New US News rankings are out

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Maryland has smarter students than UVA

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Anonymous wrote:William and Mary dropped a few spots to 38. UVA, prestigious, stayed at 25. Maryland is somewhere in the 60s. Chuckle.

William and Mary tumbled to 38. It is now a worse ranked school than Florida. It (William and Mary) is in desperate shape—stagnant number of applications, poor resources, and very few male applicants.

Poor resources? I thought it is a public ivy with lots of research opportunities for undergraduates

too stressful and kids aren't happy there. stress is more acceptable when it comes with a top brand name. w&m's brand is commensurate to the stress.

Princeton Review ranked then as some of the happiest in the country, actually. Faculty resources are dismal.

Princeton Review (based on actual surveys) not only rated W&M #1 for happiest students, it also ranked #2 for students love their college. It is #1 in annual giving rate and #3 in retention rate among public universities. Those wouldn't be typical results for unhappy students and graduates.

W&M does not have a medical school or research hospital, unlike a lot of the schools ranked higher. Since attracts a lot of the funded research money and counts toward resources, it puts W&M at a disadvantage in ratings. But these resources typically have very little to do with undergraduate education. W&M has long been strong in involving undergraduates in faculty-directed research projects that help with admission to medical and graduate school, particularly in science. NSF has produce reports on the top feeder schools for STEM PHDs, and W&M was ranked behind only Berkeley for national public universities when evaluated on a per capita basis.

Sure, absolutely. Of course, Princeton has no med school, research hospital, business school or law school and it’s number 1.

You are correct, of course, but Princeton is a special case as anyone can see if they do a bit of math. It has an endowment of over $24B for only 8,200 students. At a typical 5% payout, that endowment generates about $1.2B per year. That is nearly $150K per student per year before tuition, externally funded research, or any other source of funds. That level of endowment can not only pay full cost for all Princeton students, it could pay to operate three W&Ms. It could pay full tuition, fees, and board for all UVA students with room left over. So no, W&M is no Princeton, but that wasn't what was being argued (and notice I said a lot of the schools ranked higher have medical schools, not all). And in the assessment of USNews, Princeton was number one, so no other school is its equivalent.

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Anonymous wrote:No, Georgetown is still an Ivy/Duke backup.

Why do you all insist on spewing BS? I went to Georgetown and know plenty of people who went to Ivies and Duke. I know for a fact this isn’t true.

Completely untrue. Many kids pick Georgetown over Ivies--and certainly 3rd rate Duke--due in part to its location. Can't beat it for internship, jobs and related opportunities.

Perhaps many in one sense, but according to Parchment, which is based on data from cross-admits, cross-admits choose Duke 78% of the time to 22% of the time for Georgetown.

There’s absolutely no way Parchment has accurate enough data to generate those numbers.

Their site says they have data from students on 1.6M acceptances. That is likely better than your knowledgebase.

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Any kid can plug anything they want into Parchment. It's a joke. It'd be a REALLY cool resource if high school counselors had kids fill it out accurately, but it's not accurate at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Any kid can plug anything they want into Parchment. It's a joke. It'd be a REALLY cool resource if high school counselors had kids fill it out accurately, but it's not accurate at all.

Yup. Someone on CC made a Parchment profile for their dog, just to prove anyone can put anything on the site.

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Anonymous wrote:Any kid can plug anything they want into Parchment. It's a joke. It'd be a REALLY cool resource if high school counselors had kids fill it out accurately, but it's not accurate at all.

Yup. Someone on CC made a Parchment profile for their dog, just to prove anyone can put anything on the site.

My understanding is the cross-admit data is not based student-submitted data. The cross-admit data comes from the high schools that subscribe to it. High schools that use the service offer their students the option to release that data to them.

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Anonymous wrote:Any kid can plug anything they want into Parchment. It's a joke. It'd be a REALLY cool resource if high school counselors had kids fill it out accurately, but it's not accurate at all.

Yup. Someone on CC made a Parchment profile for their dog, just to prove anyone can put anything on the site.

