Guests in the condo pool. Call the police?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone confirm if the poster acted within the condo policy?

No one seems to have the condo's bylaws. Not the caller, not the owners/hosts, no one.

I can confirm that this is not a police matter, this is a civil matter.

Trespassing is most definitely a police matter.

It's not trespassing.

Not a great grasp of law on this thread. Trespassing is using/ or being on someone else property with their permission. Having a pool party without permission is trespassing. What’s so hard to understand about this ?

In MD property owned by an HOA is required to have "no trespassing signs". Also, they can have the signs and a guest can invite you in, which negates the trespassing law.

If an owner invites a guest into a private area that they are not allowed to enter due to HOA bylaws, the guests are not at fault, the homeowner is in violation of HOA bylaws not Maryland trespassing laws.

Maryland owner with a community pool here. Signs are posted. The signs give the mangers of pool who are representative of the HOA and the owners the right to restrict use and ask people to leave the pool area for non compliance of pool rules as stated by the pool management/ workers. They have an absolute right to ask people to leave at their discretion and to call police if necessary for non compliance. People break in / use pools without permission all the time. The HOA has rights and they represent the tenants/ owners not the guests.

You do not have rights over another owner. You can't ask somebody with another owner to leave.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone confirm if the poster acted within the condo policy?

No one seems to have the condo's bylaws. Not the caller, not the owners/hosts, no one.

I can confirm that this is not a police matter, this is a civil matter.

Trespassing is most definitely a police matter.

Bylaws are from wall to wall. Our bylaws encourage trespassing and allow it.The only way for you to stop somebody coming to your door is to contact the police or go to court.

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Anonymous wrote:We've lived in a condo, and the pool guest rules, while I don't recall them exactly, were extremely strict. There would have been no way to have over 10 guests over (how many people total??). This is not a minor matter - what if a kid drowns or gets hurt? We could reserve a room (not the pool) for a party, but the hourly rate was very high.

My condo doesn't have these rules. So, it really depends on the condo and I find the whole "well, these are the rules" defenses to be ridiculous.

It is very, very dangerous for police to be called on black people who are just going about their lives. I have yet to see any real confirmation about the rules, and I think it is telling and crazy and awful how much people will justify this terrible choice this woman made or in the alternative diminish, mock or ignore the valid, concerning fear these poor people were put in for just having a nice time at the pool.

But go on. This thread will probably have 100's of posts fighting and defending this woman before it dies a slow death and yet another racist story occurs. The racist will get busy defending that one then. Seen it for years on DCUM.

So, if a person is white or asian its ok to call the police on them if they are doing the wrong thing but if someone is of color then you cannot call just based on their skin color. That is a really racist thing to say and creates the racial tensions as well.

Here is your wrong assumption -- there's no proof that these people were DOING ANYTHING WRONG. There is a lot of speculation, a lot of justification, a lot of people hanging on to anything except to admit that these poor people were put in a life threatening situation because they "looked" wrong. Well...hmm. Looked. Black?

If you see an actual crime, particularly when someone is in danger call away. But to call the police on people just living their lives when the evidence shows that they can be murdered by the police and blamed for their own deaths is just a facade for bigotry.

But go ahead. I'm sure we can banter about this thread until the next police shooting or other crazy, racist attempt to get the police to murder black people for just living their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:We've lived in a condo, and the pool guest rules, while I don't recall them exactly, were extremely strict. There would have been no way to have over 10 guests over (how many people total??). This is not a minor matter - what if a kid drowns or gets hurt? We could reserve a room (not the pool) for a party, but the hourly rate was very high.

My condo doesn't have these rules. So, it really depends on the condo and I find the whole "well, these are the rules" defenses to be ridiculous.

It is very, very dangerous for police to be called on black people who are just going about their lives. I have yet to see any real confirmation about the rules, and I think it is telling and crazy and awful how much people will justify this terrible choice this woman made or in the alternative diminish, mock or ignore the valid, concerning fear these poor people were put in for just having a nice time at the pool.

But go on. This thread will probably have 100's of posts fighting and defending this woman before it dies a slow death and yet another racist story occurs. The racist will get busy defending that one then. Seen it for years on DCUM.

So, if a person is white or asian its ok to call the police on them if they are doing the wrong thing but if someone is of color then you cannot call just based on their skin color. That is a really racist thing to say and creates the racial tensions as well.

Ignore the crazies.

Just call the cops when you need them -- that's why we pay them.

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Anonymous wrote:hmmmmm. I have access to inside info. Police were called because 30 people were trespassing....bit different from 6 little kids. Guests left before mgmt got there. So who knows if these pics even match what shes talking about. Its BS

Here is where it said there were actually 30 people at the party.

Because some random on the Internet said it?
You cannot be that stupid???

Its more believable than a pack of sweet innocent kids (without any adults present) were doing absolutely nothing wrong! Notice how the photo she posted showed NO adults?

Obviously there were adults present. The owners were there. There were adults in the video. At birthday parties we often take groups pics of the children attending. That doesn’t mean there are no adults on site. Why are you being willfully obtuse?

There were 10-12 kids in the picture I think. There were probably a few more younger or other ones not in the picture. Plus, each child probably had 1-2 parents. So, that was probably a 30 person party. They were very careful to pick and choose what they recorded and what they posted on social media. What happened before, what happened after and how did no one know the rules?

This. Let’s stop pretending this group “did nothing wrong.” Even if the caller was racist, nobody thinks this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone confirm if the poster acted within the condo policy?

No one seems to have the condo's bylaws. Not the caller, not the owners/hosts, no one.

I can confirm that this is not a police matter, this is a civil matter.

Trespassing is most definitely a police matter.

