Biden's VP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Biden will pick anyone else who ran during the primary. People tend to have very strong feelings about candidates other than their own, and if he picks one of the former candidates, that might alienate the supporters of another candidate viewed as that person’s primary rival/obstacle (e.g., Buttigieg vs Klobuchar). Better to pick someone completely outside the process who isn’t tainted by it.

That's just such a stupid statement. Biden ran against Obama...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Biden will pick anyone else who ran during the primary. People tend to have very strong feelings about candidates other than their own, and if he picks one of the former candidates, that might alienate the supporters of another candidate viewed as that person’s primary rival/obstacle (e.g., Buttigieg vs Klobuchar). Better to pick someone completely outside the process who isn’t tainted by it.

That's just such a stupid statement. Biden ran against Obama...

And withdrew before primary voting started, so wasn’t viewed as having hurt another candidate in the primaries themselves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Biden will pick anyone else who ran during the primary. People tend to have very strong feelings about candidates other than their own, and if he picks one of the former candidates, that might alienate the supporters of another candidate viewed as that person’s primary rival/obstacle (e.g., Buttigieg vs Klobuchar). Better to pick someone completely outside the process who isn’t tainted by it.

That's just such a stupid statement. Biden ran against Obama...

It’s not entirely stupid. Harris’ lengthy, virulent, and personal attack on Biden over busing torpedoed any chance of her being considered as a running mate.

[Anonymous]

Bernie would pick Nina Turner, there is already a petition to draft her, horrible human being that she is. Hope I never see this happen.

Biden would pick Kamala. He will play to the identity politics to his last breath, because that's what the DNC and the "liberal" media expect.

All this primary has proven is that, unless you have been decades in Washington, have run for president before and have a machinery at your disposal (or have been running for president for the last 5 years), or have immense personal fortune, you are DOA. See Buttigieg, Pete; Booker, Cory; Harris, Kamala, etc.

I am very close to indulging my personal privilege and staying home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Biden will pick anyone else who ran during the primary. People tend to have very strong feelings about candidates other than their own, and if he picks one of the former candidates, that might alienate the supporters of another candidate viewed as that person’s primary rival/obstacle (e.g., Buttigieg vs Klobuchar). Better to pick someone completely outside the process who isn’t tainted by it.

That's just such a stupid statement. Biden ran against Obama...

It’s not entirely stupid. Harris’ lengthy, virulent, and personal attack on Biden over busing torpedoed any chance of her being considered as a running mate.

I don't think Biden will pick Harris. That doesn't mean he wouldn't pick anyone who ran and dropped out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bernie would pick Nina Turner, there is already a petition to draft her, horrible human being that she is. Hope I never see this happen.

Biden would pick Kamala. He will play to the identity politics to his last breath, because that's what the DNC and the "liberal" media expect.

All this primary has proven is that, unless you have been decades in Washington, have run for president before and have a machinery at your disposal (or have been running for president for the last 5 years), or have immense personal fortune, you are DOA. See Buttigieg, Pete; Booker, Cory; Harris, Kamala, etc.

I am very close to indulging my personal privilege and staying home.

In other words, go Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bernie would pick Nina Turner, there is already a petition to draft her, horrible human being that she is. Hope I never see this happen.

Biden would pick Kamala. He will play to the identity politics to his last breath, because that's what the DNC and the "liberal" media expect.

All this primary has proven is that, unless you have been decades in Washington, have run for president before and have a machinery at your disposal (or have been running for president for the last 5 years), or have immense personal fortune, you are DOA. See Buttigieg, Pete; Booker, Cory; Harris, Kamala, etc.

I am very close to indulging my personal privilege and staying home.

In other words, go Trump.

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This is goal #1 in the Trump/Putin playbook. Keep the Dems fractured and dismayed, so they don’t go to the polls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bernie would pick Nina Turner, there is already a petition to draft her, horrible human being that she is. Hope I never see this happen.

Biden would pick Kamala. He will play to the identity politics to his last breath, because that's what the DNC and the "liberal" media expect.

All this primary has proven is that, unless you have been decades in Washington, have run for president before and have a machinery at your disposal (or have been running for president for the last 5 years), or have immense personal fortune, you are DOA. See Buttigieg, Pete; Booker, Cory; Harris, Kamala, etc.

I am very close to indulging my personal privilege and staying home.

