Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month

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Anonymous wrote:Or, jut maybe, it shows how precarious their home country situation is, and how desperate they are to leave, you know, the way your grandparents or great grandparents where when they came to the US?

Why is that so many fail to meet the requirements for asylum? If you want to let more millions in, do you really still expect to provide government programs to cover all of their needs? How exactly will that work?

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Anonymous wrote:You are uninformed if you think the wall is the only thing Republicans/this administration has tried since 2017 to address border security. Read a newspaper people!

You are uninformed if you think Trump originally talked about anything other than the wall or that he wanted funding for anything else other than the wall originally. I never mentioned Rs in general.

DP. You seem to be talking only about his campaign rhetoric. That is not what we're talking about. Beyond his words on the campaign trail, it has always been about an all encompassing fix.

+1 They started implementing new policies within days of coming into office. executive orders, changes at the Justice department,... there has been a lot of policy changes and initiatives on the border that had zero to do with the wall.

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Anonymous wrote:Or, jut maybe, it shows how precarious their home country situation is, and how desperate they are to leave, you know, the way your grandparents or great grandparents where when they came to the US?

Why is that so many fail to meet the requirements for asylum? If you want to let more millions in, do you really still expect to provide government programs to cover all of their needs? How exactly will that work?

Asylum is rightly a very narrow definition and should remain that way

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Anonymous wrote:You are uninformed if you think the wall is the only thing Republicans/this administration has tried since 2017 to address border security. Read a newspaper people!

Exactly. This is the line that CNN and MSNBC have been pushing. "The wall" is all they talk about even though tech and personnel have been included from the beginning.

January, 2018:

The Trump administration has revealed its master plan for securing the border -- and it's going to cost $33 billion.

Of that total, $18 billion will be required for President Donald Trump's long-promised border wall, according to Customs and Border Protection documents obtained by CNN that were sent to lawmakers on Capitol Hill.
The remaining $15 billion would cover technology, personnel and readiness, the document says.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/05/politics/border-security-billions-trump-wall/index.html

"The Wall" is what Trump.talks about all the time, and very rarely mentions other things, so he is pushing the narrative himself. And it is the only thing he repeatedly insists on. If he had been pushing "comprehensive border security," and willing to make a real.deal, he would gotten that including a wall a long time ago. But that "comprehensive border security," is difficult to chant at rallies

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Anonymous wrote:Or, jut maybe, it shows how precarious their home country situation is, and how desperate they are to leave, you know, the way your grandparents or great grandparents where when they came to the US?

Why is that so many fail to meet the requirements for asylum? If you want to let more millions in, do you really still expect to provide government programs to cover all of their needs? How exactly will that work?

Asylum is rightly a very narrow definition and should remain that way

But international law requires that we let everyone make their case, so they are coming. What we really need is more detention facilities and a rapid adjudication system. That will be more effective and more humane deterrent than a wall.

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Anonymous wrote:You are uninformed if you think the wall is the only thing Republicans/this administration has tried since 2017 to address border security. Read a newspaper people!

Exactly. This is the line that CNN and MSNBC have been pushing. "The wall" is all they talk about even though tech and personnel have been included from the beginning.

January, 2018:

The Trump administration has revealed its master plan for securing the border -- and it's going to cost $33 billion.

Of that total, $18 billion will be required for President Donald Trump's long-promised border wall, according to Customs and Border Protection documents obtained by CNN that were sent to lawmakers on Capitol Hill.
The remaining $15 billion would cover technology, personnel and readiness, the document says.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/05/politics/border-security-billions-trump-wall/index.html

"The Wall" is what Trump.talks about all the time, and very rarely mentions other things, so he is pushing the narrative himself. And it is the only thing he repeatedly insists on. If he had been pushing "comprehensive border security," and willing to make a real.deal, he would gotten that including a wall a long time ago. But that "comprehensive border security," is difficult to chant at rallies

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It's easier to keep the MAGAts riled up over a barrier keeping out brown people.

[Anonymous]

The administration can do what Europe started doing in Africa and set up asylum hearing centers in Mexico, so people can be screened without having to enter the US first. It would of course have to involve Mexico's cooperation but it might be more productive than threatening to make them pay for the wall.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is one to talk. He has been hiring illegals for years and more keep coming out of the woodwork everyday.

We will never get anywhere if every time one side is presented with facts the response is "but Trump!" And then they ignore literally mountains of data to focus on an anecdote.

Geez. Yes he hired illegal immigrants. Now let's move on to solutions for this crisis of illegal immigration that both liberal leaning, illegal immigration supporting, prominent newspapers have acknowledged.

