Shooting in Reston

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not one of the folks clamoring to know the school, but I think the school thing is relevant because this kid was an open white supremacists and Nazi sympathizer. One would hope that the school, any school, would not welcome kids with those kids of belief systems.

What is a public school going to do about it? He has a right to attend it no matter what his beliefs are.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not one of the folks clamoring to know the school, but I think the school thing is relevant because this kid was an open white supremacists and Nazi sympathizer. One would hope that the school, any school, would not welcome kids with those kids of belief systems.

What is a public school going to do about it? He has a right to attend it no matter what his beliefs are.

The articles state it was a private school. Private schools often have some sort of statement about how they can kick you out even for behavior outside of school. Gotta keep the rep in tact.

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Anonymous wrote:Did the first story say something about madeira school?

Buckley is an alum, according to her Facebook page.

She also went to Potomac

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He must be in pretty bad condition if the DA is not charging him as an adult, why bother if he is not going to make it.

If he is wearing neo nazi shirts in public, his family knew about his beliefs.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope the poor little boy gets his dog back. The rest of his family is gone.

i know I hope so too. He needs the love of that dog right now and the dog must be so frightened right now too.

Might be a good idea to call the Fairfax County shelter and see if they will let someone foster the dog. I'll notify Animal Allies and see if there's something they can do.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to the dog? Why was he separated from the family?

Probably a precaution. I notified Animal Allies and asked them to call and if the dog is still there, to find an emergency foster.

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I want to know how he got the gun. if a parent didn't secure it properly is the parent liable?

I also find it bizarre at this point we don't know the private school.

Even if this boy lives, he won't have much cognitive functioning I assume. How does that work with a trial? What will come of this? I hope his parents share some info and insights. I assume he struggled with mental illness? if so, did they get help? Were they turned away from psychiatric facilities? Was he on meds? Was there anything more that could have done beyond OF COURSE making sure a minor doesn't get a gun? Who indoctrinated him into this ideology? Honestly, I think the family members at some point need to come forward and do something to make sure something decent comes out of this-even if it's a cry for better help for the mentally ill or a acknowledgement that they wished they did more to prevent this. These 2 people cannot die in vain. Something has to come out this that moves things forward either with gun control or mental health care or recognizing warning signs.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to the dog? Why was he separated from the family?

Probably a precaution. I notified Animal Allies and asked them to call and if the dog is still there, to find an emergency foster.

Thank you. What a heartbreaking story and the fact that the family pet is in a concrete cage somewhere makes it even worse.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to the dog? Why was he separated from the family?

Probably a precaution. I notified Animal Allies and asked them to call and if the dog is still there, to find an emergency foster.

Thank you. What a heartbreaking story and the fact that the family pet is in a concrete cage somewhere makes it even worse.

Yes, and please make sure the foster agrees no matter how much they fall in love with the dog, if the boy wants it back now, in a month or in a year it goes to him.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to the dog? Why was he separated from the family?

Probably a precaution. I notified Animal Allies and asked them to call and if the dog is still there, to find an emergency foster.

Thank you. What a heartbreaking story and the fact that the family pet is in a concrete cage somewhere makes it even worse.

Fairfax county shelter has recently had an overhaul and my vet really approves. So there's that. But I'm sure that poor thing is just terrified!

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There is a school out there furiously trying to suppress that their students were involved in this, for the sake of their reputation, and I hope it doesn't work. I don't blame a school for everything their kids do but I do blame them for trying to cover their butts if we find out that's what they're doing.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to the dog? Why was he separated from the family?

Probably a precaution. I notified Animal Allies and asked them to call and if the dog is still there, to find an emergency foster.

Thank you. What a heartbreaking story and the fact that the family pet is in a concrete cage somewhere makes it even worse.

Yes, and please make sure the foster agrees no matter how much they fall in love with the dog, if the boy wants it back now, in a month or in a year it goes to him.

That's what a foster is designed to do. This is a great organization and they will do their best. I know the owners and I'll offer to financially sponsor if needed. We have a full house and one little dog that's not that nice to others, so we can't foster.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe the posts here downplaying the boy's deranged beliefs or suggesting that the Post reported it "without collaboration." (Do you mean confirmation, PP??)

And btw they do have confirmation, from friends of the murdered parents, that makes a strong case that the parents had legitimate concerns that this boy was indoctrinating their daughter into horrifying beliefs. Read the story, you morons.

We did read the story. The "evidence" the mother pointed to were from posts made under an assumed name, which she assumed were the boyfriend. She was concerned because the daughter and boy spent hours on the phone (the mother thought he was trying to indoctrinate her, but there is zero proof of that). Let's just not make assumptions until the facts are known.

what difference does it make whether or not this boy was a neo nazi or the original author of the posts in question that upset the parents? He snuck out of his house, broke into her house, in the middle of the night, brought a gun, and MURDERED both of her parents. Regardless of whether he was a nazi sympathizer or Richard Spencer wanna be, he brought that gun and he killed two people with it. So that alone makes him a pretty horrible person, one that no parent would want their daughter dating.