There's another way to look at this if you're open to not being completely cynical. Politics is about relationships. No one can accomplish anything wholly on their own. So when people in politics are deciding who to support for an office like President, they're not just looking at the person's positions, they're also considering things like whether they've successfully worked with that person before, can they trust that person to keep their word, does that person have other strong relationships that will be needed to get legislation passed, etc. Voters do something similar -- does this person have a track record of supporting legislation I agree with? Do they have good relationships (including as measured by endorsements) with people I trust and respect?

When you look at it through that lens, it makes sense that long-term, more established candidates will have an advantage in things like a primary race. It also explains why Sanders has had a hard time gaining traction with the party. He's caucused with them for years, but he's never been someone they could trust. His supporters like to point to the number of legislative amendments he's secured over the years as evidence of his effectiveness, but the flip side is that on just about every major initiative, Democrats couldn't trust Bernie to work with him because the legislation was good, they knew he was always going to be looking out for his own pet interest above all else, and they weren't going to get him on board unless he got it. So naturally, they're skeptical now about how a President Sanders would govern. Would he be willing to work with Democrats to advanced major party positions if they're not his personal interests? Probably not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Biden will pick anyone else who ran during the primary. People tend to have very strong feelings about candidates other than their own, and if he picks one of the former candidates, that might alienate the supporters of another candidate viewed as that person’s primary rival/obstacle (e.g., Buttigieg vs Klobuchar). Better to pick someone completely outside the process who isn’t tainted by it.

That's just such a stupid statement. Biden ran against Obama...

It’s not entirely stupid. Harris’ lengthy, virulent, and personal attack on Biden over busing torpedoed any chance of her being considered as a running mate.

Biden said he would consider her and the above will be nothing more than a Republican talking point. And Biden does well with black voters. They can easily craft some message about unity and moving forward.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Biden will pick anyone else who ran during the primary. People tend to have very strong feelings about candidates other than their own, and if he picks one of the former candidates, that might alienate the supporters of another candidate viewed as that person’s primary rival/obstacle (e.g., Buttigieg vs Klobuchar). Better to pick someone completely outside the process who isn’t tainted by it.

That's just such a stupid statement. Biden ran against Obama...

It’s not entirely stupid. Harris’ lengthy, virulent, and personal attack on Biden over busing torpedoed any chance of her being considered as a running mate.

Biden said he would consider her and the above will be nothing more than a Republican talking point. And Biden does well with black voters. They can easily craft some message about unity and moving forward.

Harris adds nothing to a Biden ticket.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm thinking it's Liz Warren. She can pull some of that Bernie energy (and a portion of his supporters) into the general election. The GOP has already dumped everything they have on Joe and Liz, so there's no other skeletons in the closet.

She's been a great campaigner and has a sharp tongue. She will do well in the debates and on the campaign trail. I've been impressed with her ability to parry attacks and effectively communicate in a simple manner her views.

Joe needs to harness the energy from the left. I think Liz Warren fills that niche. Further, I know SO MANY WOMEN who just desperately want to see a woman in the WH. VP ain't nothing to shrug at and, given Joe's health, we may very well see a VP ascend to the Oval Office next term.

I love this argument. Sanders is a year older and has recently had a heart attack. Sanders is out of shape and unfit and basically running on fumes physically. Biden is a former athlete who is still in good shape for his age. The same cannot be said of Sanders.

I love Joe, but he is old and not as mentally sharp as in previous years. He needs someone who is razor sharp to be the VP and get sh#t done. I can see Warren be masterful at this job. I agree with one of the previous posters who said it would be similar to the Bush-Cheney Presidency.

Warren does a lot to consolidate the woman electorate and the left'ish elements of the Democratic Party. Biden appeals to a lot of the centrist Democrats (70%+ of the party) and disaffected Never Trumpers and RINOs.

I don't think it's necessary to nominate a person-of-color VP in this election. Trump is hated that much by 55% of the electorate.

I couldn't disagree with this more. Hillary would have won if she had been able to engender turnout in swing state urban areas. Those voters are still there and the Dems will need someone to get them excited to vote.

I really don't believe black voters are going to turn out in record, Obama-level numbers simply because an old white guy frontrunner picks a black lady (or man). None of the names being bandied about for VP have Obama's charisma or appeal. The only person who could replicated Obama's turnout is Michelle Obama. And, frankly, it's sort of condescending that we assume a person of color VP will drive people of color to the polls. They got to bring something special to the ticket, other than just ethic background or skin tone.

