Be careful: The same people who are weaponizing school opening are also blocking safe opening

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone likes to claim keeping schools closed is political but no one can ever answer what would be the possible political advantage to keeping them closed unnecessarily? There is none. Zero. It is a stupid, small minded talking point. Every municipality is managing this differently and we won’t know for some time who made the right call. Not until the dust has settled and the data are sorted will we know.

The political advantage is to appear to be the protectors of teachers, including their life and health. Any mention of the needs of children is dismissed as selfish and classist.

Well, it all started when Trump said to open schools. It was probably the only intelligent thing he ever said, but because Trump said it, it became socially unacceptable to advocate for anything other than basement dwelling (regardless of “the science”) . . . And here we are . . . Democrats in favor of undermining working mothers and not educating children. Truly unbelievable.

It's really weird for the left to be coming down AGAINST improved education and children.

Spoken like a RWNJ who loves to whip big false dilemmas around and see who he can fck.

It's funny that you say that, because I actually was a union leader in a different public sector union.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone likes to claim keeping schools closed is political but no one can ever answer what would be the possible political advantage to keeping them closed unnecessarily? There is none. Zero. It is a stupid, small minded talking point. Every municipality is managing this differently and we won’t know for some time who made the right call. Not until the dust has settled and the data are sorted will we know.

The political advantage is to appear to be the protectors of teachers, including their life and health. Any mention of the needs of children is dismissed as selfish and classist.

Well, it all started when Trump said to open schools. It was probably the only intelligent thing he ever said, but because Trump said it, it became socially unacceptable to advocate for anything other than basement dwelling (regardless of “the science”) . . . And here we are . . . Democrats in favor of undermining working mothers and not educating children. Truly unbelievable.

It's really weird for the left to be coming down AGAINST improved education and children.

Spoken like a RWNJ who loves to whip big false dilemmas around and see who he can fck.

It's funny that you say that, because I actually was a union leader in a different public sector union.

That doesn’t preclude you from being a RWNJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My working hypothesis is that the inflammatory teacher/union supporters on DCUM are in fact working for some pro-voucher lobbying group. They just say over-the-top, baiting stuff in order to make people get mad at unions.

Sounds like you're projecting.

I used to be a paid "troll" for unions. Here's why I don't think the people stating they are union supporters on DCUM are actual union supporters: The union's main target is always management. For example, when we went after certain grocery store products made by exploitative companies, we didn't yell at or shame shoppers. We certainly provided them information. But the goal was to get them on our side, not make them wholesale hate us. We had actions aimed at specific corporate owners.

But you? You're just professing to be mad at random parents who are already frustrated and tired. They've already found they have little individual power. They are hardly organized. Picking them off individually does you no good.

I will say that you are quite adept at your profession. You elicit anger left and right. Do keep it up.

Also, I might play...I wonder if anyone will be able to tell who is me (masquerading as you) and you.

I honestly had the same thought as you early on. The absolutely crazy and off-putting stuff supposed teachers were posting on here was so nuts that I thought they must be trolls.

Do you mean actual teachers? Or the parents who the teacher-hating nut jobs randomly assume are teachers?

Aaaah yeah. "Teacher-hating nutjobs!" Such unreasonable requests "please accept a miniscule amount of risk and do your jobs like the rest of us." So outRAGEOUS!

I’m talking about the nut jobs on DCUM who assume that any post remotely supportive of teachers MUST be posted by a teacher. They are irrational and vile.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh god. It's like we haven't been able to watch WTU back out of agreements it signs. Repeatedly. For a year. Apparently none of that happened.

The union supporters on DCUM seem pretty divorced from reality.

This is the general schools forum. We don't all follow the DC negotiations...

Uh, ok. I don't see how that addresses my point. My point is that we can watch what our unions do and have done and form beliefs about their behavior from facts. They aren't a "bogeyman".

Except when hysterical posters blame *everything* on “the unions”. It’s a load of crap.

*unions keep kids out of in-person school*

Parent: the unions are fighting against schools being in person!

Union trolls: WOAH WOAH WOAH. You can't blame the union for the things they're actually doing! That's rude!

Right. That’s the only thing teacher-hating parents say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone likes to claim keeping schools closed is political but no one can ever answer what would be the possible political advantage to keeping them closed unnecessarily? There is none. Zero. It is a stupid, small minded talking point. Every municipality is managing this differently and we won’t know for some time who made the right call. Not until the dust has settled and the data are sorted will we know.

