why do people prefer AP schools to IB?

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: IB costs significantly more and more people prefer AP in any case.

Sure fire information that will ensure the SB never changes it. It makes too much sense to eliminate IB programs in some of the schools.

Where did you find that IB costs significantly more? I pointed you to the Program Budget but you haven't taken the time to look at it. The numbers from the Budget Questions show that the testing fees for IB are approximately half a million per year - total. The IB Coordinators also teach. There are other benefits to the school system from IB, including development of the teachers (which FCPS pays lots of consultants for in AP schools) and a rigorous testing program that is graded by unaffiliated experts - these tests also allow for IB students and theschool division to be ranked against competition from around the world. Finally, IB is a well regarded and accepted program for many international students who may come here for postings and then return to their foreign universities - U.S. citizens who are posted overseas often have IB programs in local schools and can continue their instruction when they are posted back to this area.

Your simple assertions are uninformed and you are too lazy to make the effort to learn even the basics - these are not qualities that lead to success in either AP or IB.

Those numbers did not include the required additional IB staff at each IB school. So the cost is probably over one million more for far fewer IB schools and students.

Still deducing without looking up the data - even when I told you where to look. You may be right. You maybe wrong. You've added nothing. Sad.

I can't see how you're contributing much of value to this thread. Implying that IB is justified for close to 1/3 of the county's high and secondary schools because there are a handful of foreign students who may head off to foreign universities or returning ex-pats who've been in IB schools abroad are extremely weak arguments, and not responsive to OP's question as to why AP is the preferred curriculum.

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I can't see how you're contributing much of value to this thread. Implying that IB is justified for close to 1/3 of the county's high and secondary schools because there are a handful of foreign students who may head off to foreign universities or returning ex-pats who've been in IB schools abroad are extremely weak arguments, and not responsive to OP's question as to why AP is the preferred curriculum.

Even though we have lots of expats here and some foreign students who MAY go off to foreign universities, we have far more students who move here from other areas of Virginia and the US. My neighbors whose kids are going back to their home country to study usually put them in private schools that cater to their own system of education.

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Still deducing without looking up the data - even when I told you where to look. You may be right. You maybe wrong. You've added nothing. Sad.

Funny. If you want to make your argument, shouldn't you put up the #'s? I already pointed out that you were mistaken on the question about the registration fee and test scores. PP pointed out that extra personnel are hired, as well. We know that to be true. Why should we look up something that is already proven?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: IB costs significantly more and more people prefer AP in any case.

Sure fire information that will ensure the SB never changes it. It makes too much sense to eliminate IB programs in some of the schools.

You are confusing "people prefer AP" with "people prefer to buy real estate in school districts that happen to be zoned to AP schools". You don't know that people buy there BECAUSE of AP offerings at schools, or that they wouldn't be if AP was not offered. The fact that Marshall is an IB school did not slow down the buying in its district. Quality of schools is a factor of SES of people zoned for these schools. An IB school in a rich area will be better than an AP school in a poor area. I sincerely hope that is not a surprise to you.

DP here. In that general area near Tysons, Langley, McLean and Madison are the three sought-after schools, and they are all AP.

They aren't sought after because they are AP, they are sought after because of SES in their catchment districts, which higher than that in Marshall district. Marshall High performs better and is more desirable than say, Falls Church High - AP school.

NP. Very true. We're zoned for Falls Church and a huge percentage of the high school students in our neighborhood pupil place to Marshall.

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NP. Very true. We're zoned for Falls Church and a huge percentage of the high school students in our neighborhood pupil place to Marshall.

And, they pupil place to Marshall because of the SES --not IB.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: IB costs significantly more and more people prefer AP in any case.

Sure fire information that will ensure the SB never changes it. It makes too much sense to eliminate IB programs in some of the schools.

You are confusing "people prefer AP" with "people prefer to buy real estate in school districts that happen to be zoned to AP schools". You don't know that people buy there BECAUSE of AP offerings at schools, or that they wouldn't be if AP was not offered. The fact that Marshall is an IB school did not slow down the buying in its district. Quality of schools is a factor of SES of people zoned for these schools. An IB school in a rich area will be better than an AP school in a poor area. I sincerely hope that is not a surprise to you.

DP here. In that general area near Tysons, Langley, McLean and Madison are the three sought-after schools, and they are all AP.

They aren't sought after because they are AP, they are sought after because of SES in their catchment districts, which higher than that in Marshall district. Marshall High performs better and is more desirable than say, Falls Church High - AP school.

NP. Very true. We're zoned for Falls Church and a huge percentage of the high school students in our neighborhood pupil place to Marshall.

