why do people prefer AP schools to IB?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually, according to the Madison principal, Madison (the stronger school) caps the number of pupil placements it will accept to roughly equal the number of students transferring out for IB. Otherwise, it would get additional pupil placements from Marshall and South Lakes, and the school is already full. I heard some other AP schools are even more restrictive now on allowing pupil placements from IB schools.

So how many pupil place from Marshall to Fall Church for AP? Pretty sure Falls Church hasn't had to limit the number of students transferring in...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a conceit to think having four IB schools would make them "magnets." It's the AP schools in the higher SES areas that are truly magnets, as they attract the highest achieving students.

The only way to have an IB "magnet" is to limit admission and then require students to seek the full diploma, as at RM in MoCo. Otherwise you just have one more school that would be better served by AP.

They serve as a magnet because typically about 3-4 other high schools feed into them. This is the way Marshall High School is working now.

Yes, but on the other hand many people avoid the Marshall district entirely because it's IB. You have to consider the net effect.

Except the flip is also true. We have a preference for IB and avoided homes zoned for Madison, McLean, Woodson, etc.

[Anonymous]

the data I find is dated but here it is: http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:109:6449408519455::NO:0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:070,0 it's in a pdf file.

Look at the Mobility Report - pg. 15 shows the R2 intra-county transfers by HS (16 for Madison and 15 for Marshall in 2014-15). So, the 100 transfers for each of Madison and Marshall reported earlier must be the total for four years (i.e.~25/yr). The source and destination schools are not reported in this Report. It reports a total of 582 students making intra-county transfers (presumably equivalent to pupil placements) in 2014-15.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a conceit to think having four IB schools would make them "magnets." It's the AP schools in the higher SES areas that are truly magnets, as they attract the highest achieving students.

The only way to have an IB "magnet" is to limit admission and then require students to seek the full diploma, as at RM in MoCo. Otherwise you just have one more school that would be better served by AP.

They serve as a magnet because typically about 3-4 other high schools feed into them. This is the way Marshall High School is working now.

Yes, but on the other hand many people avoid the Marshall district entirely because it's IB. You have to consider the net effect.

Except the flip is also true. We have a preference for IB and avoided homes zoned for Madison, McLean, Woodson, etc.

There are more of the former than the latter. Prices for homes in the Madison and McLean districts (AP) are considerably higher than in the Marshall (IB) district, including in adjacent neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the data I find is dated but here it is: http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:109:6449408519455::NO:0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:070,0 it's in a pdf file.

Look at the Mobility Report - pg. 15 shows the R2 intra-county transfers by HS (16 for Madison and 15 for Marshall in 2014-15). So, the 100 transfers for each of Madison and Marshall reported earlier must be the total for four years (i.e.~25/yr). The source and destination schools are not reported in this Report. It reports a total of 582 students making intra-county transfers (presumably equivalent to pupil placements) in 2014-15.

It's not obvious that the mobility report numbers reflect pupil placements at all. The R2 numbers would seem to track a student who started at Marshall in September (now August) and then moved into the Madison district in December, or vice versa.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a conceit to think having four IB schools would make them "magnets." It's the AP schools in the higher SES areas that are truly magnets, as they attract the highest achieving students.

The only way to have an IB "magnet" is to limit admission and then require students to seek the full diploma, as at RM in MoCo. Otherwise you just have one more school that would be better served by AP.

They serve as a magnet because typically about 3-4 other high schools feed into them. This is the way Marshall High School is working now.

Yes, but on the other hand many people avoid the Marshall district entirely because it's IB. You have to consider the net effect.

Except the flip is also true. We have a preference for IB and avoided homes zoned for Madison, McLean, Woodson, etc.

There are more of the former than the latter. Prices for homes in the Madison and McLean districts (AP) are considerably higher than in the Marshall (IB) district, including in adjacent neighborhoods.

Higher because the Marshall district is IB or because it's higher-FARMS? Impossible to say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a conceit to think having four IB schools would make them "magnets." It's the AP schools in the higher SES areas that are truly magnets, as they attract the highest achieving students.

The only way to have an IB "magnet" is to limit admission and then require students to seek the full diploma, as at RM in MoCo. Otherwise you just have one more school that would be better served by AP.

They serve as a magnet because typically about 3-4 other high schools feed into them. This is the way Marshall High School is working now.

Yes, but on the other hand many people avoid the Marshall district entirely because it's IB. You have to consider the net effect.

Except the flip is also true. We have a preference for IB and avoided homes zoned for Madison, McLean, Woodson, etc.

There are more of the former than the latter. Prices for homes in the Madison and McLean districts (AP) are considerably higher than in the Marshall (IB) district, including in adjacent neighborhoods.

Which is why having some IB schools separated from each other is fine. There is a desire for it in the County. Just not 4 next door to each other.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the data I find is dated but here it is: http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:109:6449408519455::NO:0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:070,0 it's in a pdf file.