The political advantage is to appear to be the protectors of teachers, including their life and health. Any mention of the needs of children is dismissed as selfish and classist.

Well, it all started when Trump said to open schools. It was probably the only intelligent thing he ever said, but because Trump said it, it became socially unacceptable to advocate for anything other than basement dwelling (regardless of “the science”) . . . And here we are . . . Democrats in favor of undermining working mothers and not educating children. Truly unbelievable.

It's really weird for the left to be coming down AGAINST improved education and children.

Spoken like a RWNJ who loves to whip big false dilemmas around and see who he can fck.

It's funny that you say that, because I actually was a union leader in a different public sector union.

That doesn’t preclude you from being a RWNJ.

i guess you want to just label people as right wing nut jobs simply because they find that one union is misbehaving. i believe this union is misbehaving and i believe that the children should come first. if that is somehow an extreme right wing position, then, you know, i would have to say that the right wing is right on this one.

that's it apparently. this is what defines the right from the left. whether you value the lives of children over adults.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh god. It's like we haven't been able to watch WTU back out of agreements it signs. Repeatedly. For a year. Apparently none of that happened.

The union supporters on DCUM seem pretty divorced from reality.

This is the general schools forum. We don't all follow the DC negotiations...

Uh, ok. I don't see how that addresses my point. My point is that we can watch what our unions do and have done and form beliefs about their behavior from facts. They aren't a "bogeyman".

Except when hysterical posters blame *everything* on “the unions”. It’s a load of crap.

*unions keep kids out of in-person school*

Parent: the unions are fighting against schools being in person!

Union trolls: WOAH WOAH WOAH. You can't blame the union for the things they're actually doing! That's rude!

Right. That’s the only thing teacher-hating parents say.

Weird, because ^^ is the main thing that nearsighted union trolls say! You almost had us, but no reasonable person would ignore the whole discourse like that.

[Anonymous]

As a math teacher and union member, I have to say that all of you are vile. Even the ones of you "on my side" are just bad, catty people. I'm sorry, but I can't stand a single one of you, and that includes those of you who like to brownnose and attack other parents for disagreeing. It's not going to make any of us like you more.

I like some of your kids, but none of the parents, and I know many teachers who feel the same.

I'm sure this destroys the worldview of the "union supporters" here, but just look at yourselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a math teacher and union member, I have to say that all of you are vile. Even the ones of you "on my side" are just bad, catty people. I'm sorry, but I can't stand a single one of you, and that includes those of you who like to brownnose and attack other parents for disagreeing. It's not going to make any of us like you more.

I like some of your kids, but none of the parents, and I know many teachers who feel the same.

I'm sure this destroys the worldview of the "union supporters" here, but just look at yourselves.

Wait - you think that the reason why parents are ragging on the teacher haters is because they are trying to......suck up to teachers? LOL. It's an anonymous forum FFS.

Why don't you put your skills to good use, math teacher. Go berate the data abusers on this thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh god. It's like we haven't been able to watch WTU back out of agreements it signs. Repeatedly. For a year. Apparently none of that happened.

The union supporters on DCUM seem pretty divorced from reality.

This is the general schools forum. We don't all follow the DC negotiations...

Uh, ok. I don't see how that addresses my point. My point is that we can watch what our unions do and have done and form beliefs about their behavior from facts. They aren't a "bogeyman".

Except when hysterical posters blame *everything* on “the unions”. It’s a load of crap.

*unions keep kids out of in-person school*

Parent: the unions are fighting against schools being in person!

Union trolls: WOAH WOAH WOAH. You can't blame the union for the things they're actually doing! That's rude!

Right. That’s the only thing teacher-hating parents say.

Weird, because ^^ is the main thing that nearsighted union trolls say! You almost had us, but no reasonable person would ignore the whole discourse like that.

I don't know what specific conversations you are referencing, but the teacher haters on DCUM say all kinds of irrational, crazy sh1t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone likes to claim keeping schools closed is political but no one can ever answer what would be the possible political advantage to keeping them closed unnecessarily? There is none. Zero. It is a stupid, small minded talking point. Every municipality is managing this differently and we won’t know for some time who made the right call. Not until the dust has settled and the data are sorted will we know.

The political advantage is to appear to be the protectors of teachers, including their life and health. Any mention of the needs of children is dismissed as selfish and classist.

Well, it all started when Trump said to open schools. It was probably the only intelligent thing he ever said, but because Trump said it, it became socially unacceptable to advocate for anything other than basement dwelling (regardless of “the science”) . . . And here we are . . . Democrats in favor of undermining working mothers and not educating children. Truly unbelievable.