Posters like the one above, the one saying "let's not make assumptions" are the kind of people saying the same thing after Heather Hayes was killed in Charlottesville. How do you look at yourself in the mirror and believe the bologna that comes out of your mouth? He killed those people. Killed them.

Not the PP. Yes, he did. And the guy who killed Hayes in Charlottesville had a history of medicated mental illness and had beat up his mother. Whether or not EITHER guy espoused Nazi beliefs is only relevant, when you look at the mother's motivation for getting rid of him. She decided to use her social justice card and raise a HUGE stink, notifying the school, calling his parents, etc. She poked a hornet's nest that got her killed, along with her husband.

I have a close friend that has always been somewhat narcissistic, but now has elevated that to a level where I can see it clouding her judgment. As a result, I keep my distance but NEVER poke that hornet's nest. It's VERY important when dealing with malignant personalities to ensure that THEY walk from YOU.

On the one hand, you’ve got a point, op. Perhaps if she had handled it differently they’d be alive today. On the other hand, sounds too much like you’re blaming the victim. So the mom should have known she was dealing with a murderer? Really?

How should a parent have handled it differently? As a parent, what do you do when your child starts expressing beliefs that your family doesn't share, especially when those beliefs can be dangerous?

PP who said that the poster had a point here. Having read The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker, I now realize that obsessed people don't go away when you give them negative attention such as restraining orders. You have to be careful how you withdraw from a relationship like that. I would hope that if that happened to my kid I would have recognized that this kid wasn't just a Nazi but someone who was also deeply disturbed and would have handled it differently from that mom. But give her a break! Maybe it wasn't apparent. She certainly thought she was doing the right thing. I think some of the posters who said she should have handled it differently are using a tone that runs over into blaming the victim. Remember, we all want to believe that we'd do something differently and that that wouldn't happen to us. But mostly we don't know for sure that we'd do anything differently and we don't know for sure if the outcome would have been different. My heart goes out to both families. I hope the murderer survives and goes away to prison for a long, long time. But mostly I hope I remember this story and remain vigilant for these warning signs in the future.

I'm very familiar with Gavin de Becker's work (I've read both The Gift of Fear and Protecting the Gift), and I do agree that the mother handled this situation in the exact wrong way. If anyone wants an understanding of just how wrong this situation was handled, please read those books. HOWEVER, that is not to say that it was the mother's "fault" that she and her husband were killed. The murderer was responsible for his own actions. Buckley should have mitigated the situation instead of playing social justice warrior and repeatedly poking a hornets nest. De Becker would have told Buckley that she needs to take a deep breath, and put aside her desire to be seen by her circle as a social justice warrior. Imagine how embarrassed Buckley must have been - it is almost like she was trying to save face by emailing the cast of thousands about the boy and roping other family members into an intervention. De Becker would have told her to realize she's dealing with a possibly violent wildcard, and to quit poking the hornets nest. Buckley exhibited a poor understanding of both the psychology of teenage rebellion and the psychology of nut bags. However, many people don't understand those things and it doesn't get them murdered. in cold blood, in their home, at a holiday party Imagine how much the daughter must have absolutely hated her mother for her to date a guy who was basically the antithesis of her mother's public persona. There was a lot going on here, including a remarriage and (by all accounts, based on the daughter's last name) a perhaps uninvolved biofather. It is for those reason that I'll be interested to see whether the girl was involved in the murder. The boyfriend could have gotten overwhelmed in the moment and shot himself.

The confrontation and shooting took place at 5 a.m. There was no party. Please stop posting unless you know some facts. I know the deceased. They were wonderful people. Please just stop the armchair psychology and for God's sake, don't criticize Buckley. You have no idea what they went through. It's appalling how DCUMers sit in judgment from the comfort of their screens not having a clue what happened but being oh so quick to judge.

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The Wash Post reported minutes ago that the boy (who is in critical condition but will be charged with two counts of murder) carved a swastika in his lawn in Lorton. But I can't open the story further because I don't have a subscription. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/a-swastika-was-mowed-into-a-field-now-neighbors-ask-if-they-could-have-done-more/2017/12/26/4e190a48-ea63-11e7-8a6a-80acf0774e64_story.html?utm_term=.f2a6feae56bd

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For all those blaming the slain parents of the girlfriend for going to his parents and school, guess what - HIS PARENTS didn't do their damned job. How do we know? Because the Nazi teen had an 'incident' two months earlier that everyone just ignored.

"Neighbors said the display of hate in a Lorton, Va. community was as large as it was shocking: a swastika roughly 40-feet across mowed into the grass of a community field.

Tire marks from a riding mower ran from the lot, up a road to the home of a teen known as troubled in the neighborhood, leaving little mystery as to the perpetrator, a neighbor said. Residents of Gunston Manor were soon debating how to handle the situation: go to police or talk to the teen’s family directly?

The latter plan won out and now some regret that decision. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/a-swastika-was-mowed-into-a-field-now-neighbors-ask-if-they-could-have-done-more/2017/12/26/4e190a48-ea63-11e7-8a6a-80acf0774e64_story.html?utm_term=.c1ec49acc6b6