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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.[/quote]

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech. [/quote]

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught[/quote]

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.  [/quote]

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are.  Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.[/quote]

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity! [/quote]

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.[/quote]

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours. [/quote]

Unlike you, I didn’t have to come to the US following my husband, I immigrated here on my own volition.

I remember, still with so much emotion, the day I became a US citizen. That day, when with my right hand on my heart, I swore allegiance to this country, its laws, and its Constitution.  I swore to serve it and, when required, to defend it with my own life - and that would include defend it from my country of origin, if needed be.  When I first read (and “digested”) what was required of me in exchange I had mixed emotions; however, upon further studying and preparing for my naturalization test, I learned so much about American history and government, and what this great nation stands for, it made it all worth it.

That day, I made a promise I didn’t take lightly; that is why it breaks my heart to see what is happening to our country, so much hate and so much division.  Yet, the same as with marriage, I am in for good or for bad; whether I feel rosy about it, or I don’t, I get up every day and choose to give the best of me.  At the end of the day, commitment is not a feeling, it’s a choice. [/quote]

It’s great you feel that way. You need to stop patronizing and insulting people who don’t feel that way though. Your reasons for immigrating here and your feelings about it are yours and others don’t have to feel exactly this way. [/quote]

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