Be careful: The same people who are weaponizing school opening are also blocking safe opening

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My working hypothesis is that the inflammatory teacher/union supporters on DCUM are in fact working for some pro-voucher lobbying group. They just say over-the-top, baiting stuff in order to make people get mad at unions.

Sounds like you're projecting.

I used to be a paid "troll" for unions. Here's why I don't think the people stating they are union supporters on DCUM are actual union supporters: The union's main target is always management. For example, when we went after certain grocery store products made by exploitative companies, we didn't yell at or shame shoppers. We certainly provided them information. But the goal was to get them on our side, not make them wholesale hate us. We had actions aimed at specific corporate owners.

But you? You're just professing to be mad at random parents who are already frustrated and tired. They've already found they have little individual power. They are hardly organized. Picking them off individually does you no good.

I will say that you are quite adept at your profession. You elicit anger left and right. Do keep it up.

Also, I might play...I wonder if anyone will be able to tell who is me (masquerading as you) and you.

+1

I generally love to troll, and yet, I have difficulty coming up with anything more wild, inflammatory, and ill-informed than anything the "union supporters" say. There's literally no difference. It is frustrating to find that the "union supporters" have beat me to it. There's nothing more whackadoo out there. Maybe it's all trolls.

How many do you think there are? I've considered asking how many "my kids are thriving and you need a babysitter" posters there really are out there. They have to be trolls, probably just a few, because nothing they say helps the union or teachers as a group in any way. Still, people continue to engage with them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My working hypothesis is that the inflammatory teacher/union supporters on DCUM are in fact working for some pro-voucher lobbying group. They just say over-the-top, baiting stuff in order to make people get mad at unions.

Sounds like you're projecting.

I used to be a paid "troll" for unions. Here's why I don't think the people stating they are union supporters on DCUM are actual union supporters: The union's main target is always management. For example, when we went after certain grocery store products made by exploitative companies, we didn't yell at or shame shoppers. We certainly provided them information. But the goal was to get them on our side, not make them wholesale hate us. We had actions aimed at specific corporate owners.

But you? You're just professing to be mad at random parents who are already frustrated and tired. They've already found they have little individual power. They are hardly organized. Picking them off individually does you no good.

I will say that you are quite adept at your profession. You elicit anger left and right. Do keep it up.

Also, I might play...I wonder if anyone will be able to tell who is me (masquerading as you) and you.

+1

I generally love to troll, and yet, I have difficulty coming up with anything more wild, inflammatory, and ill-informed than anything the "union supporters" say. There's literally no difference. It is frustrating to find that the "union supporters" have beat me to it. There's nothing more whackadoo out there. Maybe it's all trolls.

How many do you think there are? I've considered asking how many "my kids are thriving and you need a babysitter" posters there really are out there. They have to be trolls, probably just a few, because nothing they say helps the union or teachers as a group in any way. Still, people continue to engage with them.

I don’t think they are trolls. You would not believe the things the teachers at my DCPS were saying to prevent our piddly half-opening. Then, the president of our PTA, who is a DCPS teacher himself, tried to throw the tiny opening we currently have under the bus. So, unfortunately, I think the nasty posters are actual DCPS/WTU folks. Meanwhile, I’ve become a pro-voucher Democrat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My working hypothesis is that the inflammatory teacher/union supporters on DCUM are in fact working for some pro-voucher lobbying group. They just say over-the-top, baiting stuff in order to make people get mad at unions.

Sounds like you're projecting.

I used to be a paid "troll" for unions. Here's why I don't think the people stating they are union supporters on DCUM are actual union supporters: The union's main target is always management. For example, when we went after certain grocery store products made by exploitative companies, we didn't yell at or shame shoppers. We certainly provided them information. But the goal was to get them on our side, not make them wholesale hate us. We had actions aimed at specific corporate owners.

