Guests in the condo pool. Call the police?

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing that matters is what the HOA rules are. If you see someone breaking the rules, bring it to the attention of the HOA board for them to deal with it as a civil matter. Calling the cops because there were too many children eating hamburgers in a park is ridiculous. As is the wasting of tax dollars for 3 cops to sand around watching people eating hamburgers in a park.

Deal with it on the next business day or at least have a copy of the actual rules with you so you don't waste everyone's time if you want to deal with it.

You keep saying "park." It wasn't a park. It was private property of the condo association.

It is all the same. It is private outdoor space. If someone is using private park space in a way you don't think they should - you need to have the actual rules handy - not a general sense of being wronged but you aren't sure if you are or not. Lots of condos allow guests. Many condos also allow owners to have parties on the premises. If you know for sure yours does not then call bylaw - not the police. It isn't a crime that your neighbors brought 5 friends instead of 4. And take it up with the HOA.

Stop calling the cops. It wastes their time and it is pointless.

So if this takes place on a weekend, and the person contacts their HOA that someone had 30 people at the condo pool...what exactly can the condo do after the fact on Monday morning? Nothing.

In the meantime, the condo owner who pays their fees each month has to deal with not being able to use the pool they pay for because someone else is being a terrible person and breaking the rules (excuse me--"going about their daily life", as certain people do, according to a pp.)

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Anonymous wrote:hmmmmm. I have access to inside info. Police were called because 30 people were trespassing....bit different from 6 little kids. Guests left before mgmt got there. So who knows if these pics even match what shes talking about. Its BS

Here is where it said there were actually 30 people at the party.

Because some random on the Internet said it?
You cannot be that stupid???

Its more believable than a pack of sweet innocent kids (without any adults present) were doing absolutely nothing wrong! Notice how the photo she posted showed NO adults?

Obviously there were adults present. The owners were there. There were adults in the video. At birthday parties we often take groups pics of the children attending. That doesn’t mean there are no adults on site. Why are you being willfully obtuse?

There were 10-12 kids in the picture I think. There were probably a few more younger or other ones not in the picture. Plus, each child probably had 1-2 parents. So, that was probably a 30 person party. They were very careful to pick and choose what they recorded and what they posted on social media. What happened before, what happened after and how did no one know the rules?

This. Let’s stop pretending this group “did nothing wrong.” Even if the caller was racist, nobody thinks this.

The children invited to the party absolutely did nothing wrong. "The group" did nothing wrong. They were invited guests.

How do you know? What if they were playing music? What if they had food outside the eating area? What if they were roughhousing? Any of things (and more) can get you asked to leave our pool.

None of those things are a police matter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing that matters is what the HOA rules are. If you see someone breaking the rules, bring it to the attention of the HOA board for them to deal with it as a civil matter. Calling the cops because there were too many children eating hamburgers in a park is ridiculous. As is the wasting of tax dollars for 3 cops to sand around watching people eating hamburgers in a park.

Deal with it on the next business day or at least have a copy of the actual rules with you so you don't waste everyone's time if you want to deal with it.

You keep saying "park." It wasn't a park. It was private property of the condo association.

It is all the same. It is private outdoor space. If someone is using private park space in a way you don't think they should - you need to have the actual rules handy - not a general sense of being wronged but you aren't sure if you are or not. Lots of condos allow guests. Many condos also allow owners to have parties on the premises. If you know for sure yours does not then call bylaw - not the police. It isn't a crime that your neighbors brought 5 friends instead of 4. And take it up with the HOA.

Stop calling the cops. It wastes their time and it is pointless.

So if this takes place on a weekend, and the person contacts their HOA that someone had 30 people at the condo pool...what exactly can the condo do after the fact on Monday morning? Nothing.

In the meantime, the condo owner who pays their fees each month has to deal with not being able to use the pool they pay for because someone else is being a terrible person and breaking the rules (excuse me--"going about their daily life", as certain people do, according to a pp.)

On Monday the HOA would follow what ever procedure is in place to deal with too many guests.

At our condo they get a letter saying they broke a rule and will be fined if they do it again.

[Anonymous]

We rent, and at our pool, tenants have to buy guest passes for each non-tenant using the pool, and the number of those guests are limited to 2 per unit at a time.
Lifeguards are tasked with enforcing this rule.
I do think calling the cops is an overkill, but I can totally see why other pool patrons were less than happy with this huge group using the pool without proper authorization.