Look at the Mobility Report - pg. 15 shows the R2 intra-county transfers by HS (16 for Madison and 15 for Marshall in 2014-15). So, the 100 transfers for each of Madison and Marshall reported earlier must be the total for four years (i.e.~25/yr). The source and destination schools are not reported in this Report. It reports a total of 582 students making intra-county transfers (presumably equivalent to pupil placements) in 2014-15.

It's not obvious that the mobility report numbers reflect pupil placements at all. The R2 numbers would seem to track a student who started at Marshall in September (now August) and then moved into the Madison district in December, or vice versa.

It seems unlikely that approximately the same number of families are moving between districts each year and that the total students matches the reported numbers of pupil placement - but I can't confirm that R2 = pp. If I find some more information I'll come back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a conceit to think having four IB schools would make them "magnets." It's the AP schools in the higher SES areas that are truly magnets, as they attract the highest achieving students.

The only way to have an IB "magnet" is to limit admission and then require students to seek the full diploma, as at RM in MoCo. Otherwise you just have one more school that would be better served by AP.

They serve as a magnet because typically about 3-4 other high schools feed into them. This is the way Marshall High School is working now.

Yes, but on the other hand many people avoid the Marshall district entirely because it's IB. You have to consider the net effect.

Except the flip is also true. We have a preference for IB and avoided homes zoned for Madison, McLean, Woodson, etc.

There are more of the former than the latter. Prices for homes in the Madison and McLean districts (AP) are considerably higher than in the Marshall (IB) district, including in adjacent neighborhoods.

Higher because the Marshall district is IB or because it's higher-FARMS? Impossible to say.

The lowest-FARMS schools are all AP and a low FARMS school where FCPS tried to replace AP with IB objected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the data I find is dated but here it is: http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:109:6449408519455::NO:0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:070,0 it's in a pdf file.

Look at the Mobility Report - pg. 15 shows the R2 intra-county transfers by HS (16 for Madison and 15 for Marshall in 2014-15). So, the 100 transfers for each of Madison and Marshall reported earlier must be the total for four years (i.e.~25/yr). The source and destination schools are not reported in this Report. It reports a total of 582 students making intra-county transfers (presumably equivalent to pupil placements) in 2014-15.

Interesting that Robinson's mobility rate is among the lowest in the county (second only to Langley and TJ).

[Anonymous]

Is the Marshall poster suggesting most people in the area prefer IB to AP? It's clear that's not the case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a conceit to think having four IB schools would make them "magnets." It's the AP schools in the higher SES areas that are truly magnets, as they attract the highest achieving students.

The only way to have an IB "magnet" is to limit admission and then require students to seek the full diploma, as at RM in MoCo. Otherwise you just have one more school that would be better served by AP.

They serve as a magnet because typically about 3-4 other high schools feed into them. This is the way Marshall High School is working now.

Yes, but on the other hand many people avoid the Marshall district entirely because it's IB. You have to consider the net effect.

Except the flip is also true. We have a preference for IB and avoided homes zoned for Madison, McLean, Woodson, etc.

There are more of the former than the latter. Prices for homes in the Madison and McLean districts (AP) are considerably higher than in the Marshall (IB) district, including in adjacent neighborhoods.

Higher because the Marshall district is IB or because it's higher-FARMS? Impossible to say.

The lowest-FARMS schools are all AP and a low FARMS school where FCPS tried to replace AP with IB objected.

Repeating this argument over and over doesn't make it logically sound.

[Anonymous]

The lowest-FARMS schools are all AP and a low FARMS school where FCPS tried to replace AP with IB objected.

Which school was that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the data I find is dated but here it is: http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:109:6449408519455::NO:0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:070,0 it's in a pdf file.

Look at the Mobility Report - pg. 15 shows the R2 intra-county transfers by HS (16 for Madison and 15 for Marshall in 2014-15). So, the 100 transfers for each of Madison and Marshall reported earlier must be the total for four years (i.e.~25/yr). The source and destination schools are not reported in this Report. It reports a total of 582 students making intra-county transfers (presumably equivalent to pupil placements) in 2014-15.

Interesting that Robinson's mobility rate is among the lowest in the county (second only to Langley and TJ).

And Falls Church is second highest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the data I find is dated but here it is: http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:109:6449408519455::NO:0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:070,0 it's in a pdf file.

Look at the Mobility Report - pg. 15 shows the R2 intra-county transfers by HS (16 for Madison and 15 for Marshall in 2014-15). So, the 100 transfers for each of Madison and Marshall reported earlier must be the total for four years (i.e.~25/yr). The source and destination schools are not reported in this Report. It reports a total of 582 students making intra-county transfers (presumably equivalent to pupil placements) in 2014-15.

Interesting that Robinson's mobility rate is among the lowest in the county (second only to Langley and TJ).

That shows pupil placements aren't reflected in the mobility statistics, as last year the only high/secondary schools that had more pupil placements to other schools than Robinson under the student transfer regulation were Falls Church, Lee, and Mount Vernon.