How does Trayon White still have a job?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can honestly say that I'm less upset by Trayon's White's comments/actions than by the repetitive attempts here to say that they "aren't that bad."

I actually don't care what happens with Trayon White as an individual. What I would like is recognition that anti-semitism among people of color is on the rise, with the cause of the Palestinians a convenient cover for those accusations. For American Jews, it increasingly feels like (mostly mild, "all Jews are like this") anti-semitism is ok on the left and the right. It's alarming.

When you combine it with the rise in real anti-Jewish hate crimes here and around the world, Jews aren't sure what to think. It certainly feels like Jews are the last group anyone wants to defend ...

Thank you. And FTR, your post is not from the "prominent poster" to whom Jeff referred, as I believe that would be me.

And what you are saying is exactly the point I keep trying to make.....the message that antisemitism isn't that bad, or certainly it's not as bad as relgious prejudice against Muslims or racial prejudice against blacks. That's why we see all this pretzel-twisting to explain it away.

I too have been appalled by how unwilling (some) liberals are to admit that one of their council members is repeatedly demonstrating antisemtitic attitudes. Excuses after excuse. Just call it like it is: the guy is antisemtitic, and too stupid apparently to learn from his revelation of it.

What exactly did Mr White say or do that you think is unabashedly anti Semitic

The Rothschild comment is part of the "vast worldwide Jewish conspiracy" anti-Semitism that goes back at least to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I'm willing to accept that he doesn't know all that history, but that doesn't make it any less a part of "unabashed anti-semitism."

Also, when you are IN THE HOLOCAUST MUSEUM and you are trying to explain away the behavior of Nazis, that is "unabashed anti-semitism" by any definition I can think of.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Aaron Holmes will see this chaos and controversy as an opportunity and challenge White who won unopposed in 2016.

Someone seems overly invested in ward 8 all of a sudden

All of a sudden????
Lol - sit your dumb ass down you obviously don’t a damn thing about me.

Sure you care about ward 8 . Sure .

Meet me at the Congress Heights Arts & Culture Center around this afternoon we can talk about my cares/interests more thoroughly. There’s a Miss Black America Community Empowerment Day Event there from 5-8 I’ll be taking my daughter before we go to the Wizards game.

Yawn

I thought so. Like I said sit your dumb ass down you don’t know a damn thing about me.

If you were smart you would've know by now that your shitty putative candidate won't win a damn thing in ward8

[Anonymous]

The quotes from the article about the tour of the Holocaust museum were pretty shocking, TBH.
I know some of the progressive Jewish organizations had been working with him; have any made a statement since the latest kerfuffle?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:The quotes from the article about the tour of the Holocaust museum were pretty shocking, TBH.
I know some of the progressive Jewish organizations had been working with him; have any made a statement since the latest kerfuffle?

Jews United for Justice endorsed White when he ran for Council and has been working with him extensively. Here is there statement:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6R_B0pugQTEWTV3dGxzNHVOeFJQcDZvTUdsMHhibTlSenFz/view

Some excerpts:

We have spoken with several people who were present for the museum visit, including a Jewish
leader, who say the Post article isn't an accurate picture. They describe Trayon as sincere in his
desire to learn, and that the vast gaps in knowledge and understanding between Black and
Jewish communities became evident again and again during the tour.

Jews are a people who value questions and learning. We are disappointed that the reporter
chose to portray this Black leader and his staff in the most unflattering possible light possible- as
willfully ignorant, rather than in the middle of a learning process - thereby inflaming tensions at
a time when everyone involved was working toward understanding and bridge building. We
know from first-hand experience that doing this kind of learning can be humbling, awkward, and
hard, and how hurtful our lack of information can be to others.

It is our understanding that that the presence of a reporter trailing Councilmember White and
writing down his and staff's questions caused him to cut the visit short. This derailed a real
opportunity for learning, connection, trust building, and shared understanding - the things that
will bring our communities closer together.

As for the reported constituent fund donation to the Nation of Islam: if this is true, it is
unacceptable. Louis Farrakhan and NOI have a long history of anti-Semitic, anti-LGBTQ+,
misogynistic, and bigoted words and actions, which we condemn in the strongest terms. We
also encourage people to read Black and Jewish critics of NOI and Farrakhan.

We hope Trayon will request a return of the funds to ensure that the money goes to
supporting his constituents. No constituent funds should have been given to the NOI.

[Anonymous]

The man sounds nuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can honestly say that I'm less upset by Trayon's White's comments/actions than by the repetitive attempts here to say that they "aren't that bad."

