Be careful: The same people who are weaponizing school opening are also blocking safe opening

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My working hypothesis is that the inflammatory teacher/union supporters on DCUM are in fact working for some pro-voucher lobbying group. They just say over-the-top, baiting stuff in order to make people get mad at unions.

Sounds like you're projecting.

[Anonymous]

I think some people are trying to use misleading / misinterpreted data to tell some story that just isn't true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh god. It's like we haven't been able to watch WTU back out of agreements it signs. Repeatedly. For a year. Apparently none of that happened.

The union supporters on DCUM seem pretty divorced from reality.

This is the general schools forum. We don't all follow the DC negotiations...

Uh, ok. I don't see how that addresses my point. My point is that we can watch what our unions do and have done and form beliefs about their behavior from facts. They aren't a "bogeyman".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My working hypothesis is that the inflammatory teacher/union supporters on DCUM are in fact working for some pro-voucher lobbying group. They just say over-the-top, baiting stuff in order to make people get mad at unions.

Sounds like you're projecting.

Case in point.

[Anonymous]

I am as democrat as it gets, but there is nothing more important right now than (safely) reopening schools. When schools in the rest of the US are reopening, and schools in Europe barely closed, it is unconscionable that kids in MoCo have not been in school for a year.

+100. I am basically anti-public sector* union now. And I am a democratic socialist. And it is not that I haven't been paying attention. The more I pay attention the more disgusted I get.

*Note: Not anti- the right to unionize. But is is silly to close your eyes to the moral hazard entailed in certain specific public sector union fights, like this one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am as democrat as it gets, but there is nothing more important right now than (safely) reopening schools. When schools in the rest of the US are reopening, and schools in Europe barely closed, it is unconscionable that kids in MoCo have not been in school for a year.

+100. I am basically anti-public sector* union now. And I am a democratic socialist. And it is not that I haven't been paying attention. The more I pay attention the more disgusted I get.

*Note: Not anti- the right to unionize. But is is silly to close your eyes to the moral hazard entailed in certain specific public sector union fights, like this one.

All public sector unions should be pissed at teachers. You don’t see sanitation workers refusing to come to work.

[Anonymous]

I am as democrat as it gets, but there is nothing more important right now than (safely) reopening schools. When schools in the rest of the US are reopening, and schools in Europe barely closed, it is unconscionable that kids in MoCo have not been in school for a year.

+100. I am basically anti-public sector* union now. And I am a democratic socialist. And it is not that I haven't been paying attention. The more I pay attention the more disgusted I get.

*Note: Not anti- the right to unionize. But is is silly to close your eyes to the moral hazard entailed in certain specific public sector union fights, like this one.

All public sector unions should be pissed at teachers. You don’t see sanitation workers refusing to come to work.

Fair enough! I did say "specific" public sector union issues!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My working hypothesis is that the inflammatory teacher/union supporters on DCUM are in fact working for some pro-voucher lobbying group. They just say over-the-top, baiting stuff in order to make people get mad at unions.

Sounds like you're projecting.

Really? I've thought the same thing. There's no way anyone stating a good faith defense of teachers and the union position would do so in a manner likely to completely undermine confidence in public schools. There has to be an agenda..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone likes to claim keeping schools closed is political but no one can ever answer what would be the possible political advantage to keeping them closed unnecessarily? There is none. Zero. It is a stupid, small minded talking point. Every municipality is managing this differently and we won’t know for some time who made the right call. Not until the dust has settled and the data are sorted will we know.

The political advantage is to appear to be the protectors of teachers, including their life and health. Any mention of the needs of children is dismissed as selfish and classist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My working hypothesis is that the inflammatory teacher/union supporters on DCUM are in fact working for some pro-voucher lobbying group. They just say over-the-top, baiting stuff in order to make people get mad at unions.

Sounds like you're projecting.

I used to be a paid "troll" for unions. Here's why I don't think the people stating they are union supporters on DCUM are actual union supporters: The union's main target is always management. For example, when we went after certain grocery store products made by exploitative companies, we didn't yell at or shame shoppers. We certainly provided them information. But the goal was to get them on our side, not make them wholesale hate us. We had actions aimed at specific corporate owners.