But you? You're just professing to be mad at random parents who are already frustrated and tired. They've already found they have little individual power. They are hardly organized. Picking them off individually does you no good.

I will say that you are quite adept at your profession. You elicit anger left and right. Do keep it up.

Also, I might play...I wonder if anyone will be able to tell who is me (masquerading as you) and you.

I honestly had the same thought as you early on. The absolutely crazy and off-putting stuff supposed teachers were posting on here was so nuts that I thought they must be trolls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Specifically, it sounds like the union is attempting to frame the debate by arguing that everyone for school opening is operating in bad faith. That's obviously not true.

Which union? Why do hysterics on this board blame the union for everything?

wHiCh UnIoN cOuLd wE bE tAlKiNg AbOuT oN a FoRuM nAmEd DCUM

DCUM covers a wide geographic area. You tell us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My working hypothesis is that the inflammatory teacher/union supporters on DCUM are in fact working for some pro-voucher lobbying group. They just say over-the-top, baiting stuff in order to make people get mad at unions.

Sounds like you're projecting.

I used to be a paid "troll" for unions. Here's why I don't think the people stating they are union supporters on DCUM are actual union supporters: The union's main target is always management. For example, when we went after certain grocery store products made by exploitative companies, we didn't yell at or shame shoppers. We certainly provided them information. But the goal was to get them on our side, not make them wholesale hate us. We had actions aimed at specific corporate owners.

But you? You're just professing to be mad at random parents who are already frustrated and tired. They've already found they have little individual power. They are hardly organized. Picking them off individually does you no good.

I will say that you are quite adept at your profession. You elicit anger left and right. Do keep it up.

Also, I might play...I wonder if anyone will be able to tell who is me (masquerading as you) and you.

I honestly had the same thought as you early on. The absolutely crazy and off-putting stuff supposed teachers were posting on here was so nuts that I thought they must be trolls.

Do you mean actual teachers? Or the parents who the teacher-hating nut jobs randomly assume are teachers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My working hypothesis is that the inflammatory teacher/union supporters on DCUM are in fact working for some pro-voucher lobbying group. They just say over-the-top, baiting stuff in order to make people get mad at unions.

Sounds like you're projecting.

I used to be a paid "troll" for unions. Here's why I don't think the people stating they are union supporters on DCUM are actual union supporters: The union's main target is always management. For example, when we went after certain grocery store products made by exploitative companies, we didn't yell at or shame shoppers. We certainly provided them information. But the goal was to get them on our side, not make them wholesale hate us. We had actions aimed at specific corporate owners.

But you? You're just professing to be mad at random parents who are already frustrated and tired. They've already found they have little individual power. They are hardly organized. Picking them off individually does you no good.

I will say that you are quite adept at your profession. You elicit anger left and right. Do keep it up.

Also, I might play...I wonder if anyone will be able to tell who is me (masquerading as you) and you.

I honestly had the same thought as you early on. The absolutely crazy and off-putting stuff supposed teachers were posting on here was so nuts that I thought they must be trolls.

Do you mean actual teachers? Or the parents who the teacher-hating nut jobs randomly assume are teachers?

If it is parents who are telling people that they want schools to reopen because they hate their children and need babysitters, then the teachers' gripe is against those trolling parents who purport to be on the teachers' side.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh god. It's like we haven't been able to watch WTU back out of agreements it signs. Repeatedly. For a year. Apparently none of that happened.

The union supporters on DCUM seem pretty divorced from reality.

This is the general schools forum. We don't all follow the DC negotiations...

Uh, ok. I don't see how that addresses my point. My point is that we can watch what our unions do and have done and form beliefs about their behavior from facts. They aren't a "bogeyman".

Except when hysterical posters blame *everything* on “the unions”. It’s a load of crap.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My working hypothesis is that the inflammatory teacher/union supporters on DCUM are in fact working for some pro-voucher lobbying group. They just say over-the-top, baiting stuff in order to make people get mad at unions.

Sounds like you're projecting.