I actually don't care what happens with Trayon White as an individual. What I would like is recognition that anti-semitism among people of color is on the rise, with the cause of the Palestinians a convenient cover for those accusations. For American Jews, it increasingly feels like (mostly mild, "all Jews are like this") anti-semitism is ok on the left and the right. It's alarming.

When you combine it with the rise in real anti-Jewish hate crimes here and around the world, Jews aren't sure what to think. It certainly feels like Jews are the last group anyone wants to defend ...

Trump's approval amongst African Americans is 10% , amongst hispanics 11% , amongst whites ? 53% . Once again the reality doesn't align with your imagination which is what always happen to people who are hell bent on stretching the truth . The man who referred to people who yelled ' Jews will not replace us' has an approval of 53% amongst whites, but the let the facts get on your way .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can honestly say that I'm less upset by Trayon's White's comments/actions than by the repetitive attempts here to say that they "aren't that bad."

I actually don't care what happens with Trayon White as an individual. What I would like is recognition that anti-semitism among people of color is on the rise, with the cause of the Palestinians a convenient cover for those accusations. For American Jews, it increasingly feels like (mostly mild, "all Jews are like this") anti-semitism is ok on the left and the right. It's alarming.

When you combine it with the rise in real anti-Jewish hate crimes here and around the world, Jews aren't sure what to think. It certainly feels like Jews are the last group anyone wants to defend ...

Thank you. And FTR, your post is not from the "prominent poster" to whom Jeff referred, as I believe that would be me.

And what you are saying is exactly the point I keep trying to make.....the message that antisemitism isn't that bad, or certainly it's not as bad as relgious prejudice against Muslims or racial prejudice against blacks. That's why we see all this pretzel-twisting to explain it away.

I too have been appalled by how unwilling (some) liberals are to admit that one of their council members is repeatedly demonstrating antisemtitic attitudes. Excuses after excuse. Just call it like it is: the guy is antisemtitic, and too stupid apparently to learn from his revelation of it.

What exactly did Mr White say or do that you think is unabashedly anti Semitic

The Rothschild comment is part of the "vast worldwide Jewish conspiracy" anti-Semitism that goes back at least to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I'm willing to accept that he doesn't know all that history, but that doesn't make it any less a part of "unabashed anti-semitism."

Also, when you are IN THE HOLOCAUST MUSEUM and you are trying to explain away the behavior of Nazis, that is "unabashed anti-semitism" by any definition I can think of.

Agree! We still have evidence on this thread of the very behavior we are talking about.....the propensity of progressive liberals to explain away very obvious antisemtitism - and who actually get angry at the Jews who are rightly pointing out that any bigotry toward Jewish people is completely unacceptable.

And look at how the blame is shifting.....from the antisemtitic black Democrat to the Jews who dare - how dare they?! - complain about his antisemtism. Someone in this thread even suggested that when Jews don't show repeated forgiveness, patience, understanding, whatever, in the face of repeated disrepectful behavior (and I'm being generous) of White to Jewish people, it's the JEWS who are stirring up trouble.

Look. White advanced a ridiculous antisemtitic conspiracy theory (he might have known, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's just a stupid idiotic), there was a effort for Jews to "educate" him about how disrepectful he was. So what does he do? He apologizes, and then can't even have the decency to complete a tour of the Holocaust Musuem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can honestly say that I'm less upset by Trayon's White's comments/actions than by the repetitive attempts here to say that they "aren't that bad."

I actually don't care what happens with Trayon White as an individual. What I would like is recognition that anti-semitism among people of color is on the rise, with the cause of the Palestinians a convenient cover for those accusations. For American Jews, it increasingly feels like (mostly mild, "all Jews are like this") anti-semitism is ok on the left and the right. It's alarming.

When you combine it with the rise in real anti-Jewish hate crimes here and around the world, Jews aren't sure what to think. It certainly feels like Jews are the last group anyone wants to defend ...

Trump's approval amongst African Americans is 10% , amongst hispanics 11% , amongst whites ? 53% . Once again the reality doesn't align with your imagination which is what always happen to people who are hell bent on stretching the truth . The man who referred to people who yelled ' Jews will not replace us' has an approval of 53% amongst whites, but the let the facts get on your way .

What does Trump have to do with anti-semitism on the left? They don't like Trump, but that doesn't mean they like Jews.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can honestly say that I'm less upset by Trayon's White's comments/actions than by the repetitive attempts here to say that they "aren't that bad."