I also strongly believe that Trump is so repellent to people of color that he himself is a major motivator for those POC Americans to get to the polls and vote AGAINST him. "Vote Anyone Who Is Blue" is a legit phenomenon this cycle.

Totally agree -- I can't imagine the pressure being put on Michelle right now to accept the VP role -- even if she decides to resign the day after inauguration. She would guarantee a massive, historic, monumental landslide, which is exactyl what we need to ensure Trump doesn't decide to contest the election results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bernie would pick Nina Turner, there is already a petition to draft her, horrible human being that she is. Hope I never see this happen.

Biden would pick Kamala. He will play to the identity politics to his last breath, because that's what the DNC and the "liberal" media expect.

All this primary has proven is that, unless you have been decades in Washington, have run for president before and have a machinery at your disposal (or have been running for president for the last 5 years), or have immense personal fortune, you are DOA. See Buttigieg, Pete; Booker, Cory; Harris, Kamala, etc.

I am very close to indulging my personal privilege and staying home.

Even I don't think Bernie is that stupid. No one other than Bernie bros and a few people in Ohio have ever even heard of Nina Turner. The Dem VP pick has to at least be on the same level as Mike Pence - and yeah, I know, I know. But Mike Pence was the governor of Indiana and was in the House. This is a race of old men now. Very old men. The electorate needs to be assured that the VP could step up and do the job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm thinking it's Liz Warren. She can pull some of that Bernie energy (and a portion of his supporters) into the general election. The GOP has already dumped everything they have on Joe and Liz, so there's no other skeletons in the closet.

She's been a great campaigner and has a sharp tongue. She will do well in the debates and on the campaign trail. I've been impressed with her ability to parry attacks and effectively communicate in a simple manner her views.

Joe needs to harness the energy from the left. I think Liz Warren fills that niche. Further, I know SO MANY WOMEN who just desperately want to see a woman in the WH. VP ain't nothing to shrug at and, given Joe's health, we may very well see a VP ascend to the Oval Office next term.

I love this argument. Sanders is a year older and has recently had a heart attack. Sanders is out of shape and unfit and basically running on fumes physically. Biden is a former athlete who is still in good shape for his age. The same cannot be said of Sanders.

I love Joe, but he is old and not as mentally sharp as in previous years. He needs someone who is razor sharp to be the VP and get sh#t done. I can see Warren be masterful at this job. I agree with one of the previous posters who said it would be similar to the Bush-Cheney Presidency.

Warren does a lot to consolidate the woman electorate and the left'ish elements of the Democratic Party. Biden appeals to a lot of the centrist Democrats (70%+ of the party) and disaffected Never Trumpers and RINOs.

I don't think it's necessary to nominate a person-of-color VP in this election. Trump is hated that much by 55% of the electorate.

I couldn't disagree with this more. Hillary would have won if she had been able to engender turnout in swing state urban areas. Those voters are still there and the Dems will need someone to get them excited to vote.

I really don't believe black voters are going to turn out in record, Obama-level numbers simply because an old white guy frontrunner picks a black lady (or man). None of the names being bandied about for VP have Obama's charisma or appeal. The only person who could replicated Obama's turnout is Michelle Obama. And, frankly, it's sort of condescending that we assume a person of color VP will drive people of color to the polls. They got to bring something special to the ticket, other than just ethic background or skin tone.

I also strongly believe that Trump is so repellent to people of color that he himself is a major motivator for those POC Americans to get to the polls and vote AGAINST him. "Vote Anyone Who Is Blue" is a legit phenomenon this cycle.

Totally agree -- I can't imagine the pressure being put on Michelle right now to accept the VP role -- even if she decides to resign the day after inauguration. She would guarantee a massive, historic, monumental landslide, which is exactyl what we need to ensure Trump doesn't decide to contest the election results.

I admire your passion, but don’t agree with your assessment one bit. Michelle Obama has never been a candidate for any office before; we have no idea how the electorate would respond to her. Furthermore, both the country and Democratic Party are in a very different place than they were only 8 years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm thinking it's Liz Warren. She can pull some of that Bernie energy (and a portion of his supporters) into the general election. The GOP has already dumped everything they have on Joe and Liz, so there's no other skeletons in the closet.