The hypocrisy is strong with this one.

Again no actual solutions. Just one off quips (that aren't clever)
Okay. Prosecute to the fullest every employer for hiring illegal immigrants. Now what is your solution to the crisis of 76k+ per month at the border?

Practice what you preach, honey. It's hard to take you seriously when you give your Dear Leader a pass on what you accuse Democrats of.

Fantastic. No ideas.

The president sn't my dear anything.

What great ideas do you have?

There is a lot we can do or at least try:
-Implementation of a safe third country agreement with Mexico
-Put judges on the border/have them conduct the initial interview instead of BP. Most fail to get asylum so if they make the initial interview more stringent we will spend less money for these people moving through an asylum system they will ultimately fail
-no release into the interior of the country while your case is being heard, no granting of work visas unless you are granted asylum
- if they have been released previously, have law enforcement check on them at the address listed. Chances are they are staying with their illegal aunt/uncle/cousin/sibling/parent
- drones, facial recognition at the border

And finally... a physical barrier to keep them out in the first place

Why didn't the GOP start to implement any of this aggresively during the two years they had complete control? They instead chose to pass the tax cut and try to derail Obamacare. It's funny how the the border issue suddenly became an "emergency" once it became clear the Democrats were going to take back the House.

They didn't have "complete control." Many of the above ideas require a minimum 60 vote in the Senate. They didn't have that.

Didn't Trump boast about being a great negotiator?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is one to talk. He has been hiring illegals for years and more keep coming out of the woodwork everyday.

We will never get anywhere if every time one side is presented with facts the response is "but Trump!" And then they ignore literally mountains of data to focus on an anecdote.

Geez. Yes he hired illegal immigrants. Now let's move on to solutions for this crisis of illegal immigration that both liberal leaning, illegal immigration supporting, prominent newspapers have acknowledged.

The hypocrisy is strong with this one.

Again no actual solutions. Just one off quips (that aren't clever)
Okay. Prosecute to the fullest every employer for hiring illegal immigrants. Now what is your solution to the crisis of 76k+ per month at the border?

Practice what you preach, honey. It's hard to take you seriously when you give your Dear Leader a pass on what you accuse Democrats of.

Fantastic. No ideas.

The president sn't my dear anything.

What great ideas do you have?

There is a lot we can do or at least try:
-Implementation of a safe third country agreement with Mexico
-Put judges on the border/have them conduct the initial interview instead of BP. Most fail to get asylum so if they make the initial interview more stringent we will spend less money for these people moving through an asylum system they will ultimately fail
-no release into the interior of the country while your case is being heard, no granting of work visas unless you are granted asylum
- if they have been released previously, have law enforcement check on them at the address listed. Chances are they are staying with their illegal aunt/uncle/cousin/sibling/parent
- drones, facial recognition at the border

And finally... a physical barrier to keep them out in the first place

Why didn't the GOP start to implement any of this aggresively during the two years they had complete control? They instead chose to pass the tax cut and try to derail Obamacare. It's funny how the the border issue suddenly became an "emergency" once it became clear the Democrats were going to take back the House.

They didn't have "complete control." Many of the above ideas require a minimum 60 vote in the Senate. They didn't have that.

False. Dems support more of those things than you claim. Dems have been supportive of more judges, more tech at the border, et cetera. But instead we just got this Trumpian stuff about a big shiny wall without tech, no judges, et cetera. Republicans had an opportunity to do good and get a lot of things that both sides could support, but instead squandered it by just mindlessly tribally rallying behind Trump's nonsense.

This is such a BS statement. The plan has ALWAYS been to include technology, personnel, and more space for detentions. Where is the world are you getting your information?

From Trump. All he blathers about is the wall.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is one to talk. He has been hiring illegals for years and more keep coming out of the woodwork everyday.

We will never get anywhere if every time one side is presented with facts the response is "but Trump!" And then they ignore literally mountains of data to focus on an anecdote.

Geez. Yes he hired illegal immigrants. Now let's move on to solutions for this crisis of illegal immigration that both liberal leaning, illegal immigration supporting, prominent newspapers have acknowledged.

The hypocrisy is strong with this one.

Again no actual solutions. Just one off quips (that aren't clever)
Okay. Prosecute to the fullest every employer for hiring illegal immigrants. Now what is your solution to the crisis of 76k+ per month at the border?

Practice what you preach, honey. It's hard to take you seriously when you give your Dear Leader a pass on what you accuse Democrats of.

