20,000 kids missing from DCPS

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Anonymous wrote:I love how little concern there is on this thread about thousands of kids not attending school AT ALL. It’s just belly aching about Perry Stein or hairsplitting over the numbers. No one expresses any concern whatsoever about the kids.

Learn to read. The thread title is about the "20,000 kids missing". The issue I took with both the headline and the article is that is provides no evidence to support that conclusion. As I (and others) have already explained to you several times, the number isn't down 20,000 from years prior at this point in the process. Assuming it is "only" overstating the issue by 10,000 that's a huge, intellectually dishonest overstatement. Plus, as we have also explained, even the article acknowledges that many students typically do registration confirmation in person so it isn't clear whether some of these "missing" students are even missing, or just attending after having failed to register.

No one is saying kids shouldn't be in school. What we are saying is that this article provides fuel for a fire where there might not even be smoke.

I am loving the DCUM Hill and upper NW parents who don't want these poor and homeless kids anywhere near their schools but have recently decided to mention them because it tracks with their narrative that they want to go back to school.

Last year, there were 99,000 students in the system.

This year, only 77,000 have logged into a class at least once.

That means almost one-quarter of the students have yet to attend a single class this year.

How many thousands more have attended only one or two or three classes and then quit?

This translates to an astronomical absentee rate.

This is happening across the country. It's not just DC.

Seattle just released numbers showing less than half of elementary students there logged on for online learning.
https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/limited-data-show-less-than-half-of-seattles-elementary-school-kids-logged-in-to-districts-online-portal-last-spring/

Less than half have logged in at some schools in Chicago:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-cps-first-day-remote-learning-attendance-20200911-o7bnmhjnovhwlabow35a53fo3q-story.html

One quarter of students missing in Detroit:
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/09/16/detroit-school-district-online-learning/5816523002/

Please listen the daily podcast on homeless children to get a sense of the obstacles these children have to engaging in learning. It broke my heart that this is how we as a society treat the most vulnerable.

unbelievable.

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Oh please don’t even. Those kids are the ones who miss school IN PERSON too. You obviously have not seen a title 1 school with a high amount of at risk kids.

What we really need is buses for students and not just ones with special needs.

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Less than half have logged in at some schools in Chicago:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-cps-...novhwlabow35a53fo3q-story.html

One quarter of students missing in Detroit:
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/de...ct-online-learning/5816523002/


Please listen the daily podcast on homeless children to get a sense of the obstacles these children have to engaging in learning. It broke my heart that this is how we as a society treat the most vulnerable.

unbelievable.

Oh please don’t even. Those kids are the ones who miss school IN PERSON too. You obviously have not seen a title 1 school with a high amount of at risk kids.

What we really need is buses for students and not just ones with special needs.

Please, yourself! Did you even read those articles? Both indicated that attendance is down over 10% (on average, not even just at the worst schools) from the preceding years.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think most of this is all the shuffling around going on. Kids moving in with grandparents, enrolling or unenrolling at private schools, kindergartners being pulled to redshirt or attend an in person day care etc.

Let's see how things look in October before panicking.

moving in with grandparents? seriously? that is totally ridiculous. it is exactly what it looks like: massive numbers of poor students dropping out of the school system altogether. it's happening in city after city. everyone should be panicking.

Based on what data is that totally ridiculous? People everywhere are scrambling for childcare, rich and poor. Moving in with grandparents is a very common solution.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think most of this is all the shuffling around going on. Kids moving in with grandparents, enrolling or unenrolling at private schools, kindergartners being pulled to redshirt or attend an in person day care etc.

Let's see how things look in October before panicking.

moving in with grandparents? seriously? that is totally ridiculous. it is exactly what it looks like: massive numbers of poor students dropping out of the school system altogether. it's happening in city after city. everyone should be panicking.

But it's not what Perry presents it as. I'm at a high poverty school. Our students are enrolled and attending. I know staff at other high poverty schools and their students are there too. The issue is PAPERWORK and DC's strict requirement of enrolling and proving residency each year. The only grades that are truly under-enrolled are pre-school and pre-K. The city does need to address this, especially for at-risk kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think most of this is all the shuffling around going on. Kids moving in with grandparents, enrolling or unenrolling at private schools, kindergartners being pulled to redshirt or attend an in person day care etc.

Let's see how things look in October before panicking.

moving in with grandparents? seriously? that is totally ridiculous. it is exactly what it looks like: massive numbers of poor students dropping out of the school system altogether. it's happening in city after city. everyone should be panicking.

Based on what data is that totally ridiculous? People everywhere are scrambling for childcare, rich and poor. Moving in with grandparents is a very common solution.

