The Talk put on hiatus thanks to Sharon Osbourne

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if Piers is racist. Or what he said was racist. I loathe him regardless of that so I pay zero attention to him.

But, I watched the clip and have to say: I'm not a Sharon Osbourne fan by any means. But, i'm not quite seeing the problem. Can someone explain?

She felt attacked by her cohost (rightly or wrongly; Sharon seems a bit of a snowflake for having the persona of a badass). But when pressed on what was racist, the evidence was rather thin. Her cohost (sorry, I don't watch the show so don't know her) seemed less than persuasive as to what the particular problem was . . .

This seems much ado about nothing.

We have a winner. Like you, I don’t watch this show or follow these people but decided to check out the clip to see what all the fuss was about. You nailed it.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought Sharon gave Sheryl an opportunity to explain where she heard Piers making racist comments. “Educate me” is a way to give somebody an opportunity to explain themselves. If everyone in the world reads into implications, reactions, and tone, there are going to be a lot of disgruntled people. Why can’t people just be taken at face value for the words they actually use—not how someone feels or interprets those words.

No. Educate me is a demand that someone do work for you when if you weren't so set in your world views and obstinate - you would have seen it already yourself.

Educate me is a demand to take your thoughts, actions, and history on the subject and condense it for a person who couldn't be bothered to think beyond their own circumstances.

Educate me is nothing but a gaslighting tactic and Sharon, if she hasn't been blind for 3 years, is well aware of what her 'friend' Pierce has been doing this whole time.

+1 Also, she told Sharon not to cry - the epitome of trying to control someone. She looked rageful, so defensive.

I’d love to see how you’d react if asked the same question on national TV. You’d be a spluttering mess, as would anyone falsely accused of something.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

His co-worker, who is half black, inferred Piers problem with Meghan is she no longer had a personal relationship with him, not race.

Which is exactly true.

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Anonymous wrote:If you criticize a black person it’s racist.

If a black personality makes anti-Semitic comments, it’s not racist (Cannon).

Umm...wasn’t he fired from EVERYTHING and labeled a racist. What else are you looking for??

No, he quit and has never been labeled a racist except by The Talk.

He was fired from multiple jobs. Hasn’t been heard from in months. Who exactly are you looking for to label him? You labeled him a racist. The View labeled him. Comments on Twitter labeled him.

I did NOT label him a racist, just an a-hole. You can’t call someone a racist without proof.

All Sheryl could say is it was his “tone”. That’s not racism.

By a show of hands, how many black women have been accused of something, even disciplined for it, based on your tone?

This happens to white women too. I'm not going to make it a battle of who has it worse because obviously racism is a pernicious disease that permeates everything, but so is sexism and misogyny, which apparently are totally cool these days.

I agree with you. I think plenty of people take issue when they see those things as well. It's been my experience that it's much easier for white women to understand and relate to those issues than to issues of race. The thing with all of these issues is that you can't know what's in someone's heart. We instead have to look at the effects of what they do.

He has a history of illogical rage and diatribes directed at women, but particularly women of color. Is it racism? Is it misogyny? Could it be both? Sure. Is it problematic and painful for some people to be subjected to him? Probably. Should he be in a position of power where women are subject to his behaviors hold? No. Should his employer have the right to say your behavior doesn't represent us well, you're fired? Yep.

Should Sharon have been so quick to dismiss his problematic behavior, have a meltdown on national TV, and thoroughly embarrass herself and her employer? Probably not. Did they set her up for this? That's absolutely possible and is really sh#tty if they did.

Re: the bolded, there are far more instances of him saying rude things about white people - women AND men.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

Well it seems like, in this situation their employers get to decide for themselves, and the burden of proof was met for them. So, conversation over? Or do we also need your approval, despite your inability to specify what counts as the proof you continue to demand.

What would be sufficient proof? Can someone please explain? If you're going to require proof, can you at least tell us what would be proof enough for you?

