I definitely said a lot of racist & problematic things in the 90s

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Black folks have been "cancelled" for largely just existing for over a century. Now we are suppose to care if folks with a racist past have to take heat for their views? Now you are mildly inconvenienced and *now* "cancel culture" is a problem?

So, using a term as a teenager that you now view as racist or discriminatory makes you a racist? That's a slippery slope.

No I think cancel culture is always a problem and I’m not a hypocrite about it. I think it goes both ways including giving Trump the bird.

You think everybody should be let out of jail?

No, but I do believe in decriminalizing marijuana and I’m open to restorative justice and some other ways of reforming our justice system.

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Everyone here probably sat indian style in elementary school and called it that too. Criss cross applesauce didn’t exist then!!!

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Anonymous wrote:How about Joe Biden and how he treated Anita Hill in 1992.

Oh go away. Your cult leader lost.

I mean, he/she is not lying. If we’re talking about super anachronistic non-PC stuff that wasn’t all that long ago, why is this out of bounds to mention. It’s not like they brought up creepily holding the shoulders of another mans wife, on stage, from behind, while nuzzling her ear...

Also I’d throw in staunch anti gay marriage speeches by Obama and H. Clinton. But I don’t want this generally interesting thread to become overly political. That’s not the point. But it’s not only racist rednecks who quite recently did some dirt that would definitely get you cancelled now. They didn’t know better at the time, but others should have...?

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Anonymous wrote:how did you play eanie meanie miney mo?

As a kid in the 70"s? N word

As a parent in the 2000"s? tiger

Learn more, do better

What region of the US did you live in? MD suburb here in the 1970s and it was "tiger."

Agree with learn more, do better.

I am beyond shocked that anyone said that in the 1970s. I’m 50 and I remember the 70s well. I had never heard that word until it became used in rap music, I don’t think. White peoole I knew certainly did not say it.

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Anonymous wrote:How about Joe Biden and how he treated Anita Hill in 1992.

Oh go away. Your cult leader lost.

I mean, he/she is not lying. If we’re talking about super anachronistic non-PC stuff that wasn’t all that long ago, why is this out of bounds to mention. It’s not like they brought up creepily holding the shoulders of another mans wife, on stage, from behind, while nuzzling her ear...

Also I’d throw in staunch anti gay marriage speeches by Obama and H. Clinton. But I don’t want this generally interesting thread to become overly political. That’s not the point. But it’s not only racist rednecks who quite recently did some dirt that would definitely get you cancelled now. They didn’t know better at the time, but others should have...?

Her marital status has nothing to do with men being creepy.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why that was the norm? Where I grew up, we were homogenous generic while population. Most slights and insults were based on socioeconomic circumstances.
Peasant, mechanic, etc. Perhaps it was actually worse back in my home country, not only did we not do such bigotry, it was likely a taboo and hence never even spoken about in any setting.

More likely you didnt have much racial diversity. Seems more social/economic.

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Anonymous wrote:How about Joe Biden and how he treated Anita Hill in 1992.

Oh go away. Your cult leader lost.

He'll be back. That's why they're trying to impeach him.

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Anonymous wrote:How about Joe Biden and how he treated Anita Hill in 1992.

Oh go away. Your cult leader lost.

I mean, he/she is not lying. If we’re talking about super anachronistic non-PC stuff that wasn’t all that long ago, why is this out of bounds to mention. It’s not like they brought up creepily holding the shoulders of another mans wife, on stage, from behind, while nuzzling her ear...

Also I’d throw in staunch anti gay marriage speeches by Obama and H. Clinton. But I don’t want this generally interesting thread to become overly political. That’s not the point. But it’s not only racist rednecks who quite recently did some dirt that would definitely get you cancelled now. They didn’t know better at the time, but others should have...?

Logic explanation does not compute with leftist brain.

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My mind is being blown by stuff that people are saying was normal in the 70s, 80s and 90s. I grew up then, in not major metropolitan areas, and offensive speech was not as common as people here seem to suggest. No one used the n word that I ever heard except maybe watching Roots or something like that. People did use the r— word pretty inappropriately, though. Lots of homorphobic jokes but almost exclusively from boys/men. Women really didn’t make those sorts of comments and generally thought they were dumb or offensive. Will and grace was in the 90. So was DOMA—but everyone I knew under 40 thought DOMA was dumb and offensive. Someone upgthread said people said “Oriental” in the 90s. The only person I can think of that used that term in the 90s were people that were in their 90s themselves! I can remember correcting grandparents back in the 90s on this.

Yes, there were problems and we all still have a long way to go. But I am blown away by people’s descriptions of what they think was normal in the 70s, 80s and 90s.

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Anonymous wrote:Middle class white female here.

I feel like, looking back at growing up in the 90s, I said a lot of cringeworthy, racist and homophobic things in middle school and probably high school (early 2000s). Thank god we didn't have social media before MySpace.
I'm politically liberal/progressive now (though not insanely woke as it is) and my parents were Democrats, but man.... the things that used to be acceptable back then would get us canceled these days.

I recall there was some presentation a group of us gave in history class where I was in the role of a Chinese person and made fake Asian eyes. I also remember a ton of offhand homophobic and trans-phobic comments people made. The word "gay" was an insult. And I remember there was some rumor that a celebrity was trans and people were aghast, and talked about them like they were some kind of zoo animal.