And their grandparents are refusing to let their grandchildren log into distance learning, right? That's the real reason tens of thousands of kids are missing from school systems across the country? Because of evil grandparents?

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They've reverted to their natural state!

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Anonymous wrote:I really think most of this is all the shuffling around going on. Kids moving in with grandparents, enrolling or unenrolling at private schools, kindergartners being pulled to redshirt or attend an in person day care etc.

Let's see how things look in October before panicking.

moving in with grandparents? seriously? that is totally ridiculous. it is exactly what it looks like: massive numbers of poor students dropping out of the school system altogether. it's happening in city after city. everyone should be panicking.

But it's not what Perry presents it as. I'm at a high poverty school. Our students are enrolled and attending. I know staff at other high poverty schools and their students are there too. The issue is PAPERWORK and DC's strict requirement of enrolling and proving residency each year. The only grades that are truly under-enrolled are pre-school and pre-K. The city does need to address this, especially for at-risk kids.

Nobody cares about the paperwork (and we know DC doesn't lift a finger to try to prove residency). The issue is the number of kids logging into class. Last year there were 99,000 students in the system. According to the story, only 77,000 have actually logged in at least once. That's 20,000 who have never logged in -- not once. How many thousands more have only logged in once or twice?

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We are at a diverse Capitol Hill DCPS and there are 2 kids who haven't shown up for K once. They're on the teacher's schedule for testing (no idea if they showed up to that) so I don't think they've officially switched to a different school or anything, but they have literally never logged in for class AFAIK. A handful of other kids are rarely there. I don't know the situations of these kids, so it could be a mix of falling through the cracks entirely and hyper-involved homeschooling parents who are giving their kids a much better education. I worry a lot for the kids though and also for what classes are going to be like when kids do get back. There's always a range of abilities, but if they keep with the normal social promotion policy, it is going to be *insane* next year.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think most of this is all the shuffling around going on. Kids moving in with grandparents, enrolling or unenrolling at private schools, kindergartners being pulled to redshirt or attend an in person day care etc.

Let's see how things look in October before panicking.

moving in with grandparents? seriously? that is totally ridiculous. it is exactly what it looks like: massive numbers of poor students dropping out of the school system altogether. it's happening in city after city. everyone should be panicking.

But it's not what Perry presents it as. I'm at a high poverty school. Our students are enrolled and attending. I know staff at other high poverty schools and their students are there too. The issue is PAPERWORK and DC's strict requirement of enrolling and proving residency each year. The only grades that are truly under-enrolled are pre-school and pre-K. The city does need to address this, especially for at-risk kids.

Nobody cares about the paperwork (and we know DC doesn't lift a finger to try to prove residency). The issue is the number of kids logging into class. Last year there were 99,000 students in the system. According to the story, only 77,000 have actually logged in at least once. That's 20,000 who have never logged in -- not once. How many thousands more have only logged in once or twice?

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a diverse Capitol Hill DCPS and there are 2 kids who haven't shown up for K once. They're on the teacher's schedule for testing (no idea if they showed up to that) so I don't think they've officially switched to a different school or anything, but they have literally never logged in for class AFAIK. A handful of other kids are rarely there. I don't know the situations of these kids, so it could be a mix of falling through the cracks entirely and hyper-involved homeschooling parents who are giving their kids a much better education. I worry a lot for the kids though and also for what classes are going to be like when kids do get back. There's always a range of abilities, but if they keep with the normal social promotion policy, it is going to be *insane* next year.

DCUM "sky is falling" crowd needs to pick a side. Either the kids not showing up are emblematic of school system shedding students or the DL environment is such a drain on parents hat kids should not be required to attend. Unless the idea is that UMC parents should be able to opt out because their kids are disturbing their WFH schedules but poor kids should not be given that option.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a diverse Capitol Hill DCPS and there are 2 kids who haven't shown up for K once. They're on the teacher's schedule for testing (no idea if they showed up to that) so I don't think they've officially switched to a different school or anything, but they have literally never logged in for class AFAIK. A handful of other kids are rarely there. I don't know the situations of these kids, so it could be a mix of falling through the cracks entirely and hyper-involved homeschooling parents who are giving their kids a much better education. I worry a lot for the kids though and also for what classes are going to be like when kids do get back. There's always a range of abilities, but if they keep with the normal social promotion policy, it is going to be *insane* next year.

DCUM "sky is falling" crowd needs to pick a side. Either the kids not showing up are emblematic of school system shedding students or the DL environment is such a drain on parents hat kids should not be required to attend. Unless the idea is that UMC parents should be able to opt out because their kids are disturbing their WFH schedules but poor kids should not be given that option.