It's gaslighting and goalposts moving. There is never enough proof.

We all watched a video of a man sitting on another man's neck while he slowly suffocated him to death for no apparent reason. But he didn't call him the N-word, so no racism, I guess.

Piers has been on air for YEARS. And no one can find one racist comment?

Someone provided your proof, pages back. Keep up.

About racist remarks towards Meghan Markle? Nope. Not a one.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

Well it seems like, in this situation their employers get to decide for themselves, and the burden of proof was met for them. So, conversation over? Or do we also need your approval, despite your inability to specify what counts as the proof you continue to demand.

What would be sufficient proof? Can someone please explain? If you're going to require proof, can you at least tell us what would be proof enough for you?

It's gaslighting and goalposts moving. There is never enough proof.

We all watched a video of a man sitting on another man's neck while he slowly suffocated him to death for no apparent reason. But he didn't call him the N-word, so no racism, I guess.

Piers has been on air for YEARS. And no one can find one racist comment?

Someone provided your proof, pages back. Keep up.

About racist remarks towards Meghan Markle? Nope. Not a one.
DP

I’m the poster. There is a pattern of racist comments. There is the established terrible and irrational vendetta he seems to have about Meghan Markle. There is him walking off set while his black coworker calls him on it.

You’d only think it racist if he was dressed up as David Duke and burned a cross in her yard.

Honestly I think it’s plausible that he’s JUST a raging misogynist but don’t really care which label is applied that finally sinks him and shames his supporters, he’s hateful to all so he deserves them all.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the conversation that got her in deep shit -- really...blowing up your career over Piers Morgan

She asked for an example of him saying racists stuff. I didn’t hear any examples....

So no example, then blame Sharon. Wow

Maybe instead of Osborn yelling at her coworker who was trying to talk to her maybe instead of screaming at her coworker who was speaking calmly and respectfully to her maybe instead of blowing up at a coworker was trying to speak for her character and have a respectful intelligent conversation instead of telling your coworker she had no right to cry as if she’s not human maybe if she had not showed all of her entire A** on TV they would NOT be in the position they are in now.

Or maybe CBS should never have set up this gotcha moment to begin with and maybe the co-host should never have agreed to ask that idiotic question on national TV to someone she claims to value as a friend. Maybe none of that should ever have happened - but did because this is what woke, performative as$holes love to get outraged about.
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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

Well it seems like, in this situation their employers get to decide for themselves, and the burden of proof was met for them. So, conversation over? Or do we also need your approval, despite your inability to specify what counts as the proof you continue to demand.

What would be sufficient proof? Can someone please explain? If you're going to require proof, can you at least tell us what would be proof enough for you?

It's gaslighting and goalposts moving. There is never enough proof.

We all watched a video of a man sitting on another man's neck while he slowly suffocated him to death for no apparent reason. But he didn't call him the N-word, so no racism, I guess.

Piers has been on air for YEARS. And no one can find one racist comment?

Someone provided your proof, pages back. Keep up.

About racist remarks towards Meghan Markle? Nope. Not a one.
DP

I’m the poster. There is a pattern of racist comments. There is the established terrible and irrational vendetta he seems to have about Meghan Markle. There is him walking off set while his black coworker calls him on it.

You’d only think it racist if he was dressed up as David Duke and burned a cross in her yard.

Honestly I think it’s plausible that he’s JUST a raging misogynist but don’t really care which label is applied that finally sinks him and shames his supporters, he’s hateful to all so he deserves them all.

DP. If you had to say which was the most racist comment from Piers about Meghan, what would it be? Would you mind just directing us to the most egregiously racist comment Piers made about Meghan?

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

Well it seems like, in this situation their employers get to decide for themselves, and the burden of proof was met for them. So, conversation over? Or do we also need your approval, despite your inability to specify what counts as the proof you continue to demand.

What would be sufficient proof? Can someone please explain? If you're going to require proof, can you at least tell us what would be proof enough for you?