But you? You're just professing to be mad at random parents who are already frustrated and tired. They've already found they have little individual power. They are hardly organized. Picking them off individually does you no good.

I will say that you are quite adept at your profession. You elicit anger left and right. Do keep it up.

Also, I might play...I wonder if anyone will be able to tell who is me (masquerading as you) and you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone likes to claim keeping schools closed is political but no one can ever answer what would be the possible political advantage to keeping them closed unnecessarily? There is none. Zero. It is a stupid, small minded talking point. Every municipality is managing this differently and we won’t know for some time who made the right call. Not until the dust has settled and the data are sorted will we know.

The political advantage is to appear to be the protectors of teachers, including their life and health. Any mention of the needs of children is dismissed as selfish and classist.

Well, it all started when Trump said to open schools. It was probably the only intelligent thing he ever said, but because Trump said it, it became socially unacceptable to advocate for anything other than basement dwelling (regardless of “the science”) . . . And here we are . . . Democrats in favor of undermining working mothers and not educating children. Truly unbelievable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Specifically, it sounds like the union is attempting to frame the debate by arguing that everyone for school opening is operating in bad faith. That's obviously not true.

Which union? Why do hysterics on this board blame the union for everything?

wHiCh UnIoN cOuLd wE bE tAlKiNg AbOuT oN a FoRuM nAmEd DCUM

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone likes to claim keeping schools closed is political but no one can ever answer what would be the possible political advantage to keeping them closed unnecessarily? There is none. Zero. It is a stupid, small minded talking point. Every municipality is managing this differently and we won’t know for some time who made the right call. Not until the dust has settled and the data are sorted will we know.

The political advantage is to appear to be the protectors of teachers, including their life and health. Any mention of the needs of children is dismissed as selfish and classist.

Well, it all started when Trump said to open schools. It was probably the only intelligent thing he ever said, but because Trump said it, it became socially unacceptable to advocate for anything other than basement dwelling (regardless of “the science”) . . . And here we are . . . Democrats in favor of undermining working mothers and not educating children. Truly unbelievable.

It's really weird for the left to be coming down AGAINST improved education and children.

[Anonymous]

Everyone likes to claim keeping schools closed is political but no one can ever answer what would be the possible political advantage to keeping them closed unnecessarily? There is none. Zero. It is a stupid, small minded talking point. Every municipality is managing this differently and we won’t know for some time who made the right call. Not until the dust has settled and the data are sorted will we know.

The political advantage is to appear to be the protectors of teachers, including their life and health. Any mention of the needs of children is dismissed as selfish and classist.

Well, it all started when Trump said to open schools. It was probably the only intelligent thing he ever said, but because Trump said it, it became socially unacceptable to advocate for anything other than basement dwelling (regardless of “the science”) . . . And here we are . . . Democrats in favor of undermining working mothers and not educating children. Truly unbelievable.

1+. Never thought I would see it, but here we are. Just another thing Trump ruined--Democrats' own priorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My working hypothesis is that the inflammatory teacher/union supporters on DCUM are in fact working for some pro-voucher lobbying group. They just say over-the-top, baiting stuff in order to make people get mad at unions.

Sounds like you're projecting.

I used to be a paid "troll" for unions. Here's why I don't think the people stating they are union supporters on DCUM are actual union supporters: The union's main target is always management. For example, when we went after certain grocery store products made by exploitative companies, we didn't yell at or shame shoppers. We certainly provided them information. But the goal was to get them on our side, not make them wholesale hate us. We had actions aimed at specific corporate owners.

But you? You're just professing to be mad at random parents who are already frustrated and tired. They've already found they have little individual power. They are hardly organized. Picking them off individually does you no good.

I will say that you are quite adept at your profession. You elicit anger left and right. Do keep it up.

Also, I might play...I wonder if anyone will be able to tell who is me (masquerading as you) and you.

+1

I generally love to troll, and yet, I have difficulty coming up with anything more wild, inflammatory, and ill-informed than anything the "union supporters" say. There's literally no difference. It is frustrating to find that the "union supporters" have beat me to it. There's nothing more whackadoo out there. Maybe it's all trolls.