New US News rankings are out

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Anonymous wrote:The top 20 percent at state U do as well in life as the "elite" graduates. Doing really well at a no name small college is probably better as you'll get to know profs who will get you into a good graduate program.
My former employer, a major national newspaper, no longer hires interns from elite programs. They were entitled and not very creative.

>few elite alums want to work here
>elite alums demand a fair salary & their ambition and savvy makes them prone to job hopping
>WE DIDN'T WANT ELITES ANYWAYS!

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Anonymous wrote:Midwestern LACs are interesting. Carleton and Grinnell far ahead of the pack, as they should be.

So sayeth the Grinnell grad...

It's been this way for 40 years, with the exception of Oberlin falling from grace.

But there is NO comparison between Carleton and Grinnell

Eh. They’re both excellent, top LACs that send a very large number of students to PhD programs. For all intents and purposes, they are very much peer institutions.

(I say this as a Carleton grad.)

Carleton is leagues above, and you know that if you’re really an alum.

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Anonymous wrote:Midwestern LACs are interesting. Carleton and Grinnell far ahead of the pack, as they should be.

So sayeth the Grinnell grad...

It's been this way for 40 years, with the exception of Oberlin falling from grace.

But there is NO comparison between Carleton and Grinnell

Eh. They’re both excellent, top LACs that send a very large number of students to PhD programs. For all intents and purposes, they are very much peer institutions.

(I say this as a Carleton grad.)

Carleton is leagues above, and you know that if you’re really an alum.

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Anonymous wrote:The top 20 percent at state U do as well in life as the "elite" graduates. Doing really well at a no name small college is probably better as you'll get to know profs who will get you into a good graduate program.
My former employer, a major national newspaper, no longer hires interns from elite programs. They were entitled and not very creative.

>few elite alums want to work here
>elite alums demand a fair salary & their ambition and savvy makes them prone to job hopping
>WE DIDN'T WANT ELITES ANYWAYS!

It all depends on the kid. I worked with some that I never knew went to elite schools and were hard working, and I also had some elite school grads that were a pain in the ass.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown and Cal tied? That's absurd.

30% of Cal students are low income (Pell Grant), just 12% of Georgetown students are low income. When USNWS changed the methodology to account for outcomes for low-income students, it was inevitable that schools like UCLA (36%) and Cal (30%) would benefit and schools like Georgetown (12%) and Wash U. (10%) would suffer.

The real eye opener is that Georgetown, a Jesuit University, ranks so poorly in supporting low-income students.


https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/nati...rsity-among-top-ranked-schools

You would hardly know that Georgetown was Jesuit based on the the fact that it’s mostly a haven for rich kids that didn’t get into the Ivies.

Georgetown has changed

So has UChicago

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown and Cal tied? That's absurd.

30% of Cal students are low income (Pell Grant), just 12% of Georgetown students are low income. When USNWS changed the methodology to account for outcomes for low-income students, it was inevitable that schools like UCLA (36%) and Cal (30%) would benefit and schools like Georgetown (12%) and Wash U. (10%) would suffer.

The real eye opener is that Georgetown, a Jesuit University, ranks so poorly in supporting low-income students.


https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/nati...rsity-among-top-ranked-schools

You would hardly know that Georgetown was Jesuit based on the the fact that it’s mostly a haven for rich kids that didn’t get into the Ivies.

Georgetown has changed

Yeah ... Georgetown isn’t just a backup for kids who can’t get into Ivies.

- Georgetown SFS grad who applied there rather than any Ivy League schools because I wanted the govt connections

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No, Georgetown is still an Ivy/Duke backup.

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Anonymous wrote:No, Georgetown is still an Ivy/Duke backup.

Why do you all insist on spewing BS? I went to Georgetown and know plenty of people who went to Ivies and Duke. I know for a fact this isn’t true.

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Anonymous wrote:Midwestern LACs are interesting. Carleton and Grinnell far ahead of the pack, as they should be.

So sayeth the Grinnell grad...

It's been this way for 40 years, with the exception of Oberlin falling from grace.

But there is NO comparison between Carleton and Grinnell

You’re right. Carleton students are equally talented as Grinnell students, but Grinnell’s endowment is $1 billion larger.

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But Northfield is so much more cosmopolitan than Grinnell...

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Anonymous wrote:No, Georgetown is still an Ivy/Duke backup.