I grew up in a small town, a very Republican town in a blue state. Majority white, a lot of born-again Christians. We had maybe three Black kids in school and one LGBTQ person. Also, the movies we used to watch from the 90s and 80s would never be acceptable now. Not that this is a bad thing - I'm glad we've come a long way with being more inclusive and less bigoted, and we have a LONG way to go.

This all being said, I wonder what the statute of limitations is on canceling someone. I imagine there will be more and more Millennial politicians who will be excoriated for something posted on a defunct MySpace page.

I’m ten years older than you and never did anything like that.

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Anonymous wrote:Middle class white female here.

I feel like, looking back at growing up in the 90s, I said a lot of cringeworthy, racist and homophobic things in middle school and probably high school (early 2000s). Thank god we didn't have social media before MySpace.
I'm politically liberal/progressive now (though not insanely woke as it is) and my parents were Democrats, but man.... the things that used to be acceptable back then would get us canceled these days.

I recall there was some presentation a group of us gave in history class where I was in the role of a Chinese person and made fake Asian eyes. I also remember a ton of offhand homophobic and trans-phobic comments people made. The word "gay" was an insult. And I remember there was some rumor that a celebrity was trans and people were aghast, and talked about them like they were some kind of zoo animal.

I grew up in a small town, a very Republican town in a blue state. Majority white, a lot of born-again Christians. We had maybe three Black kids in school and one LGBTQ person. Also, the movies we used to watch from the 90s and 80s would never be acceptable now. Not that this is a bad thing - I'm glad we've come a long way with being more inclusive and less bigoted, and we have a LONG way to go.

This all being said, I wonder what the statute of limitations is on canceling someone. I imagine there will be more and more Millennial politicians who will be excoriated for something posted on a defunct MySpace page.

Once a racist, always a racist.


Scum.

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Anonymous wrote:POC here- yep, I went to school with people like OP- they were incredibly commonplace. I hope you’ve reflected on how horribly you treated others.

This is the thing. No matter how ”normal” it was to be that way, you were harming people the whole time. You didn’t notice it it, but they always noticed. You are in all of their stories. Now just picture OP multiplied by everyone like OP, thoughtlessly dehumanizing people and reaping the benefits of being favored. It is shocking how many middle aged white people have no idea how many people they hurt or gained an unfair advantage over. without even knowing. Learning is the only path forward.

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Think about the words you have used above-- "People who hate being called out on their shitty behavior are crying about cancel culture rather than actually changing. You are so right. So if you really want people to change, maybe there is a different way to get to these people. Yes, people need to recognize that their beliefs, behaviors, values are racist. But the way this is being done now is destructive rather than bridge building. If people really want the change they are now shouting about, they must figure out a way to do this without antagonizing others. Yes. I recognize that racism antagonizes people so way should we tiptoe around the racists? I am not necessarily advocating for tiptoeing, however, I am stressing the need to go about changing people in a way that will make people WANT to change. A lot of racist people are very dense; they don't want to listen; they feel entrenched in their beliefs, etc. Accusations, confrontations, toughness is not the way to get through to people. Look at all the people publicly apologizing... do you think that most are apologizing because they really mean it--- It appears to me that they are apologizing because if they don't, they will lose their livelihoods. So really, the only thing we are accomplishing is getting people to issue fake apologies rather than truly changing the way people think. Talk is cheap. I remember reading about a member of the controversial Westoboro Baptist Church that would demonstrate against gays in the military, among other things. I don't remember the exact details, but someone kindly reached out to one of the members and engaged in dialogue with that member. Eventually the member left the church because she developed a meaningful relationship with the person who reached out to her and came to truly believe that what the Church was doing was wrong. She learned that the people she demonstrated against were real human beings with feelings and value. Kind, honest and compassionate dialogue is what works. There is a double standard, however, if we really want to eradicate racism, we need to use effective means to do that. Accusations, blame, discrimination, name calling... these are not effective methods for winning people over to your side.

hmm- this is a competitive world, all the plum spots used to be automatically given to white men, there aren't enough "good' jobs, seats at "good" universities, seats in the boardroom, partnerships for everyone who is smart and capable to get one, so the perfect, spotless person who never said anything questionable, never had a stress day, always did everything right- they will win the spot. Before there were more spots available to whites b/c our racial hierarchy went unchallenged, the truth is, you don't hav any wiggle room, some who presents as less problematic than you in whichever way is ready to take your place. That girl who got her acceptance rescinded to Tennessee, well, the truth is that there is another student on the wait list who was just as good as her, they didn't get the spot b/c of random chance, as soon as the uni saw that there was something negative attributed to her they said, lets get rid of her, take the just as good other person off the waitlist. Its a very competitive world out there and the only reason people got passes for all sorts of things before is b/c large swathes of their natural competition was forcibly held back. Chinese proverb-" if you dont want anyone to know you did the thing, dont do the thing" I am of the "when you know better, do better camp" but the world we live in is full of capable intelligent people and anyone who has any black spot against them can just as easily be replaced by someone who doesnt. the safety that used to come from being the right background, sec, etc etc has become less efficacious.

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I walked on Wall Street in 1986 and we called stuff like Israel Bonds, Jew Bonds. We cursed at everyone, each broker dealer had its own.
Brown Brothers Wasp. Catholic and Jews Tolerated in back office
Morgan Stanley Irish
Lehman/Shearson Jews.

I worked at Shearson and was told outright not part of Tribe, worked at brown brothers in 1996 and at that time no Catholic had ever made partner.

I would come home from work cursing as I would scream at work curse words around 12 hours a day.

I had no problem with it.

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Uppidity is a phrase I cant use since the 1980s.