Not true. Annandale and Stuart are the primary IB options for most Falls Church students. And transfers out of Falls Church will drop significantly when the school is renovated. It's a dump right now, like Marshall was for many years before its renovation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: IB costs significantly more and more people prefer AP in any case.

Sure fire information that will ensure the SB never changes it. It makes too much sense to eliminate IB programs in some of the schools.

You are confusing "people prefer AP" with "people prefer to buy real estate in school districts that happen to be zoned to AP schools". You don't know that people buy there BECAUSE of AP offerings at schools, or that they wouldn't be if AP was not offered. The fact that Marshall is an IB school did not slow down the buying in its district. Quality of schools is a factor of SES of people zoned for these schools. An IB school in a rich area will be better than an AP school in a poor area. I sincerely hope that is not a surprise to you.

DP here. In that general area near Tysons, Langley, McLean and Madison are the three sought-after schools, and they are all AP.

They aren't sought after because they are AP, they are sought after because of SES in their catchment districts, which higher than that in Marshall district. Marshall High performs better and is more desirable than say, Falls Church High - AP school.

NP. Very true. We're zoned for Falls Church and a huge percentage of the high school students in our neighborhood pupil place to Marshall.

Not true. Annandale and Stuart are the primary IB options for most Falls Church students. And transfers out of Falls Church will drop significantly when the school is renovated. It's a dump right now, like Marshall was for many years before its renovation.

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Annandale and Stuart aren't options for us, as Marshall is geographically closer, so not sure how you can say my statement about my own neighborhood isn't true. As a PP noted, SES is the driving factor, not AP vs. IB.

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Annandale and Stuart aren't options for us, as Marshall is geographically closer, so not sure how you can say my statement about my own neighborhood isn't true. As a PP noted, SES is the driving factor, not AP vs. IB.

Yes. And, the only reason that PP is allowed is because it is "IB preference'. Another reason to put AP in all schools. It would be interesting to see which schools have the most outplacement for IB. That used to be available, but I don't think it is anymore. Does anyone know?

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Annandale and Stuart aren't options for us, as Marshall is geographically closer, so not sure how you can say my statement about my own neighborhood isn't true. As a PP noted, SES is the driving factor, not AP vs. IB.

Yes. And, the only reason that PP is allowed is because it is "IB preference'. Another reason to put AP in all schools. It would be interesting to see which schools have the most outplacement for IB. That used to be available, but I don't think it is anymore. Does anyone know?

Until and unless the practice is disallowed completely, families will always find a way to pupil place from lower SES schools to higher ones. Take away AP vs. IB and it will be about foreign language.

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Annandale and Stuart aren't options for us, as Marshall is geographically closer, so not sure how you can say my statement about my own neighborhood isn't true. As a PP noted, SES is the driving factor, not AP vs. IB.

Yes. And, the only reason that PP is allowed is because it is "IB preference'. Another reason to put AP in all schools. It would be interesting to see which schools have the most outplacement for IB. That used to be available, but I don't think it is anymore. Does anyone know?

Until and unless the practice is disallowed completely, families will always find a way to pupil place from lower SES schools to higher ones. Take away AP vs. IB and it will be about foreign language.

FCPS used to be much tougher on allowing transfers, just like it used to be tougher on GT/AAP appeals.

Requiring a student to take Chinese or Russian as the price of admission would be a significantly greater hurdle than the current practice of only requiring a couple of AP (or IB, in the few cases where the IB school is the higher SES school) in core subjects.

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Requiring a student to take Chinese or Russian as the price of admission would be a significantly greater hurdle than the current practice of only requiring a couple of AP (or IB, in the few cases where the IB school is the higher SES school) in core subjects.

great point

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I heard that after you transferred to IB, you could drop the diploma program and they'd let you stay there. Is that still true?

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that after you transferred to IB, you could drop the diploma program and they'd let you stay there. Is that still true?

Bet it is. I doubt anyone checks.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that after you transferred to IB, you could drop the diploma program and they'd let you stay there. Is that still true?

Practices differ in different jurisdictions. In FCPS, you aren't required to commit to the full IB diploma program or a heavy load of AP courses in order to pupil place. You only have to agree to take four AP or IB courses before you graduate, and three by the end of junior year. APS may be more stringent.

[Anonymous]

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Annandale and Stuart aren't options for us, as Marshall is geographically closer, so not sure how you can say my statement about my own neighborhood isn't true. As a PP noted, SES is the driving factor, not AP vs. IB.

Yes. And, the only reason that PP is allowed is because it is "IB preference'. Another reason to put AP in all schools. It would be interesting to see which schools have the most outplacement for IB. That used to be available, but I don't think it is anymore. Does anyone know?

Ideally, all schools would offer both.