It's really weird for the left to be coming down AGAINST improved education and children.

Spoken like a RWNJ who loves to whip big false dilemmas around and see who he can fck.

It's funny that you say that, because I actually was a union leader in a different public sector union.

That doesn’t preclude you from being a RWNJ.

i guess you want to just label people as right wing nut jobs simply because they find that one union is misbehaving. i believe this union is misbehaving and i believe that the children should come first. if that is somehow an extreme right wing position, then, you know, i would have to say that the right wing is right on this one.

that's it apparently. this is what defines the right from the left. whether you value the lives of children over adults.

So do you "value the lives of the children"? Are you a conservative?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is political.
Allocation of resources in any municipality is done by political leaders. Priorities are set by those same leaders.

Frankly, the politics of race has played a large role in shuttering schools. Minorities have been hit hard by Covid - and have not demanded schools reopen out of well founded health concerns.

In the name of “equity” politicians have kept schools closed. The DMV has a large minority population and no leader wants to prioritize an issue that is not supported by a large group of people.

Of course it’s political in the DMV.

So making sure that children of color have access to the same things that their white peers do is politics now? I thought that was basic human decency. It isn interesting how comfortable people are with unfairness in the system as long as they are on the winning side of it but when the coin flips, "That's not fair" is the cry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is political.
Allocation of resources in any municipality is done by political leaders. Priorities are set by those same leaders.

Frankly, the politics of race has played a large role in shuttering schools. Minorities have been hit hard by Covid - and have not demanded schools reopen out of well founded health concerns.

In the name of “equity” politicians have kept schools closed. The DMV has a large minority population and no leader wants to prioritize an issue that is not supported by a large group of people.

Of course it’s political in the DMV.

So making sure that children of color have access to the same things that their white peers do is politics now? I thought that was basic human decency. It isn interesting how comfortable people are with unfairness in the system as long as they are on the winning side of it but when the coin flips, "That's not fair" is the cry.

Isn’t the the whole premise of a ‘good’ school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is political.
Allocation of resources in any municipality is done by political leaders. Priorities are set by those same leaders.

Frankly, the politics of race has played a large role in shuttering schools. Minorities have been hit hard by Covid - and have not demanded schools reopen out of well founded health concerns.

In the name of “equity” politicians have kept schools closed. The DMV has a large minority population and no leader wants to prioritize an issue that is not supported by a large group of people.

Of course it’s political in the DMV.

So making sure that children of color have access to the same things that their white peers do is politics now? I thought that was basic human decency. It isn interesting how comfortable people are with unfairness in the system as long as they are on the winning side of it but when the coin flips, "That's not fair" is the cry.

If you weren't such a union-hating asshole who fear collective action, then all kids could get the same education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is political.
Allocation of resources in any municipality is done by political leaders. Priorities are set by those same leaders.

Frankly, the politics of race has played a large role in shuttering schools. Minorities have been hit hard by Covid - and have not demanded schools reopen out of well founded health concerns.

In the name of “equity” politicians have kept schools closed. The DMV has a large minority population and no leader wants to prioritize an issue that is not supported by a large group of people.

Of course it’s political in the DMV.

So making sure that children of color have access to the same things that their white peers do is politics now? I thought that was basic human decency. It isn interesting how comfortable people are with unfairness in the system as long as they are on the winning side of it but when the coin flips, "That's not fair" is the cry.

If you weren't such a union-hating asshole who fear collective action, then all kids could get the same education.

Where have unions gotten smaller class sizes or science-based literacy programs? In my state the (non-collective bargaining) union isn't pushing for these things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is political.
Allocation of resources in any municipality is done by political leaders. Priorities are set by those same leaders.

Frankly, the politics of race has played a large role in shuttering schools. Minorities have been hit hard by Covid - and have not demanded schools reopen out of well founded health concerns.

In the name of “equity” politicians have kept schools closed. The DMV has a large minority population and no leader wants to prioritize an issue that is not supported by a large group of people.

Of course it’s political in the DMV.

So making sure that children of color have access to the same things that their white peers do is politics now? I thought that was basic human decency. It isn interesting how comfortable people are with unfairness in the system as long as they are on the winning side of it but when the coin flips, "That's not fair" is the cry.

If you weren't such a union-hating asshole who fear collective action, then all kids could get the same education.

Where have unions gotten smaller class sizes or science-based literacy programs? In my state the (non-collective bargaining) union isn't pushing for these things.

That’s because they aren’t a “union” and don’t have any political power.