Jon Stewart dismissing Louis CK abuse allegations

[Anonymous]

Again, op or pp,

You haven't posted respected news source, however this clip is cherry picking from the past and isn't news. It's attention grabbing yes. News no. Read what I and others have wrote. Some of us disagree with your characterization of Stewart's response to a question asked to him a year ago as dissmissive and mocking. This has nothing to do with how serious the subject is. You trying to assert that everyone thinks this, is a cognitive distortion that you can't seem to let go. It's the way 5th grade girls fight--everyone hates you mentality.

I disagree with your characterization of the clip. Live with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, op or pp,

You haven't posted respected news source, however this clip is cherry picking from the past and isn't news. It's attention grabbing yes. News no. Read what I and others have wrote. Some of us disagree with your characterization of Stewart's response to a question asked to him a year ago as dissmissive and mocking. This has nothing to do with how serious the subject is. You trying to assert that everyone thinks this, is a cognitive distortion that you can't seem to let go. It's the way 5th grade girls fight--everyone hates you mentality.

I disagree with your characterization of the clip. Live with it.

You can disagree with our characterization of the clip. I simply asked you to address why all respected news sources have called it mocking and dismissive. Or to post a link of a respected news source were they feel he handled it respectfully, as described. Either should be quite simple.

Your failure to do so is quite transparent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, op or pp,

You haven't posted respected news source, however this clip is cherry picking from the past and isn't news. It's attention grabbing yes. News no. Read what I and others have wrote. Some of us disagree with your characterization of Stewart's response to a question asked to him a year ago as dissmissive and mocking. This has nothing to do with how serious the subject is. You trying to assert that everyone thinks this, is a cognitive distortion that you can't seem to let go. It's the way 5th grade girls fight--everyone hates you mentality.

I disagree with your characterization of the clip. Live with it.

You can disagree with our characterization of the clip. I simply asked you to address why all respected news sources have called it mocking and dismissive. Or to post a link of a respected news source were they feel he handled it respectfully, as described. Either should be quite simple.

Your failure to do so is quite transparent.

I have no idea what you read, I'm not a mind reader. There's no all--there is the unrepresentative sample of people who post online.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so sick of smug men who think they get to decide what’s worthy of discussion.

THIS x100000000000000000000000000000

Yes. I feel slightly better about this knowing it is from 2016 and not like today, but still. Oh because someone saw it on social media it's not a thing Jon? Okie dokie.

His smugness is pretty insufferable. Hopefully he feels dumb about this now.

Come on - he was dismissive of the idea that he should know about and then base his interview questions on social media rumors that were pretty obscure at the time. The kid cited a podcast and "a couple of tweets" for his implication that Jon should have known. That WAS a laughable suggestion. Jon was totally serious about the actual issue of sexual assault, not smug at all.

The two bickering posters have not addressed this point. It seems possible that he was both mocking the basis for the claims (tweets, which Stewart publicly hates) and taking the sexual harassment claims as seriously as the time and facts provided allowed.

Jon must be REALLY out of the loop in his chosen field of work then. Tons of prominent comedians have come out this week admitting that it was an open secret. It should almost be concerning to him that he’s so clueless about the goings on in his own industry. Perhaps being so ignorant is a privilege afforded to him by being a rich white man.

Also, these days a lot of legitimate news is broken by Twitter. We don’t all sit down to watch the six o’clock news on tv anymore.

Not the poster who has posted 1.2 million times, but Stewart publicly hated and put no stock in social media. He addressed it on his show pretty often, which is why it was "funny" that someone would expect him to put stock in twitter. That makes him a bit of a dinosaur in that respect, but again, being dismissive/mocking of tweets doesn't really answer the question. I have no idea how "in the know" he was on comedian rumors given his relatively powerful position, and I choose not to assume the worst about people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, op or pp,

You haven't posted respected news source, however this clip is cherry picking from the past and isn't news. It's attention grabbing yes. News no. Read what I and others have wrote. Some of us disagree with your characterization of Stewart's response to a question asked to him a year ago as dissmissive and mocking. This has nothing to do with how serious the subject is. You trying to assert that everyone thinks this, is a cognitive distortion that you can't seem to let go. It's the way 5th grade girls fight--everyone hates you mentality.