Why do you all insist on spewing BS? I went to Georgetown and know plenty of people who went to Ivies and Duke. I know for a fact this isn’t true.

Completely untrue. Many kids pick Georgetown over Ivies--and certainly 3rd rate Duke--due in part to its location. Can't beat it for internship, jobs and related opportunities.

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Anonymous wrote:William and Mary dropped a few spots to 38. UVA, prestigious, stayed at 25. Maryland is somewhere in the 60s. Chuckle.

William and Mary tumbled to 38. It is now a worse ranked school than Florida. It (William and Mary) is in desperate shape—stagnant number of applications, poor resources, and very few male applicants.

Poor resources? I thought it is a public ivy with lots of research opportunities for undergraduates

too stressful and kids aren't happy there. stress is more acceptable when it comes with a top brand name. w&m's brand is commensurate to the stress.

Princeton Review ranked then as some of the happiest in the country, actually. Faculty resources are dismal.

Princeton Review (based on actual surveys) not only rated W&M #1 for happiest students, it also ranked #2 for students love their college. It is #1 in annual giving rate and #3 in retention rate among public universities. Those wouldn't be typical results for unhappy students and graduates.

W&M does not have a medical school or research hospital, unlike a lot of the schools ranked higher. Since attracts a lot of the funded research money and counts toward resources, it puts W&M at a disadvantage in ratings. But these resources typically have very little to do with undergraduate education. W&M has long been strong in involving undergraduates in faculty-directed research projects that help with admission to medical and graduate school, particularly in science. NSF has produce reports on the top feeder schools for STEM PHDs, and W&M was ranked behind only Berkeley for national public universities when evaluated on a per capita basis.

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Anonymous wrote:William and Mary dropped a few spots to 38. UVA, prestigious, stayed at 25. Maryland is somewhere in the 60s. Chuckle.

William and Mary tumbled to 38. It is now a worse ranked school than Florida. It (William and Mary) is in desperate shape—stagnant number of applications, poor resources, and very few male applicants.

Poor resources? I thought it is a public ivy with lots of research opportunities for undergraduates

too stressful and kids aren't happy there. stress is more acceptable when it comes with a top brand name. w&m's brand is commensurate to the stress.

Princeton Review ranked then as some of the happiest in the country, actually. Faculty resources are dismal.

Princeton Review (based on actual surveys) not only rated W&M #1 for happiest students, it also ranked #2 for students love their college. It is #1 in annual giving rate and #3 in retention rate among public universities. Those wouldn't be typical results for unhappy students and graduates.

W&M does not have a medical school or research hospital, unlike a lot of the schools ranked higher. Since attracts a lot of the funded research money and counts toward resources, it puts W&M at a disadvantage in ratings. But these resources typically have very little to do with undergraduate education. W&M has long been strong in involving undergraduates in faculty-directed research projects that help with admission to medical and graduate school, particularly in science. NSF has produce reports on the top feeder schools for STEM PHDs, and W&M was ranked behind only Berkeley for national public universities when evaluated on a per capita basis.

Sure, absolutely. Of course, Princeton has no med school, research hospital, business school or law school and it’s number 1.

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Anonymous wrote:No, Georgetown is still an Ivy/Duke backup.

Why do you all insist on spewing BS? I went to Georgetown and know plenty of people who went to Ivies and Duke. I know for a fact this isn’t true.

Completely untrue. Many kids pick Georgetown over Ivies--and certainly 3rd rate Duke--due in part to its location. Can't beat it for internship, jobs and related opportunities.

Perhaps many in one sense, but according to Parchment, which is based on data from cross-admits, cross-admits choose Duke 78% of the time to 22% of the time for Georgetown.

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Anonymous wrote:No, Georgetown is still an Ivy/Duke backup.

Why do you all insist on spewing BS? I went to Georgetown and know plenty of people who went to Ivies and Duke. I know for a fact this isn’t true.

Completely untrue. Many kids pick Georgetown over Ivies--and certainly 3rd rate Duke--due in part to its location. Can't beat it for internship, jobs and related opportunities.

Perhaps many in one sense, but according to Parchment, which is based on data from cross-admits, cross-admits choose Duke 78% of the time to 22% of the time for Georgetown.

There’s absolutely no way Parchment has accurate enough data to generate those numbers.