My understanding is the cross-admit data is not based student-submitted data. The cross-admit data comes from the high schools that subscribe to it. High schools that use the service offer their students the option to release that data to them.

Yeah and only an estimated 30% of high schools subscribe to it.

There’s no good way to get cross admit numbers without having the actual data, which no one really has.

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Anonymous wrote:The changed methodology favors schools that admit low-income students (Pell Grant recipients).

UCLA and Berkeley admit a far greater percentage of Pell Grant students than most Top 25 schools


https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/nati...rsity-among-top-ranked-schools

It also seems to have provided a big bump to all the other UC schools as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Any kid can plug anything they want into Parchment. It's a joke. It'd be a REALLY cool resource if high school counselors had kids fill it out accurately, but it's not accurate at all.

Yup. Someone on CC made a Parchment profile for their dog, just to prove anyone can put anything on the site.

My understanding is the cross-admit data is not based student-submitted data. The cross-admit data comes from the high schools that subscribe to it. High schools that use the service offer their students the option to release that data to them.

Yeah and only an estimated 30% of high schools subscribe to it.

There’s no good way to get cross admit numbers without having the actual data, which no one really has.

When the government is estimating outcomes on its scorecard, it often has data on no more than 30% of graduates (those with federal loans or grants).

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Anonymous wrote:Any kid can plug anything they want into Parchment. It's a joke. It'd be a REALLY cool resource if high school counselors had kids fill it out accurately, but it's not accurate at all.

Yup. Someone on CC made a Parchment profile for their dog, just to prove anyone can put anything on the site.

My understanding is the cross-admit data is not based student-submitted data. The cross-admit data comes from the high schools that subscribe to it. High schools that use the service offer their students the option to release that data to them.

Yeah and only an estimated 30% of high schools subscribe to it.

There’s no good way to get cross admit numbers without having the actual data, which no one really has.

Hard to say how accurate their data is, but it usually seems to have results I would expect for well known schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Any kid can plug anything they want into Parchment. It's a joke. It'd be a REALLY cool resource if high school counselors had kids fill it out accurately, but it's not accurate at all.

Yup. Someone on CC made a Parchment profile for their dog, just to prove anyone can put anything on the site.

My understanding is the cross-admit data is not based student-submitted data. The cross-admit data comes from the high schools that subscribe to it. High schools that use the service offer their students the option to release that data to them.

Yeah and only an estimated 30% of high schools subscribe to it.

There’s no good way to get cross admit numbers without having the actual data, which no one really has.

Hard to say how accurate their data is, but it usually seems to have results I would expect for well known schools.

Just because it confirms your personal opinion doesn’t mean it’s accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:Any kid can plug anything they want into Parchment. It's a joke. It'd be a REALLY cool resource if high school counselors had kids fill it out accurately, but it's not accurate at all.

Yup. Someone on CC made a Parchment profile for their dog, just to prove anyone can put anything on the site.

My understanding is the cross-admit data is not based student-submitted data. The cross-admit data comes from the high schools that subscribe to it. High schools that use the service offer their students the option to release that data to them.

Yeah and only an estimated 30% of high schools subscribe to it.

There’s no good way to get cross admit numbers without having the actual data, which no one really has.

Hard to say how accurate their data is, but it usually seems to have results I would expect for well known schools.

Just because it confirms your personal opinion doesn’t mean it’s accurate.

Well, then it is good that I started the sentence with "hard to say how accurate their data is".

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Anonymous wrote:William and Mary dropped a few spots to 38. UVA, prestigious, stayed at 25. Maryland is somewhere in the 60s. Chuckle.

William and Mary tumbled to 38. It is now a worse ranked school than Florida. It (William and Mary) is in desperate shape—stagnant number of applications, poor resources, and very few male applicants.

Poor resources? I thought it is a public ivy with lots of research opportunities for undergraduates

too stressful and kids aren't happy there. stress is more acceptable when it comes with a top brand name. w&m's brand is commensurate to the stress.

Princeton Review ranked then as some of the happiest in the country, actually. Faculty resources are dismal.