I disagree with your characterization of the clip. Live with it.

You can disagree with our characterization of the clip. I simply asked you to address why all respected news sources have called it mocking and dismissive. Or to post a link of a respected news source were they feel he handled it respectfully, as described. Either should be quite simple.

Your failure to do so is quite transparent.

I have no idea what you read, I'm not a mind reader. There's no all--there is the unrepresentative sample of people who post online.

No one's expecting you to be a mind reader. We have documented pieces on how people feel about the interaction. And you've acknowledged that "all the articles" we've seen have said he was mocking and dismissive. By all means, go ahead and post an article from a legitimate news source which agrees with your characterization of it.

We've been waiting a while. Any time now...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so sick of smug men who think they get to decide what’s worthy of discussion.

THIS x100000000000000000000000000000

Yes. I feel slightly better about this knowing it is from 2016 and not like today, but still. Oh because someone saw it on social media it's not a thing Jon? Okie dokie.

His smugness is pretty insufferable. Hopefully he feels dumb about this now.

Come on - he was dismissive of the idea that he should know about and then base his interview questions on social media rumors that were pretty obscure at the time. The kid cited a podcast and "a couple of tweets" for his implication that Jon should have known. That WAS a laughable suggestion. Jon was totally serious about the actual issue of sexual assault, not smug at all.

The two bickering posters have not addressed this point. It seems possible that he was both mocking the basis for the claims (tweets, which Stewart publicly hates) and taking the sexual harassment claims as seriously as the time and facts provided allowed.

Jon must be REALLY out of the loop in his chosen field of work then. Tons of prominent comedians have come out this week admitting that it was an open secret. It should almost be concerning to him that he’s so clueless about the goings on in his own industry. Perhaps being so ignorant is a privilege afforded to him by being a rich white man.

Also, these days a lot of legitimate news is broken by Twitter. We don’t all sit down to watch the six o’clock news on tv anymore.

Not the poster who has posted 1.2 million times, but Stewart publicly hated and put no stock in social media. He addressed it on his show pretty often, which is why it was "funny" that someone would expect him to put stock in twitter. That makes him a bit of a dinosaur in that respect, but again, being dismissive/mocking of tweets doesn't really answer the question. I have no idea how "in the know" he was on comedian rumors given his relatively powerful position, and I choose not to assume the worst about people.

Except there was a podcast, there were tweets, there was a gawker piece, there were plenty of rumors. Perhaps Stewart needs to reevaluate his "all tweets" are garbage position, rather than ignoring all the pieces of evidence just because some came in that form.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so sick of smug men who think they get to decide what’s worthy of discussion.

THIS x100000000000000000000000000000

Yes. I feel slightly better about this knowing it is from 2016 and not like today, but still. Oh because someone saw it on social media it's not a thing Jon? Okie dokie.

His smugness is pretty insufferable. Hopefully he feels dumb about this now.

Come on - he was dismissive of the idea that he should know about and then base his interview questions on social media rumors that were pretty obscure at the time. The kid cited a podcast and "a couple of tweets" for his implication that Jon should have known. That WAS a laughable suggestion. Jon was totally serious about the actual issue of sexual assault, not smug at all.

The two bickering posters have not addressed this point. It seems possible that he was both mocking the basis for the claims (tweets, which Stewart publicly hates) and taking the sexual harassment claims as seriously as the time and facts provided allowed.

Jon must be REALLY out of the loop in his chosen field of work then. Tons of prominent comedians have come out this week admitting that it was an open secret. It should almost be concerning to him that he’s so clueless about the goings on in his own industry. Perhaps being so ignorant is a privilege afforded to him by being a rich white man.