Bylaws are from wall to wall. Our bylaws encourage trespassing and allow it.The only way for you to stop somebody coming to your door is to contact the police or go to court.

If an owner invites somebody onto common area, it is not a police matter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:hmmmmm. I have access to inside info. Police were called because 30 people were trespassing....bit different from 6 little kids. Guests left before mgmt got there. So who knows if these pics even match what shes talking about. Its BS

Here is where it said there were actually 30 people at the party.

Because some random on the Internet said it?
You cannot be that stupid???

Its more believable than a pack of sweet innocent kids (without any adults present) were doing absolutely nothing wrong! Notice how the photo she posted showed NO adults?

Obviously there were adults present. The owners were there. There were adults in the video. At birthday parties we often take groups pics of the children attending. That doesn’t mean there are no adults on site. Why are you being willfully obtuse?

There were 10-12 kids in the picture I think. There were probably a few more younger or other ones not in the picture. Plus, each child probably had 1-2 parents. So, that was probably a 30 person party. They were very careful to pick and choose what they recorded and what they posted on social media. What happened before, what happened after and how did no one know the rules?

This. Let’s stop pretending this group “did nothing wrong.” Even if the caller was racist, nobody thinks this.

The children invited to the party absolutely did nothing wrong. "The group" did nothing wrong. They were invited guests.

[Anonymous]

I won't read the whole thread but when I lived in a condo we were capped to two guests at a time for the pool and more needed preapproval. I'm sure there were flexibility if you showed up with three friends but I remember reading the rules and figuring out it was in place to make sure people didn't just turn up with a dozen friends and crowd the pool and take all the sun loungers from actual residents.

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Anonymous wrote:I won't read the whole thread but when I lived in a condo we were capped to two guests at a time for the pool and more needed preapproval. I'm sure there were flexibility if you showed up with three friends but I remember reading the rules and figuring out it was in place to make sure people didn't just turn up with a dozen friends and crowd the pool and take all the sun loungers from actual residents.

How often were the police involved when a owner invited too many guests?

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Anonymous wrote:hmmmmm. I have access to inside info. Police were called because 30 people were trespassing....bit different from 6 little kids. Guests left before mgmt got there. So who knows if these pics even match what shes talking about. Its BS

Here is where it said there were actually 30 people at the party.

Because some random on the Internet said it?
You cannot be that stupid???

Its more believable than a pack of sweet innocent kids (without any adults present) were doing absolutely nothing wrong! Notice how the photo she posted showed NO adults?

Obviously there were adults present. The owners were there. There were adults in the video. At birthday parties we often take groups pics of the children attending. That doesn’t mean there are no adults on site. Why are you being willfully obtuse?

There were 10-12 kids in the picture I think. There were probably a few more younger or other ones not in the picture. Plus, each child probably had 1-2 parents. So, that was probably a 30 person party. They were very careful to pick and choose what they recorded and what they posted on social media. What happened before, what happened after and how did no one know the rules?

This. Let’s stop pretending this group “did nothing wrong.” Even if the caller was racist, nobody thinks this.

The children invited to the party absolutely did nothing wrong. "The group" did nothing wrong. They were invited guests.

How do you know? What if they were playing music? What if they had food outside the eating area? What if they were roughhousing? Any of things (and more) can get you asked to leave our pool.

[Anonymous]

I did not read through the whole thread, but here's what's sad.

If you see someone violating some HOA rules like these, you have to tread carefully if they are people of color. If they are white, go ahead and report, and it will be a non issue. But if they are black, be prepared for being called a racist. Everyone is so ready to jump on people and call them racists. Getting tired of these stories.

[Anonymous]

The only thing that matters is what the HOA rules are. If you see someone breaking the rules, bring it to the attention of the HOA board for them to deal with it as a civil matter. Calling the cops because there were too many children eating hamburgers in a park is ridiculous. As is the wasting of tax dollars for 3 cops to sand around watching people eating hamburgers in a park.

Deal with it on the next business day or at least have a copy of the actual rules with you so you don't waste everyone's time if you want to deal with it.

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Anonymous wrote:I did not read through the whole thread, but here's what's sad.

If you see someone violating some HOA rules like these, you have to tread carefully if they are people of color. If they are white, go ahead and report, and it will be a non issue. But if they are black, be prepared for being called a racist. Everyone is so ready to jump on people and call them racists. Getting tired of these stories.

exactly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only thing that matters is what the HOA rules are. If you see someone breaking the rules, bring it to the attention of the HOA board for them to deal with it as a civil matter. Calling the cops because there were too many children eating hamburgers in a park is ridiculous. As is the wasting of tax dollars for 3 cops to sand around watching people eating hamburgers in a park.

Deal with it on the next business day or at least have a copy of the actual rules with you so you don't waste everyone's time if you want to deal with it.

You keep saying "park." It wasn't a park. It was private property of the condo association.

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing that matters is what the HOA rules are. If you see someone breaking the rules, bring it to the attention of the HOA board for them to deal with it as a civil matter. Calling the cops because there were too many children eating hamburgers in a park is ridiculous. As is the wasting of tax dollars for 3 cops to sand around watching people eating hamburgers in a park.

Deal with it on the next business day or at least have a copy of the actual rules with you so you don't waste everyone's time if you want to deal with it.

You keep saying "park." It wasn't a park. It was private property of the condo association.

It is all the same. It is private outdoor space. If someone is using private park space in a way you don't think they should - you need to have the actual rules handy - not a general sense of being wronged but you aren't sure if you are or not. Lots of condos allow guests. Many condos also allow owners to have parties on the premises. If you know for sure yours does not then call bylaw - not the police. It isn't a crime that your neighbors brought 5 friends instead of 4. And take it up with the HOA.

Stop calling the cops. It wastes their time and it is pointless.