I used to be a paid "troll" for unions. Here's why I don't think the people stating they are union supporters on DCUM are actual union supporters: The union's main target is always management. For example, when we went after certain grocery store products made by exploitative companies, we didn't yell at or shame shoppers. We certainly provided them information. But the goal was to get them on our side, not make them wholesale hate us. We had actions aimed at specific corporate owners.

But you? You're just professing to be mad at random parents who are already frustrated and tired. They've already found they have little individual power. They are hardly organized. Picking them off individually does you no good.

I will say that you are quite adept at your profession. You elicit anger left and right. Do keep it up.

Also, I might play...I wonder if anyone will be able to tell who is me (masquerading as you) and you.

I honestly had the same thought as you early on. The absolutely crazy and off-putting stuff supposed teachers were posting on here was so nuts that I thought they must be trolls.

Do you mean actual teachers? Or the parents who the teacher-hating nut jobs randomly assume are teachers?

If it is parents who are telling people that they want schools to reopen because they hate their children and need babysitters, then the teachers' gripe is against those trolling parents who purport to be on the teachers' side.

I wouldn’t assume that it trolling. I’m sure some parents actually do think that about other parents. Probably the parents who vilify teachers and “the union” 24x7.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone likes to claim keeping schools closed is political but no one can ever answer what would be the possible political advantage to keeping them closed unnecessarily? There is none. Zero. It is a stupid, small minded talking point. Every municipality is managing this differently and we won’t know for some time who made the right call. Not until the dust has settled and the data are sorted will we know.

The political advantage is to appear to be the protectors of teachers, including their life and health. Any mention of the needs of children is dismissed as selfish and classist.

Well, it all started when Trump said to open schools. It was probably the only intelligent thing he ever said, but because Trump said it, it became socially unacceptable to advocate for anything other than basement dwelling (regardless of “the science”) . . . And here we are . . . Democrats in favor of undermining working mothers and not educating children. Truly unbelievable.

It's really weird for the left to be coming down AGAINST improved education and children.

Spoken like a RWNJ who loves to whip big false dilemmas around and see who he can fck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My working hypothesis is that the inflammatory teacher/union supporters on DCUM are in fact working for some pro-voucher lobbying group. They just say over-the-top, baiting stuff in order to make people get mad at unions.

Sounds like you're projecting.

I used to be a paid "troll" for unions. Here's why I don't think the people stating they are union supporters on DCUM are actual union supporters: The union's main target is always management. For example, when we went after certain grocery store products made by exploitative companies, we didn't yell at or shame shoppers. We certainly provided them information. But the goal was to get them on our side, not make them wholesale hate us. We had actions aimed at specific corporate owners.

But you? You're just professing to be mad at random parents who are already frustrated and tired. They've already found they have little individual power. They are hardly organized. Picking them off individually does you no good.

I will say that you are quite adept at your profession. You elicit anger left and right. Do keep it up.

Also, I might play...I wonder if anyone will be able to tell who is me (masquerading as you) and you.

You sound...a bit out of touch with reality. Maybe you should take a break from all of this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh god. It's like we haven't been able to watch WTU back out of agreements it signs. Repeatedly. For a year. Apparently none of that happened.

The union supporters on DCUM seem pretty divorced from reality.

This is the general schools forum. We don't all follow the DC negotiations...

Uh, ok. I don't see how that addresses my point. My point is that we can watch what our unions do and have done and form beliefs about their behavior from facts. They aren't a "bogeyman".

We don’t have teachers unions in VA so.........

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My working hypothesis is that the inflammatory teacher/union supporters on DCUM are in fact working for some pro-voucher lobbying group. They just say over-the-top, baiting stuff in order to make people get mad at unions.

Sounds like you're projecting.

Really? I've thought the same thing. There's no way anyone stating a good faith defense of teachers and the union position would do so in a manner likely to completely undermine confidence in public schools. There has to be an agenda..