Fantastic. No ideas.

The president sn't my dear anything.

What great ideas do you have?

There is a lot we can do or at least try:
-Implementation of a safe third country agreement with Mexico
-Put judges on the border/have them conduct the initial interview instead of BP. Most fail to get asylum so if they make the initial interview more stringent we will spend less money for these people moving through an asylum system they will ultimately fail
-no release into the interior of the country while your case is being heard, no granting of work visas unless you are granted asylum
- if they have been released previously, have law enforcement check on them at the address listed. Chances are they are staying with their illegal aunt/uncle/cousin/sibling/parent
- drones, facial recognition at the border

And finally... a physical barrier to keep them out in the first place

Why didn't the GOP start to implement any of this aggresively during the two years they had complete control? They instead chose to pass the tax cut and try to derail Obamacare. It's funny how the the border issue suddenly became an "emergency" once it became clear the Democrats were going to take back the House.

They didn't have "complete control." Many of the above ideas require a minimum 60 vote in the Senate. They didn't have that.

False. Dems support more of those things than you claim. Dems have been supportive of more judges, more tech at the border, et cetera. But instead we just got this Trumpian stuff about a big shiny wall without tech, no judges, et cetera. Republicans had an opportunity to do good and get a lot of things that both sides could support, but instead squandered it by just mindlessly tribally rallying behind Trump's nonsense.

This is such a BS statement. The plan has ALWAYS been to include technology, personnel, and more space for detentions. Where is the world are you getting your information?

From Trump. All he blathers about is the wall.

Again, Trump talks in sound bytes and rhetoric. Though you would like to paint him as a dictator, he has the entire Republican party working on these other efforts and not only a wall.

But ICYMI, he laid out these other efforts during the shutdown when he talked from the Oval Office about the plans.

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Anonymous wrote:You are uninformed if you think the wall is the only thing Republicans/this administration has tried since 2017 to address border security. Read a newspaper people!

Exactly. This is the line that CNN and MSNBC have been pushing. "The wall" is all they talk about even though tech and personnel have been included from the beginning.

January, 2018:

The Trump administration has revealed its master plan for securing the border -- and it's going to cost $33 billion.

Of that total, $18 billion will be required for President Donald Trump's long-promised border wall, according to Customs and Border Protection documents obtained by CNN that were sent to lawmakers on Capitol Hill.
The remaining $15 billion would cover technology, personnel and readiness, the document says.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/05/politics/border-security-billions-trump-wall/index.html

"The Wall" is what Trump.talks about all the time, and very rarely mentions other things, so he is pushing the narrative himself. And it is the only thing he repeatedly insists on. If he had been pushing "comprehensive border security," and willing to make a real.deal, he would gotten that including a wall a long time ago. But that "comprehensive border security," is difficult to chant at rallies

+1 Perhaps if his message talked about comprehensive border security that could include a wall more people would've been willing to listen, but his focus on the wall and only the wall is what the public heard. I have no doubt most Trump supporters also only heard "build the wall" and not comprehensive border security, and that's why they voted for him. You aren't fooling anyone with your flip flops.

Dems were willing to give $25 billion in border security. If Trump was serious about comprehensive border security, he would've taken that. But no, he was focused on the wall, just like you Trumpsters.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is one to talk. He has been hiring illegals for years and more keep coming out of the woodwork everyday.

We will never get anywhere if every time one side is presented with facts the response is "but Trump!" And then they ignore literally mountains of data to focus on an anecdote.

Geez. Yes he hired illegal immigrants. Now let's move on to solutions for this crisis of illegal immigration that both liberal leaning, illegal immigration supporting, prominent newspapers have acknowledged.

The hypocrisy is strong with this one.

Again no actual solutions. Just one off quips (that aren't clever)
Okay. Prosecute to the fullest every employer for hiring illegal immigrants. Now what is your solution to the crisis of 76k+ per month at the border?

Practice what you preach, honey. It's hard to take you seriously when you give your Dear Leader a pass on what you accuse Democrats of.

Fantastic. No ideas.

The president sn't my dear anything.

What great ideas do you have?

There is a lot we can do or at least try:
-Implementation of a safe third country agreement with Mexico
-Put judges on the border/have them conduct the initial interview instead of BP. Most fail to get asylum so if they make the initial interview more stringent we will spend less money for these people moving through an asylum system they will ultimately fail
-no release into the interior of the country while your case is being heard, no granting of work visas unless you are granted asylum
- if they have been released previously, have law enforcement check on them at the address listed. Chances are they are staying with their illegal aunt/uncle/cousin/sibling/parent
- drones, facial recognition at the border

And finally... a physical barrier to keep them out in the first place

Why didn't the GOP start to implement any of this aggresively during the two years they had complete control? They instead chose to pass the tax cut and try to derail Obamacare. It's funny how the the border issue suddenly became an "emergency" once it became clear the Democrats were going to take back the House.

