. That alone would eliminate 90% of the carjackings in the city -- not to mention keep traffic flowing.

Or .... we could respect each other’s personal property I am not goi g to steal your car because it’s running and has the keys in it. But I was raised that way, wait a minute, no forget it.

+1. Right? I have so many family members who live in places where they don’t have to constantly keep track of whether they locked all the doors and did all of the other things to fortify the home for another day.

I've never lived anywhere where you didn't have to lock the doors, so this strikes me as a pretty low bar for D.C. to clear.

Plenty of homeowners/drivers in Georgetown + Ward 3 seem to forget to lock their doors/cars; hell jack evans lost his car this way - he left the keys in the ignition.

"durr, durr, its your fault that you had your car stolen with your baby in it while you were loading your groceries, it should not have been running to give your baby a/c and a place to rest because you don't have four hands" and "durr, durr, if you don't want someone to pickpocket you then you should have zippers with locks on them like smart people do, get a clue" or "durr, durr, if you don't want to get clipped by stray bullets in your own home then you should always wear a bullet proof vest. otherwise if you get shot its your fault".

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Windows are all double paned now with super thick glass. Much more secure than in the past. Hard to break. Not a major reason to use bars for security anymore.

Also, more people now use ADT or other security, where in the past bars on windows and calling 911 was your home security system.

These are very different times.

I guess nobody ever opens the window?

Most new first floor windows being installed in townhouses do not open. Ones that do include a security feature that prevents them from being opened very wide. This seems like a bizarre and pointless sidetracking of the obvious: counting bars on windows is no longer an indicator of community perception of security anymore. Maybe counting ADT stickers and signs would be more effective as a new proxy.

I am apparently learning something new.

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Windows are all double paned now with super thick glass. Much more secure than in the past. Hard to break. Not a major reason to use bars for security anymore.

Also, more people now use ADT or other security, where in the past bars on windows and calling 911 was your home security system.

These are very different times.

I guess nobody ever opens the window?

Most new first floor windows being installed in townhouses do not open. Ones that do include a security feature that prevents them from being opened very wide. This seems like a bizarre and pointless sidetracking of the obvious: counting bars on windows is no longer an indicator of community perception of security anymore. Maybe counting ADT stickers and signs would be more effective as a new proxy.

I am apparently learning something new.

I am happy to help educate you.

https://www.andersenwindows.com/windows-and-doors/windows/casement-windows/a-series-casement-window/
https://www.andersenwindows.com/windows-and-doors/windows/picture-windows/a-series-picture-window/

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"durr, durr, its your fault that you had your car stolen with your baby in it while you were loading your groceries, it should not have been running to give your baby a/c and a place to rest because you don't have four hands" and "durr, durr, if you don't want someone to pickpocket you then you should have zippers with locks on them like smart people do, get a clue" or "durr, durr, if you don't want to get clipped by stray bullets in your own home then you should always wear a bullet proof vest. otherwise if you get shot its your fault".

There's a difference between "it's your fault" and "I'm leaving DC because it's too crime-ridden; I can no longer leave my car unlocked on the street with the key in the ignition while running in to pick up my food order".