I actually don't care what happens with Trayon White as an individual. What I would like is recognition that anti-semitism among people of color is on the rise, with the cause of the Palestinians a convenient cover for those accusations. For American Jews, it increasingly feels like (mostly mild, "all Jews are like this") anti-semitism is ok on the left and the right. It's alarming.

When you combine it with the rise in real anti-Jewish hate crimes here and around the world, Jews aren't sure what to think. It certainly feels like Jews are the last group anyone wants to defend ...

Trump's approval amongst African Americans is 10% , amongst hispanics 11% , amongst whites ? 53% . Once again the reality doesn't align with your imagination which is what always happen to people who are hell bent on stretching the truth . The man who referred to people who yelled ' Jews will not replace us' has an approval of 53% amongst whites, but the let the facts get on your way .

What does Trump have to do with anti-semitism on the left? They don't like Trump, but that doesn't mean they like Jews.

Exactly. Look at how these liberals are contorting themselves to deny antisemtitism on their side. So because Trayon White doesn't like Trump (assumption on my part), that means he couldn't possibly hold negative views toward Jews? Mr, Whites dislikes Trump for entirely different reasons.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The quotes from the article about the tour of the Holocaust museum were pretty shocking, TBH.
I know some of the progressive Jewish organizations had been working with him; have any made a statement since the latest kerfuffle?

Jews United for Justice endorsed White when he ran for Council and has been working with him extensively. Here is there statement:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6R_B0pugQTEWTV3dGxzNHVOeFJQcDZvTUdsMHhibTlSenFz/view

Some excerpts:

We have spoken with several people who were present for the museum visit, including a Jewish
leader, who say the Post article isn't an accurate picture. They describe Trayon as sincere in his
desire to learn, and that the vast gaps in knowledge and understanding between Black and
Jewish communities became evident again and again during the tour.

Jews are a people who value questions and learning. We are disappointed that the reporter
chose to portray this Black leader and his staff in the most unflattering possible light possible- as
willfully ignorant, rather than in the middle of a learning process - thereby inflaming tensions at
a time when everyone involved was working toward understanding and bridge building. We
know from first-hand experience that doing this kind of learning can be humbling, awkward, and
hard, and how hurtful our lack of information can be to others.

It is our understanding that that the presence of a reporter trailing Councilmember White and
writing down his and staff's questions caused him to cut the visit short. This derailed a real
opportunity for learning, connection, trust building, and shared understanding - the things that
will bring our communities closer together.

As for the reported constituent fund donation to the Nation of Islam: if this is true, it is
unacceptable. Louis Farrakhan and NOI have a long history of anti-Semitic, anti-LGBTQ+,
misogynistic, and bigoted words and actions, which we condemn in the strongest terms. We
also encourage people to read Black and Jewish critics of NOI and Farrakhan.

We hope Trayon will request a return of the funds to ensure that the money goes to
supporting his constituents. No constituent funds should have been given to the NOI.

I would really love to hear from other sources as to what actually happened at the Holocaust Museum. Who knows, maybe the reporter did have an agenda. But I also don't really view JUJ as an objective source, either, and it is clear they are desperately looking to accept/promote the version of events that makes White appear the best (or really the least worst).

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Agree! We still have evidence on this thread of the very behavior we are talking about.....the propensity of progressive liberals to explain away very obvious antisemtitism - and who actually get angry at the Jews who are rightly pointing out that any bigotry toward Jewish people is completely unacceptable.

I don't agree that there is obvious anti-Semitism on White's part. Even you are unable to point to obvious anti-Semitism. He didn't know the Rothschilds are Jewish and was spreading his nutty conspiracy theory out of ignorance, not anti-Semitism. He left the tour group because of the reporter and the subsequent article by that reporter demonstrated that White's instincts were correct. This is not "explaining away very obvious anti-Semitism", but simply pointing out that there wasn't obvious anti-Semitism. I can't explain away something that wasn't there in the first place.

Don't you understand the harm that you are doing by describing someone as being an obvious anti-Semite when he is no such thing? Don't you see how that sort of unfair treatment could generate a backlash? How would you react to being publicly described as a racist? Would that make you more or less understanding of people of color?

[Anonymous]

Moderate Jew here who hates Trump. White is an anti-semite and I don't understand why anyone is giving him the time of day. if that is what Ward 8 wants to support, then the people in need in Ward 8 who have been the beneficiaries of countless hours of donated time and lots of donated money to support education, workforce development and create jobs and grow investment in the Ward 8 community can look elsewhere for that kind of support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The quotes from the article about the tour of the Holocaust museum were pretty shocking, TBH.
I know some of the progressive Jewish organizations had been working with him; have any made a statement since the latest kerfuffle?

