No, women who can't orgasm easily know this about themselves and even they won't blame men for that problem. It's not me. I've had women tell me I was the first and only man to get her off by oral, for example. Not saying I'm that good, just relating that I know what I'm doing. But sometimes, a man's best isn't good enough. The previous poster claims 75% of women can't get off from PIV sex. Is that a man's fault? I'm not even saying it's her fault. Who knows why this happens. I just know what I like. Why are you so butt-hurt about it? |
From a man - different poster - it just matters. It’s deeply rooted. Retroactive jealousy? Some Darwinian response? It’s also a character thing. |
I raised my daughter to not be a liar like you. Also to try to excel in her career. For herself, not to attract guys. |
| Beauty attracts my attention. A porn star in the bedroom keeps my attention.? |
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Speaking honestly here as an attractive woman, a former model. It IS more than looks.
Looks may be the first thing that gets attention, yes, but only up to a point. I am an attractive woman. I have a nice face and a great figure. But I'm eccentric and often a bitch, being perfectly honest here. I've had zero trouble getting first and sometimes second dates, but a lot of trouble getting a guy to stick around. I'm the woman that men want to sleep with or even cheat on their significant others with, but I'm not the one they want as a long term girlfriend or wife. When I let on that I'm interested in something more than sex, the guy backs away every time. And I know full well what I need to work on and why this happens, why I attract @rseholes or why nice guys won't stay with me. I'm too self centered. I'm too weirdly into my own things. I talk too much. I'm high-strung and annoying. I'm not a "chill girl" who is easygoing and "cool with whatever." At the end of the day, I am skinny and attractive, and have no long term relationships to speak of. The girls next door, who dress casually, wear less makeup, might have a few flaws according to beauty conventions, may carry a few extra pounds - they have boyfriends, fiances, and husbands. Just the truth. |
Guy here. Agree with this. Men would probably want to hook up with this PP, but it takes more than outside looks to wife somebody up. Having said that, men (as do women) generally still have an appearance threshold in terms of settling down, which means it remains important but it also get throw in with other factors such as personality compatability, hobbies, etc. |
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Is it like every woman even cares about what men want? That seems to be the major thrust of the replies.
OK, you guys can dream on. In the end, women hold the cards. |
You were going to "lol" at this? You should not play on your mother's mobile phone while she is not using it. It is bad manners and only makes you look stupid when you post on adult sites. A case in point is that you do not know how I sound since you have only read what I have posted. Next time, try "you appear to be the kind of guy" or "you seem to be the kind of guy". Are you still in middle school? I ask because my daughter used to text with phrases such as "lol" and "omg" when she was at Longfellow. Your ability to post should get better in the next few years as you move into high school. Good luck and please give mommy back her phone now. |
Another sad female effort to tell men what they should want, and to shame them for wanting what they actually want. Have we mentioned that we don't care? You're like a 5' tall guy trying to convince women they should not be attracted to 6' tall men. It is not social. Men are hard-wired for attraction to youth and beauty. The "social" benefit is the result, not the cause - you gain status because you have acquired the biologically valuable resource. No man here is saying they tell their daughters their only value is their beauty, so get lost with that stupid straw man. |
Until the women hit age 30, and then the shoe is on the other foot. |
+1 Physical attraction is not social and is in fact universal. It is not determined by culture. The same men and women who turn heads on Constitution Avenue will turn heads walking through a Yanomamo Indian village or any place else. It's just the way it is. As a man, I've always been puzzled that women think they get to decide for us who we should be attracted to and date. Nonsense. The only woman who gets a vote is the woman I approach. The rest of you are irrelevant. |
| NP. The men responding are refreshingly accurate. I’m a woman and I try to make some of their points to other women at times when this type of discussion emerges. Men like what they like. They don’t want women that were slutty. They don’t want someone they aren’t attracted to. They don’t want someone that isn’t good in bed. They don’t want someone complicated or high-maintenance. And what each of those things look like will differ from man to man. Some get it, some don’t. But whether you understand it or not, and even with exceptions to the rule, the truth is what it is. A woman’s reasoning or challenging the difference doesn’t change the fact that most men are truly as simple as a lot of the points being made. |
Nonsense to the universal-beauty trope. Even your example is full of holes: the Yanomami encourage young women to gain weight to become more marriages. Skinny girls are seen as possibly sick or undernourished. Beauty is absolutely a concept that shifts with culture, time, and place. |
People are challenging the broadness of the statements, because we all know many people whose tastes don’t hew to some mythical bottom line. |
+1 case in point.... ^PP's world is small and only knows "western" ideals of beauty, |