Also, these days a lot of legitimate news is broken by Twitter. We don’t all sit down to watch the six o’clock news on tv anymore.

Not the poster who has posted 1.2 million times, but Stewart publicly hated and put no stock in social media. He addressed it on his show pretty often, which is why it was "funny" that someone would expect him to put stock in twitter. That makes him a bit of a dinosaur in that respect, but again, being dismissive/mocking of tweets doesn't really answer the question. I have no idea how "in the know" he was on comedian rumors given his relatively powerful position, and I choose not to assume the worst about people.

Not one of the posters in this most current argument - haven't posted on this thread in a while.

Jon isn't a monster but he's definitely part of the problem. I don't even know what it means to put no stock in social media in 2016. Sorry, but that's a lame excuse. It's no different then Trump saying he puts no stock in CNN or NBC. He may not prefer to use it, but every major news source is incredibly active on social media. He is basically saying that women have to run to the NY Times and report Louis in order for them to be taken seriously.

What is disturbing to some of us, is that many people dismissed this as gossip, as a PP pointed out. We need to ask ourselves why any woman would want to spread such an embarrassing story about herself. If I'm trying to make my name in an industry, I don't want to start rumors that I was a room where a man was jerking off in front of me. It's not exactly flattering. It's embarrassing. Why do we just automatically hear something like that and think it's gossip.

I do think he made the kid look foolish, and not the idea of twitter or tweets. Look at the kid, he was getting more nervous as he spoke but he stood his ground. Jon just sat there with this grin on his face for an awkward while, and people laughed. To me, he was making the kid look ridiculous or crazy for asking.

It's great if Jon didn't ever harass women or assault them or use his power like some other men did. But in this clip, he sure looks complicit and not part of the solution.

I still like Jon Stewart and admire his work on the Daily Show. But clips like this make me realize just how privileged being a white, straight dude can be sometimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so sick of smug men who think they get to decide what’s worthy of discussion.

THIS x100000000000000000000000000000

Yes. I feel slightly better about this knowing it is from 2016 and not like today, but still. Oh because someone saw it on social media it's not a thing Jon? Okie dokie.

His smugness is pretty insufferable. Hopefully he feels dumb about this now.

Come on - he was dismissive of the idea that he should know about and then base his interview questions on social media rumors that were pretty obscure at the time. The kid cited a podcast and "a couple of tweets" for his implication that Jon should have known. That WAS a laughable suggestion. Jon was totally serious about the actual issue of sexual assault, not smug at all.

The two bickering posters have not addressed this point. It seems possible that he was both mocking the basis for the claims (tweets, which Stewart publicly hates) and taking the sexual harassment claims as seriously as the time and facts provided allowed.

Jon must be REALLY out of the loop in his chosen field of work then. Tons of prominent comedians have come out this week admitting that it was an open secret. It should almost be concerning to him that he’s so clueless about the goings on in his own industry. Perhaps being so ignorant is a privilege afforded to him by being a rich white man.

Also, these days a lot of legitimate news is broken by Twitter. We don’t all sit down to watch the six o’clock news on tv anymore.

Not the poster who has posted 1.2 million times, but Stewart publicly hated and put no stock in social media. He addressed it on his show pretty often, which is why it was "funny" that someone would expect him to put stock in twitter. That makes him a bit of a dinosaur in that respect, but again, being dismissive/mocking of tweets doesn't really answer the question. I have no idea how "in the know" he was on comedian rumors given his relatively powerful position, and I choose not to assume the worst about people.

Not one of the posters in this most current argument - haven't posted on this thread in a while.

Jon isn't a monster but he's definitely part of the problem. I don't even know what it means to put no stock in social media in 2016. Sorry, but that's a lame excuse. It's no different then Trump saying he puts no stock in CNN or NBC. He may not prefer to use it, but every major news source is incredibly active on social media. He is basically saying that women have to run to the NY Times and report Louis in order for them to be taken seriously.