Jews United for Justice endorsed White when he ran for Council and has been working with him extensively. Here is there statement:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6R_B0pugQTEWTV3dGxzNHVOeFJQcDZvTUdsMHhibTlSenFz/view

Some excerpts:

We have spoken with several people who were present for the museum visit, including a Jewish
leader, who say the Post article isn't an accurate picture. They describe Trayon as sincere in his
desire to learn, and that the vast gaps in knowledge and understanding between Black and
Jewish communities became evident again and again during the tour.

Jews are a people who value questions and learning. We are disappointed that the reporter
chose to portray this Black leader and his staff in the most unflattering possible light possible- as
willfully ignorant, rather than in the middle of a learning process - thereby inflaming tensions at
a time when everyone involved was working toward understanding and bridge building. We
know from first-hand experience that doing this kind of learning can be humbling, awkward, and
hard, and how hurtful our lack of information can be to others.

It is our understanding that that the presence of a reporter trailing Councilmember White and
writing down his and staff's questions caused him to cut the visit short. This derailed a real
opportunity for learning, connection, trust building, and shared understanding - the things that
will bring our communities closer together.

As for the reported constituent fund donation to the Nation of Islam: if this is true, it is
unacceptable. Louis Farrakhan and NOI have a long history of anti-Semitic, anti-LGBTQ+,
misogynistic, and bigoted words and actions, which we condemn in the strongest terms. We
also encourage people to read Black and Jewish critics of NOI and Farrakhan.

We hope Trayon will request a return of the funds to ensure that the money goes to
supporting his constituents. No constituent funds should have been given to the NOI.

I would really love to hear from other sources as to what actually happened at the Holocaust Museum. Who knows, maybe the reporter did have an agenda. But I also don't really view JUJ as an objective source, either, and it is clear they are desperately looking to accept/promote the version of events that makes White appear the best (or really the least worst).

Agree. The JUJ is an extremely liberal and biased group, with its own agenda. It's the same thing as using Breitbart as a source is trying to defend a comservative position.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree! We still have evidence on this thread of the very behavior we are talking about.....the propensity of progressive liberals to explain away very obvious antisemtitism - and who actually get angry at the Jews who are rightly pointing out that any bigotry toward Jewish people is completely unacceptable.

I don't agree that there is obvious anti-Semitism on White's part. Even you are unable to point to obvious anti-Semitism. He didn't know the Rothschilds are Jewish and was spreading his nutty conspiracy theory out of ignorance, not anti-Semitism. He left the tour group because of the reporter and the subsequent article by that reporter demonstrated that White's instincts were correct. This is not "explaining away very obvious anti-Semitism", but simply pointing out that there wasn't obvious anti-Semitism. I can't explain away something that wasn't there in the first place.

Don't you understand the harm that you are doing by describing someone as being an obvious anti-Semite when he is no such thing? Don't you see how that sort of unfair treatment could generate a backlash? How would you react to being publicly described as a racist? Would that make you more or less understanding of people of color?

You are choosing to credit his assertions as to why he left the museum and that the reporter had an agenda. Maybe that is true, but that is far from clear or the only reasonable explanation as to what occurred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can honestly say that I'm less upset by Trayon's White's comments/actions than by the repetitive attempts here to say that they "aren't that bad."

I actually don't care what happens with Trayon White as an individual. What I would like is recognition that anti-semitism among people of color is on the rise, with the cause of the Palestinians a convenient cover for those accusations. For American Jews, it increasingly feels like (mostly mild, "all Jews are like this") anti-semitism is ok on the left and the right. It's alarming.

When you combine it with the rise in real anti-Jewish hate crimes here and around the world, Jews aren't sure what to think. It certainly feels like Jews are the last group anyone wants to defend ...

Trump's approval amongst African Americans is 10% , amongst hispanics 11% , amongst whites ? 53% . Once again the reality doesn't align with your imagination which is what always happen to people who are hell bent on stretching the truth . The man who referred to people who yelled ' Jews will not replace us' has an approval of 53% amongst whites, but the let the facts get on your way .

What does Trump have to do with anti-semitism on the left? They don't like Trump, but that doesn't mean they like Jews.

Exactly. Look at how these liberals are contorting themselves to deny antisemtitism on their side. So because Trayon White doesn't like Trump (assumption on my part), that means he couldn't possibly hold negative views toward Jews? Mr, Whites dislikes Trump for entirely different reasons.

If the left is anti semtitic , it has a strange way of showing it . The left has yet to hold anti Jews rally across the country and what not