They didn't have "complete control." Many of the above ideas require a minimum 60 vote in the Senate. They didn't have that.

False. Dems support more of those things than you claim. Dems have been supportive of more judges, more tech at the border, et cetera. But instead we just got this Trumpian stuff about a big shiny wall without tech, no judges, et cetera. Republicans had an opportunity to do good and get a lot of things that both sides could support, but instead squandered it by just mindlessly tribally rallying behind Trump's nonsense.

This is such a BS statement. The plan has ALWAYS been to include technology, personnel, and more space for detentions. Where is the world are you getting your information?

From Trump. All he blathers about is the wall.

Again, Trump talks in sound bytes and rhetoric. Though you would like to paint him as a dictator, he has the entire Republican party working on these other efforts and not only a wall.

But ICYMI, he laid out these other efforts during the shutdown when he talked from the Oval Office about the plans.

The only thing we have heard is sound bytes and rhetoric, no sensible plans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What an amazing coincidence! At the exact same time Trump declares his BS "emergency" the border crossing numbers leap up.

It was the Russians, sweetie.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is one to talk. He has been hiring illegals for years and more keep coming out of the woodwork everyday.

We will never get anywhere if every time one side is presented with facts the response is "but Trump!" And then they ignore literally mountains of data to focus on an anecdote.

Geez. Yes he hired illegal immigrants. Now let's move on to solutions for this crisis of illegal immigration that both liberal leaning, illegal immigration supporting, prominent newspapers have acknowledged.

The hypocrisy is strong with this one.

Again no actual solutions. Just one off quips (that aren't clever)
Okay. Prosecute to the fullest every employer for hiring illegal immigrants. Now what is your solution to the crisis of 76k+ per month at the border?

Practice what you preach, honey. It's hard to take you seriously when you give your Dear Leader a pass on what you accuse Democrats of.

Fantastic. No ideas.

The president sn't my dear anything.

What great ideas do you have?

There is a lot we can do or at least try:
-Implementation of a safe third country agreement with Mexico
-Put judges on the border/have them conduct the initial interview instead of BP. Most fail to get asylum so if they make the initial interview more stringent we will spend less money for these people moving through an asylum system they will ultimately fail
-no release into the interior of the country while your case is being heard, no granting of work visas unless you are granted asylum
- if they have been released previously, have law enforcement check on them at the address listed. Chances are they are staying with their illegal aunt/uncle/cousin/sibling/parent
- drones, facial recognition at the border

And finally... a physical barrier to keep them out in the first place

Why didn't the GOP start to implement any of this aggresively during the two years they had complete control? They instead chose to pass the tax cut and try to derail Obamacare. It's funny how the the border issue suddenly became an "emergency" once it became clear the Democrats were going to take back the House.

They didn't have "complete control." Many of the above ideas require a minimum 60 vote in the Senate. They didn't have that.

False. Dems support more of those things than you claim. Dems have been supportive of more judges, more tech at the border, et cetera. But instead we just got this Trumpian stuff about a big shiny wall without tech, no judges, et cetera. Republicans had an opportunity to do good and get a lot of things that both sides could support, but instead squandered it by just mindlessly tribally rallying behind Trump's nonsense.

This is such a BS statement. The plan has ALWAYS been to include technology, personnel, and more space for detentions. Where is the world are you getting your information?

From Trump. All he blathers about is the wall.

Again, Trump talks in sound bytes and rhetoric. Though you would like to paint him as a dictator, he has the entire Republican party working on these other efforts and not only a wall.

But ICYMI, he laid out these other efforts during the shutdown when he talked from the Oval Office about the plans.

It's kind of funny that those lambasting Trump and supporters for not talking or thinking past sound bytes on the wall yet they are the ones that are only picking up on these sound bytes. Anyone well read and even reasonably keeping up with policy would know that many other methods have been deployed since 2017.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The administration can do what Europe started doing in Africa and set up asylum hearing centers in Mexico, so people can be screened without having to enter the US first. It would of course have to involve Mexico's cooperation but it might be more productive than threatening to make them pay for the wall.

Mexico has no incentive to curb the flood of drugs or sex trafficking. Cartels are making Mexican politicians very rich.