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Anonymous wrote:We rent, and at our pool, tenants have to buy guest passes for each non-tenant using the pool, and the number of those guests are limited to 2 per unit at a time.
Lifeguards are tasked with enforcing this rule.
I do think calling the cops is an overkill, but I can totally see why other pool patrons were less than happy with this huge group using the pool without proper authorization.

So can any other rational person.

[Anonymous]

White people calling 911 like it’s their private customer service.

[Anonymous]

Our lifeguard fell asleep yesterday watching my kids for at least 25 min
That’s just sooo messed up
I hesitated on telling told our condo board director

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing that matters is what the HOA rules are. If you see someone breaking the rules, bring it to the attention of the HOA board for them to deal with it as a civil matter. Calling the cops because there were too many children eating hamburgers in a park is ridiculous. As is the wasting of tax dollars for 3 cops to sand around watching people eating hamburgers in a park.

Deal with it on the next business day or at least have a copy of the actual rules with you so you don't waste everyone's time if you want to deal with it.

You keep saying "park." It wasn't a park. It was private property of the condo association.

It is all the same. It is private outdoor space. If someone is using private park space in a way you don't think they should - you need to have the actual rules handy - not a general sense of being wronged but you aren't sure if you are or not. Lots of condos allow guests. Many condos also allow owners to have parties on the premises. If you know for sure yours does not then call bylaw - not the police. It isn't a crime that your neighbors brought 5 friends instead of 4. And take it up with the HOA.

Stop calling the cops. It wastes their time and it is pointless.

So if this takes place on a weekend, and the person contacts their HOA that someone had 30 people at the condo pool...what exactly can the condo do after the fact on Monday morning? Nothing.

In the meantime, the condo owner who pays their fees each month has to deal with not being able to use the pool they pay for because someone else is being a terrible person and breaking the rules (excuse me--"going about their daily life", as certain people do, according to a pp.)

Using the police to manage HOA rules is ridiculous. Someone has an extra plant on their balcony or paints their door and you call the police? If it is an HOA issue, tell the HOA, they will have a way of fining / punishing people who don't follow the HOA rules. Don't use the police to manage things that aren't a crime or safety issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only thing that matters is what the HOA rules are. If you see someone breaking the rules, bring it to the attention of the HOA board for them to deal with it as a civil matter. Calling the cops because there were too many children eating hamburgers in a park is ridiculous. As is the wasting of tax dollars for 3 cops to sand around watching people eating hamburgers in a park.

Deal with it on the next business day or at least have a copy of the actual rules with you so you don't waste everyone's time if you want to deal with it.

You keep saying "park." It wasn't a park. It was private property of the condo association.

It is all the same. It is private outdoor space. If someone is using private park space in a way you don't think they should - you need to have the actual rules handy - not a general sense of being wronged but you aren't sure if you are or not. Lots of condos allow guests. Many condos also allow owners to have parties on the premises. If you know for sure yours does not then call bylaw - not the police. It isn't a crime that your neighbors brought 5 friends instead of 4. And take it up with the HOA.

Stop calling the cops. It wastes their time and it is pointless.

So if this takes place on a weekend, and the person contacts their HOA that someone had 30 people at the condo pool...what exactly can the condo do after the fact on Monday morning? Nothing.

In the meantime, the condo owner who pays their fees each month has to deal with not being able to use the pool they pay for because someone else is being a terrible person and breaking the rules (excuse me--"going about their daily life", as certain people do, according to a pp.)

Using the police to manage HOA rules is ridiculous. Someone has an extra plant on their balcony or paints their door and you call the police? If it is an HOA issue, tell the HOA, they will have a way of fining / punishing people who don't follow the HOA rules. Don't use the police to manage things that aren't a crime or safety issue.

How is having a crowd of 30 strangers (friends of friends in this case?) with 10-15 in a private pool area not a safety issue?? I am not a lawyer, but what would happen if one of the kids drowned or jumped in the pool and hurt themselves? I expect the condo association would be sued...

[Anonymous]

^with 10-15 kids

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Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

[Anonymous]

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How is having a crowd of 30 strangers (friends of friends in this case?) with 10-15 in a private pool area not a safety issue?? I am not a lawyer, but what would happen if one of the kids drowned or jumped in the pool and hurt themselves? I expect the condo association would be sued...

I would think the lack of a lifeguard would be a bigger issue in terms of liability than the overcrowding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

+1,000. It is profoundly chilling to read that many of you think otherwise. The HOA should be the enforcer of its rules here, not the police. No wonder we have so many incidents where the police have been called to settle a civil or private dispute. Time for a refresher on governance for you!

[Anonymous]

She was HOA and asked the family to stop the party. They refused. So, yes, next step is the police. We don't know the background to any of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up