Princeton Review (based on actual surveys) not only rated W&M #1 for happiest students, it also ranked #2 for students love their college. It is #1 in annual giving rate and #3 in retention rate among public universities. Those wouldn't be typical results for unhappy students and graduates.

W&M does not have a medical school or research hospital, unlike a lot of the schools ranked higher. Since attracts a lot of the funded research money and counts toward resources, it puts W&M at a disadvantage in ratings. But these resources typically have very little to do with undergraduate education. W&M has long been strong in involving undergraduates in faculty-directed research projects that help with admission to medical and graduate school, particularly in science. NSF has produce reports on the top feeder schools for STEM PHDs, and W&M was ranked behind only Berkeley for national public universities when evaluated on a per capita basis.

Sure, absolutely. Of course, Princeton has no med school, research hospital, business school or law school and it’s number 1.

You are correct, of course, but Princeton is a special case as anyone can see if they do a bit of math. It has an endowment of over $24B for only 8,200 students. At a typical 5% payout, that endowment generates about $1.2B per year. That is nearly $150K per student per year before tuition, externally funded research, or any other source of funds. That level of endowment can not only pay full cost for all Princeton students, it could pay to operate three W&Ms. It could pay full tuition, fees, and board for all UVA students with room left over. So no, W&M is no Princeton, but that wasn't what was being argued (and notice I said a lot of the schools ranked higher have medical schools, not all). And in the assessment of USNews, Princeton was number one, so no other school is its equivalent.

It's unrealistic to compare William & Mary, a state school, to Princeton, a private one.

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Anonymous wrote:William and Mary dropped a few spots to 38. UVA, prestigious, stayed at 25. Maryland is somewhere in the 60s. Chuckle.

William and Mary tumbled to 38. It is now a worse ranked school than Florida. It (William and Mary) is in desperate shape—stagnant number of applications, poor resources, and very few male applicants.

Poor resources? I thought it is a public ivy with lots of research opportunities for undergraduates

too stressful and kids aren't happy there. stress is more acceptable when it comes with a top brand name. w&m's brand is commensurate to the stress.

Princeton Review ranked then as some of the happiest in the country, actually. Faculty resources are dismal.

Princeton Review (based on actual surveys) not only rated W&M #1 for happiest students, it also ranked #2 for students love their college. It is #1 in annual giving rate and #3 in retention rate among public universities. Those wouldn't be typical results for unhappy students and graduates.

W&M does not have a medical school or research hospital, unlike a lot of the schools ranked higher. Since attracts a lot of the funded research money and counts toward resources, it puts W&M at a disadvantage in ratings. But these resources typically have very little to do with undergraduate education. W&M has long been strong in involving undergraduates in faculty-directed research projects that help with admission to medical and graduate school, particularly in science. NSF has produce reports on the top feeder schools for STEM PHDs, and W&M was ranked behind only Berkeley for national public universities when evaluated on a per capita basis.

Sure, absolutely. Of course, Princeton has no med school, research hospital, business school or law school and it’s number 1.

You are correct, of course, but Princeton is a special case as anyone can see if they do a bit of math. It has an endowment of over $24B for only 8,200 students. At a typical 5% payout, that endowment generates about $1.2B per year. That is nearly $150K per student per year before tuition, externally funded research, or any other source of funds. That level of endowment can not only pay full cost for all Princeton students, it could pay to operate three W&Ms. It could pay full tuition, fees, and board for all UVA students with room left over. So no, W&M is no Princeton, but that wasn't what was being argued (and notice I said a lot of the schools ranked higher have medical schools, not all). And in the assessment of USNews, Princeton was number one, so no other school is its equivalent.

It's unrealistic to compare William & Mary, a state school, to Princeton, a private one.

Not many private schools can compare to Princeton in a lot of ways.

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Anonymous wrote:The changed methodology favors schools that admit low-income students (Pell Grant recipients).

UCLA and Berkeley admit a far greater percentage of Pell Grant students than most Top 25 schools


https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/nati...rsity-among-top-ranked-schools

It also seems to have provided a big bump to all the other UC schools as well.

I noticed that as well. And UC schools are race-blind in admissions.