What exactly are you responding to? PP said that kids were missing, but she didn't know why. Either way, missing kids isn't great. Obviously missing kids who have really fallen through the cracks/aren't getting any education/social services now are at more risk than UMC kids whose parents are trying a different approach. That doesn't mean all of those kids shouldn't be in school (or formally being homeschooled so that normal oversight applies). One doesn't need to "pick a side" re: which kids are missing. Presumably it's both. PP said they didn't know the circumstances of the kids missing from her kid's school. What's the issue?

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Anonymous wrote:I really think most of this is all the shuffling around going on. Kids moving in with grandparents, enrolling or unenrolling at private schools, kindergartners being pulled to redshirt or attend an in person day care etc.

Let's see how things look in October before panicking.

moving in with grandparents? seriously? that is totally ridiculous. it is exactly what it looks like: massive numbers of poor students dropping out of the school system altogether. it's happening in city after city. everyone should be panicking.

But it's not what Perry presents it as. I'm at a high poverty school. Our students are enrolled and attending. I know staff at other high poverty schools and their students are there too. The issue is PAPERWORK and DC's strict requirement of enrolling and proving residency each year. The only grades that are truly under-enrolled are pre-school and pre-K. The city does need to address this, especially for at-risk kids.

Nobody cares about the paperwork (and we know DC doesn't lift a finger to try to prove residency). The issue is the number of kids logging into class. Last year there were 99,000 students in the system. According to the story, only 77,000 have actually logged in at least once. That's 20,000 who have never logged in -- not once. How many thousands more have only logged in once or twice?

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Perry's numbers are based on the paperwork -- the number of students who started enrollment but haven't completed it. Sure DC should have done more to get kids in but there is a difference between paperwork and kids who are missing. Even Perry acknowledges this in her more recent tweets. As of today, the number "missing" is much much smaller than the original articles.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really think most of this is all the shuffling around going on. Kids moving in with grandparents, enrolling or unenrolling at private schools, kindergartners being pulled to redshirt or attend an in person day care etc.

Let's see how things look in October before panicking.

moving in with grandparents? seriously? that is totally ridiculous. it is exactly what it looks like: massive numbers of poor students dropping out of the school system altogether. it's happening in city after city. everyone should be panicking.

But it's not what Perry presents it as. I'm at a high poverty school. Our students are enrolled and attending. I know staff at other high poverty schools and their students are there too. The issue is PAPERWORK and DC's strict requirement of enrolling and proving residency each year. The only grades that are truly under-enrolled are pre-school and pre-K. The city does need to address this, especially for at-risk kids.

Nobody cares about the paperwork (and we know DC doesn't lift a finger to try to prove residency). The issue is the number of kids logging into class. Last year there were 99,000 students in the system. According to the story, only 77,000 have actually logged in at least once. That's 20,000 who have never logged in -- not once. How many thousands more have only logged in once or twice?

You aren't making sense. The argument being put forth is that the submission of paperwork that is frequently done in person has not been done in a virtual environment, but that it is wrong to correlate failure to complete paperwork with people leaving the system. You've introduced a nonsense statement about "nobody caring" followed by a non sequitur about residency verification. This has nothing to do with verification. This is about submission of enrollment paperwork.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a diverse Capitol Hill DCPS and there are 2 kids who haven't shown up for K once. They're on the teacher's schedule for testing (no idea if they showed up to that) so I don't think they've officially switched to a different school or anything, but they have literally never logged in for class AFAIK. A handful of other kids are rarely there. I don't know the situations of these kids, so it could be a mix of falling through the cracks entirely and hyper-involved homeschooling parents who are giving their kids a much better education. I worry a lot for the kids though and also for what classes are going to be like when kids do get back. There's always a range of abilities, but if they keep with the normal social promotion policy, it is going to be *insane* next year.

Maury isn’t diverse

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a diverse Capitol Hill DCPS and there are 2 kids who haven't shown up for K once. They're on the teacher's schedule for testing (no idea if they showed up to that) so I don't think they've officially switched to a different school or anything, but they have literally never logged in for class AFAIK. A handful of other kids are rarely there. I don't know the situations of these kids, so it could be a mix of falling through the cracks entirely and hyper-involved homeschooling parents who are giving their kids a much better education. I worry a lot for the kids though and also for what classes are going to be like when kids do get back. There's always a range of abilities, but if they keep with the normal social promotion policy, it is going to be *insane* next year.

Maury isn’t diverse

Haha, 100% it’s not diverse at all.