It's gaslighting and goalposts moving. There is never enough proof.

We all watched a video of a man sitting on another man's neck while he slowly suffocated him to death for no apparent reason. But he didn't call him the N-word, so no racism, I guess.

Piers has been on air for YEARS. And no one can find one racist comment?

Someone provided your proof, pages back. Keep up.

About racist remarks towards Meghan Markle? Nope. Not a one.
DP

I’m the poster. There is a pattern of racist comments. There is the established terrible and irrational vendetta he seems to have about Meghan Markle. There is him walking off set while his black coworker calls him on it.

You’d only think it racist if he was dressed up as David Duke and burned a cross in her yard.

Honestly I think it’s plausible that he’s JUST a raging misogynist but don’t really care which label is applied that finally sinks him and shames his supporters, he’s hateful to all so he deserves them all.

DP. If you had to say which was the most racist comment from Piers about Meghan, what would it be? Would you mind just directing us to the most egregiously racist comment Piers made about Meghan?

Oh yeah it was when he dressed up like david Duke and burned a cross in her yard didn’t you see where I said that? It’s only racist if you’re in the klan right? A pattern of racist comments followed by an unhealthy vendetta against a black woman is just a coincidence!

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

Well it seems like, in this situation their employers get to decide for themselves, and the burden of proof was met for them. So, conversation over? Or do we also need your approval, despite your inability to specify what counts as the proof you continue to demand.

What would be sufficient proof? Can someone please explain? If you're going to require proof, can you at least tell us what would be proof enough for you?

It's gaslighting and goalposts moving. There is never enough proof.

We all watched a video of a man sitting on another man's neck while he slowly suffocated him to death for no apparent reason. But he didn't call him the N-word, so no racism, I guess.

Piers has been on air for YEARS. And no one can find one racist comment?

Someone provided your proof, pages back. Keep up.

About racist remarks towards Meghan Markle? Nope. Not a one.
DP

I’m the poster. There is a pattern of racist comments. There is the established terrible and irrational vendetta he seems to have about Meghan Markle. There is him walking off set while his black coworker calls him on it.

You’d only think it racist if he was dressed up as David Duke and burned a cross in her yard.

Honestly I think it’s plausible that he’s JUST a raging misogynist but don’t really care which label is applied that finally sinks him and shames his supporters, he’s hateful to all so he deserves them all.

DP. If you had to say which was the most racist comment from Piers about Meghan, what would it be? Would you mind just directing us to the most egregiously racist comment Piers made about Meghan?

Oh yeah it was when he dressed up like david Duke and burned a cross in her yard didn’t you see where I said that? It’s only racist if you’re in the klan right? A pattern of racist comments followed by an unhealthy vendetta against a black woman is just a coincidence!

Or maybe just provide a single comment where Piers revealed that he was discriminating against Meghan due to racism?

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

Well it seems like, in this situation their employers get to decide for themselves, and the burden of proof was met for them. So, conversation over? Or do we also need your approval, despite your inability to specify what counts as the proof you continue to demand.

What would be sufficient proof? Can someone please explain? If you're going to require proof, can you at least tell us what would be proof enough for you?

It's gaslighting and goalposts moving. There is never enough proof.

We all watched a video of a man sitting on another man's neck while he slowly suffocated him to death for no apparent reason. But he didn't call him the N-word, so no racism, I guess.

Piers has been on air for YEARS. And no one can find one racist comment?

Someone provided your proof, pages back. Keep up.

About racist remarks towards Meghan Markle? Nope. Not a one.
DP

I’m the poster. There is a pattern of racist comments. There is the established terrible and irrational vendetta he seems to have about Meghan Markle. There is him walking off set while his black coworker calls him on it.

You’d only think it racist if he was dressed up as David Duke and burned a cross in her yard.

Honestly I think it’s plausible that he’s JUST a raging misogynist but don’t really care which label is applied that finally sinks him and shames his supporters, he’s hateful to all so he deserves them all.