What is disturbing to some of us, is that many people dismissed this as gossip, as a PP pointed out. We need to ask ourselves why any woman would want to spread such an embarrassing story about herself. If I'm trying to make my name in an industry, I don't want to start rumors that I was a room where a man was jerking off in front of me. It's not exactly flattering. It's embarrassing. Why do we just automatically hear something like that and think it's gossip.

I do think he made the kid look foolish, and not the idea of twitter or tweets. Look at the kid, he was getting more nervous as he spoke but he stood his ground. Jon just sat there with this grin on his face for an awkward while, and people laughed. To me, he was making the kid look ridiculous or crazy for asking.

It's great if Jon didn't ever harass women or assault them or use his power like some other men did. But in this clip, he sure looks complicit and not part of the solution.

I still like Jon Stewart and admire his work on the Daily Show. But clips like this make me realize just how privileged being a white, straight dude can be sometimes.

Incredibly well said. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, op or pp,

You haven't posted respected news source, however this clip is cherry picking from the past and isn't news. It's attention grabbing yes. News no. Read what I and others have wrote. Some of us disagree with your characterization of Stewart's response to a question asked to him a year ago as dissmissive and mocking. This has nothing to do with how serious the subject is. You trying to assert that everyone thinks this, is a cognitive distortion that you can't seem to let go. It's the way 5th grade girls fight--everyone hates you mentality.

I disagree with your characterization of the clip. Live with it.

You can disagree with our characterization of the clip. I simply asked you to address why all respected news sources have called it mocking and dismissive. Or to post a link of a respected news source were they feel he handled it respectfully, as described. Either should be quite simple.

Your failure to do so is quite transparent.

I have no idea what you read, I'm not a mind reader. There's no all--there is the unrepresentative sample of people who post online.

No one's expecting you to be a mind reader. We have documented pieces on how people feel about the interaction. And you've acknowledged that "all the articles" we've seen have said he was mocking and dismissive. By all means, go ahead and post an article from a legitimate news source which agrees with your characterization of it.

We've been waiting a while. Any time now...

This is why I think you're a troll. You put an argument out there that's ridiculous and expect people to prove/disprove it. Trump does this all the time like his assertion that Obama tapped his phones. Shame on the site administrator for indulging you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, op or pp,

You haven't posted respected news source, however this clip is cherry picking from the past and isn't news. It's attention grabbing yes. News no. Read what I and others have wrote. Some of us disagree with your characterization of Stewart's response to a question asked to him a year ago as dissmissive and mocking. This has nothing to do with how serious the subject is. You trying to assert that everyone thinks this, is a cognitive distortion that you can't seem to let go. It's the way 5th grade girls fight--everyone hates you mentality.

I disagree with your characterization of the clip. Live with it.

You can disagree with our characterization of the clip. I simply asked you to address why all respected news sources have called it mocking and dismissive. Or to post a link of a respected news source were they feel he handled it respectfully, as described. Either should be quite simple.

Your failure to do so is quite transparent.

I have no idea what you read, I'm not a mind reader. There's no all--there is the unrepresentative sample of people who post online.

No one's expecting you to be a mind reader. We have documented pieces on how people feel about the interaction. And you've acknowledged that "all the articles" we've seen have said he was mocking and dismissive. By all means, go ahead and post an article from a legitimate news source which agrees with your characterization of it.

We've been waiting a while. Any time now...

This is why I think you're a troll. You put an argument out there that's ridiculous and expect people to prove/disprove it. Trump does this all the time like his assertion that Obama tapped his phones. Shame on the site administrator for indulging you.

Ridiculous. When literally all the articles agree with me, and you cant produce a single legitimate one that doesn't, you need to seriously analyze your position before having the gall to call me ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so sick of smug men who think they get to decide what’s worthy of discussion.

THIS x100000000000000000000000000000

Yes. I feel slightly better about this knowing it is from 2016 and not like today, but still. Oh because someone saw it on social media it's not a thing Jon? Okie dokie.