She's been a great campaigner and has a sharp tongue. She will do well in the debates and on the campaign trail. I've been impressed with her ability to parry attacks and effectively communicate in a simple manner her views.

Joe needs to harness the energy from the left. I think Liz Warren fills that niche. Further, I know SO MANY WOMEN who just desperately want to see a woman in the WH. VP ain't nothing to shrug at and, given Joe's health, we may very well see a VP ascend to the Oval Office next term.

I love this argument. Sanders is a year older and has recently had a heart attack. Sanders is out of shape and unfit and basically running on fumes physically. Biden is a former athlete who is still in good shape for his age. The same cannot be said of Sanders.

I love Joe, but he is old and not as mentally sharp as in previous years. He needs someone who is razor sharp to be the VP and get sh#t done. I can see Warren be masterful at this job. I agree with one of the previous posters who said it would be similar to the Bush-Cheney Presidency.

Warren does a lot to consolidate the woman electorate and the left'ish elements of the Democratic Party. Biden appeals to a lot of the centrist Democrats (70%+ of the party) and disaffected Never Trumpers and RINOs.

I don't think it's necessary to nominate a person-of-color VP in this election. Trump is hated that much by 55% of the electorate.

I couldn't disagree with this more. Hillary would have won if she had been able to engender turnout in swing state urban areas. Those voters are still there and the Dems will need someone to get them excited to vote.

I really don't believe black voters are going to turn out in record, Obama-level numbers simply because an old white guy frontrunner picks a black lady (or man). None of the names being bandied about for VP have Obama's charisma or appeal. The only person who could replicated Obama's turnout is Michelle Obama. And, frankly, it's sort of condescending that we assume a person of color VP will drive people of color to the polls. They got to bring something special to the ticket, other than just ethic background or skin tone.

I also strongly believe that Trump is so repellent to people of color that he himself is a major motivator for those POC Americans to get to the polls and vote AGAINST him. "Vote Anyone Who Is Blue" is a legit phenomenon this cycle.

Totally agree -- I can't imagine the pressure being put on Michelle right now to accept the VP role -- even if she decides to resign the day after inauguration. She would guarantee a massive, historic, monumental landslide, which is exactyl what we need to ensure Trump doesn't decide to contest the election results.

I suspect you are 100% wrong about this. Michelle Obama has been very explicit that she has no interest in running for office. If anything, I suspect party leadership knows that any pressure on Michelle is more likely to alienate both Obamas than anything else, and they will need as much campaign support as the Obamas are willing to give during the general election.

Also, while Michelle Obama is very popular, the rest of the country doesn't really share this weird obsession with her running for office.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bernie would pick Nina Turner, there is already a petition to draft her, horrible human being that she is. Hope I never see this happen.

Biden would pick Kamala. He will play to the identity politics to his last breath, because that's what the DNC and the "liberal" media expect.

All this primary has proven is that, unless you have been decades in Washington, have run for president before and have a machinery at your disposal (or have been running for president for the last 5 years), or have immense personal fortune, you are DOA. See Buttigieg, Pete; Booker, Cory; Harris, Kamala, etc.

I am very close to indulging my personal privilege and staying home.

There's another way to look at this if you're open to not being completely cynical. Politics is about relationships. No one can accomplish anything wholly on their own. So when people in politics are deciding who to support for an office like President, they're not just looking at the person's positions, they're also considering things like whether they've successfully worked with that person before, can they trust that person to keep their word, does that person have other strong relationships that will be needed to get legislation passed, etc. Voters do something similar -- does this person have a track record of supporting legislation I agree with? Do they have good relationships (including as measured by endorsements) with people I trust and respect?

When you look at it through that lens, it makes sense that long-term, more established candidates will have an advantage in things like a primary race. It also explains why Sanders has had a hard time gaining traction with the party. He's caucused with them for years, but he's never been someone they could trust. His supporters like to point to the number of legislative amendments he's secured over the years as evidence of his effectiveness, but the flip side is that on just about every major initiative, Democrats couldn't trust Bernie to work with him because the legislation was good, they knew he was always going to be looking out for his own pet interest above all else, and they weren't going to get him on board unless he got it. So naturally, they're skeptical now about how a President Sanders would govern. Would he be willing to work with Democrats to advanced major party positions if they're not his personal interests? Probably not.

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