DP. If you had to say which was the most racist comment from Piers about Meghan, what would it be? Would you mind just directing us to the most egregiously racist comment Piers made about Meghan?

Oh yeah it was when he dressed up like david Duke and burned a cross in her yard didn’t you see where I said that? It’s only racist if you’re in the klan right? A pattern of racist comments followed by an unhealthy vendetta against a black woman is just a coincidence!

Or maybe just provide a single comment where Piers revealed that he was discriminating against Meghan due to racism?

I literally just said I think he’s more likely a raging misogynist than a racist. So maybe read if you’re so focused on specifics.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

Well it seems like, in this situation their employers get to decide for themselves, and the burden of proof was met for them. So, conversation over? Or do we also need your approval, despite your inability to specify what counts as the proof you continue to demand.

What would be sufficient proof? Can someone please explain? If you're going to require proof, can you at least tell us what would be proof enough for you?

It's gaslighting and goalposts moving. There is never enough proof.

We all watched a video of a man sitting on another man's neck while he slowly suffocated him to death for no apparent reason. But he didn't call him the N-word, so no racism, I guess.

Piers has been on air for YEARS. And no one can find one racist comment?

Someone provided your proof, pages back. Keep up.

About racist remarks towards Meghan Markle? Nope. Not a one.
DP

I’m the poster. There is a pattern of racist comments. There is the established terrible and irrational vendetta he seems to have about Meghan Markle. There is him walking off set while his black coworker calls him on it.

You’d only think it racist if he was dressed up as David Duke and burned a cross in her yard.

Honestly I think it’s plausible that he’s JUST a raging misogynist but don’t really care which label is applied that finally sinks him and shames his supporters, he’s hateful to all so he deserves them all.

DP. If you had to say which was the most racist comment from Piers about Meghan, what would it be? Would you mind just directing us to the most egregiously racist comment Piers made about Meghan?

Oh yeah it was when he dressed up like david Duke and burned a cross in her yard didn’t you see where I said that? It’s only racist if you’re in the klan right? A pattern of racist comments followed by an unhealthy vendetta against a black woman is just a coincidence!

Or maybe just provide a single comment where Piers revealed that he was discriminating against Meghan due to racism?

I literally just said I think he’s more likely a raging misogynist than a racist. So maybe read if you’re so focused on specifics.

Then we are in agreement. (You’re in the minority around here.)

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Sheryl’s point was never clear.

Hard to make it clear when someone is freaking the f#$k out at you.

Hard not to freak the f#$k out at someone who is going for a gotcha moment at your expense.
DP

You keep posting but it doesn’t change what happened and it wasn’t a gotcha moment.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

I used it as an example of the most egregious, and one would think obvious, examples of modern racism, where even that video is not enough "proof" for someone who doesn't want to see racism.

I'm not in any way saying the situations are equal.

You’re an idiot. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that wasn’t racism. The facts are CLEAR in that instance. Those same facts are missing in all accusations that Piers and Sharon are racist. There are literally no facts at all to support racist claims against them except that Piers criticized Meghan which in itself is not evidence of racism simply because she’s 1/4 black. Are you even listening to yourselves?

If that were true, he would not have been fired. Someone with the power to make that decision found enough cause to do so.

I disagree. Who’s to decide where to draw the fine line between offensive and hurtful to downright racist. Who can do this? Is there an objective way to measure this?

NP: Sigh. In another thread on Piers, I asked a PP to define “racism” — so that we could at least be on the same page as we discussed the issue. Many of the responses were snarky at best. My takeaway is that many people don’t want anything approaching “an objective way to measure this” — because they would then have to actually openly acknowledge the widespread realities of racism. As it is, as long as it remains undefined, it also remains easy to dismiss genuine concerns about racism as “subjective” and as “over-sensitive”.

- PP, to answer your question: Yes, there actually are measures of racism — both behavior and attitudes — out there.

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So funny to see white people debate what qualifies as racist. Y'all are cute, lol.