His smugness is pretty insufferable. Hopefully he feels dumb about this now.

Come on - he was dismissive of the idea that he should know about and then base his interview questions on social media rumors that were pretty obscure at the time. The kid cited a podcast and "a couple of tweets" for his implication that Jon should have known. That WAS a laughable suggestion. Jon was totally serious about the actual issue of sexual assault, not smug at all.

The two bickering posters have not addressed this point. It seems possible that he was both mocking the basis for the claims (tweets, which Stewart publicly hates) and taking the sexual harassment claims as seriously as the time and facts provided allowed.

Jon must be REALLY out of the loop in his chosen field of work then. Tons of prominent comedians have come out this week admitting that it was an open secret. It should almost be concerning to him that he’s so clueless about the goings on in his own industry. Perhaps being so ignorant is a privilege afforded to him by being a rich white man.

Also, these days a lot of legitimate news is broken by Twitter. We don’t all sit down to watch the six o’clock news on tv anymore.

Not the poster who has posted 1.2 million times, but Stewart publicly hated and put no stock in social media. He addressed it on his show pretty often, which is why it was "funny" that someone would expect him to put stock in twitter. That makes him a bit of a dinosaur in that respect, but again, being dismissive/mocking of tweets doesn't really answer the question. I have no idea how "in the know" he was on comedian rumors given his relatively powerful position, and I choose not to assume the worst about people.

Not one of the posters in this most current argument - haven't posted on this thread in a while.

Jon isn't a monster but he's definitely part of the problem. I don't even know what it means to put no stock in social media in 2016. Sorry, but that's a lame excuse. It's no different then Trump saying he puts no stock in CNN or NBC. He may not prefer to use it, but every major news source is incredibly active on social media. He is basically saying that women have to run to the NY Times and report Louis in order for them to be taken seriously.

What is disturbing to some of us, is that many people dismissed this as gossip, as a PP pointed out. We need to ask ourselves why any woman would want to spread such an embarrassing story about herself. If I'm trying to make my name in an industry, I don't want to start rumors that I was a room where a man was jerking off in front of me. It's not exactly flattering. It's embarrassing. Why do we just automatically hear something like that and think it's gossip.

I do think he made the kid look foolish, and not the idea of twitter or tweets. Look at the kid, he was getting more nervous as he spoke but he stood his ground. Jon just sat there with this grin on his face for an awkward while, and people laughed. To me, he was making the kid look ridiculous or crazy for asking.

It's great if Jon didn't ever harass women or assault them or use his power like some other men did. But in this clip, he sure looks complicit and not part of the solution.

I still like Jon Stewart and admire his work on the Daily Show. But clips like this make me realize just how privileged being a white, straight dude can be sometimes.

Incredibly well said. Thank you.

PP here. I actually agree with most of what you wrote. I only disagree with the term "complicit," which by definition means involvement in the wrongdoing. I think he was not part of the solution in the same way that virtually all other comedians were not part of the solution, but I'm on the fence about whether his position meant that he was morally obligated to be in the know about rumors, try to verify them, etc. I also think there is a ton of privilege that comes with power and success, irrespective of gender and race (e.g., Bill Cosby), and I think that is incredibly hard to address systemically.

[Anonymous]

^by hiring him to be on his final show, dismissing the charges against him and mocking the person who brought it up... yes, he is absolutely complicit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^by hiring him to be on his final show, dismissing the charges against him and mocking the person who brought it up... yes, he is absolutely complicit.

Thanks, ivanka, but that's not what complicit means.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^by hiring him to be on his final show, dismissing the charges against him and mocking the person who brought it up... yes, he is absolutely complicit.

Thanks, ivanka, but that's not what complicit means.

Yes... actually it is. Take your meds, btw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^by hiring him to be on his final show, dismissing the charges against him and mocking the person who brought it up... yes, he is absolutely complicit.

DP. Good points. I think especially mocking a nervous and well meaning college student to protect your rich and powerful buddy crosses a line for me.