I initially chimed in on this thread when I saw misleading data being used.

My agenda: proper use of data

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My working hypothesis is that the inflammatory teacher/union supporters on DCUM are in fact working for some pro-voucher lobbying group. They just say over-the-top, baiting stuff in order to make people get mad at unions.

Sounds like you're projecting.

I used to be a paid "troll" for unions. Here's why I don't think the people stating they are union supporters on DCUM are actual union supporters: The union's main target is always management. For example, when we went after certain grocery store products made by exploitative companies, we didn't yell at or shame shoppers. We certainly provided them information. But the goal was to get them on our side, not make them wholesale hate us. We had actions aimed at specific corporate owners.

But you? You're just professing to be mad at random parents who are already frustrated and tired. They've already found they have little individual power. They are hardly organized. Picking them off individually does you no good.

I will say that you are quite adept at your profession. You elicit anger left and right. Do keep it up.

Also, I might play...I wonder if anyone will be able to tell who is me (masquerading as you) and you.

+1

I generally love to troll, and yet, I have difficulty coming up with anything more wild, inflammatory, and ill-informed than anything the "union supporters" say. There's literally no difference. It is frustrating to find that the "union supporters" have beat me to it. There's nothing more whackadoo out there. Maybe it's all trolls.

How many do you think there are? I've considered asking how many "my kids are thriving and you need a babysitter" posters there really are out there. They have to be trolls, probably just a few, because nothing they say helps the union or teachers as a group in any way. Still, people continue to engage with them.

I don’t think they are trolls. You would not believe the things the teachers at my DCPS were saying to prevent our piddly half-opening. Then, the president of our PTA, who is a DCPS teacher himself, tried to throw the tiny opening we currently have under the bus. So, unfortunately, I think the nasty posters are actual DCPS/WTU folks. Meanwhile, I’ve become a pro-voucher Democrat.

Oh tell me!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My working hypothesis is that the inflammatory teacher/union supporters on DCUM are in fact working for some pro-voucher lobbying group. They just say over-the-top, baiting stuff in order to make people get mad at unions.

Sounds like you're projecting.

I used to be a paid "troll" for unions. Here's why I don't think the people stating they are union supporters on DCUM are actual union supporters: The union's main target is always management. For example, when we went after certain grocery store products made by exploitative companies, we didn't yell at or shame shoppers. We certainly provided them information. But the goal was to get them on our side, not make them wholesale hate us. We had actions aimed at specific corporate owners.

But you? You're just professing to be mad at random parents who are already frustrated and tired. They've already found they have little individual power. They are hardly organized. Picking them off individually does you no good.

I will say that you are quite adept at your profession. You elicit anger left and right. Do keep it up.

Also, I might play...I wonder if anyone will be able to tell who is me (masquerading as you) and you.

I honestly had the same thought as you early on. The absolutely crazy and off-putting stuff supposed teachers were posting on here was so nuts that I thought they must be trolls.

Do you mean actual teachers? Or the parents who the teacher-hating nut jobs randomly assume are teachers?

Aaaah yeah. "Teacher-hating nutjobs!" Such unreasonable requests "please accept a miniscule amount of risk and do your jobs like the rest of us." So outRAGEOUS!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh god. It's like we haven't been able to watch WTU back out of agreements it signs. Repeatedly. For a year. Apparently none of that happened.

The union supporters on DCUM seem pretty divorced from reality.

This is the general schools forum. We don't all follow the DC negotiations...

Uh, ok. I don't see how that addresses my point. My point is that we can watch what our unions do and have done and form beliefs about their behavior from facts. They aren't a "bogeyman".

Except when hysterical posters blame *everything* on “the unions”. It’s a load of crap.

*unions keep kids out of in-person school*

Parent: the unions are fighting against schools being in person!

Union trolls: WOAH WOAH WOAH. You can't blame the union for the things they're actually doing! That's rude!