why do people prefer AP schools to IB?

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Annandale and Stuart aren't options for us, as Marshall is geographically closer, so not sure how you can say my statement about my own neighborhood isn't true. As a PP noted, SES is the driving factor, not AP vs. IB.

Yes. And, the only reason that PP is allowed is because it is "IB preference'. Another reason to put AP in all schools. It would be interesting to see which schools have the most outplacement for IB. That used to be available, but I don't think it is anymore. Does anyone know?

Ideally, all schools would offer both.

It's a waste of money to have IB in as many schools as is the case today. There's no need to double down and waste even more money on it.

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Ideally, all schools would offer both.


It's a waste of money to have IB in as many schools as is the case today. There's no need to double down and waste even more money on it.

Agree. Some of the schools with IB are already having trouble sustaining it. Cannot imagine having both in all schools.

Put it in two schools in different parts of the county and convert rest to AP. Money saved. People happy. No brainer.

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Ideally, all schools would offer both.


It's a waste of money to have IB in as many schools as is the case today. There's no need to double down and waste even more money on it.

Agree. Some of the schools with IB are already having trouble sustaining it. Cannot imagine having both in all schools.

Put it in two schools in different parts of the county and convert rest to AP. Money saved. People happy. No brainer.

Yes.

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Promote IB as the standard - focus on improving outcomes for all as measured against international standards - encourage service and citizenship. This is the Portrait of a Graduate objective.

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Anonymous wrote:Promote IB as the standard - focus on improving outcomes for all as measured against international standards - encourage service and citizenship. This is the Portrait of a Graduate objective.

When the PISA tests have been administered, the highest performing schools were AP high schools. There's too much IB already, as evidenced by the low IB participation and diploma rates at most schools that offer the program.

So, no. They can find another way to satisfy themselves that they've made progress towards achieving their citizenship goals.

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Anonymous wrote:Promote IB as the standard - focus on improving outcomes for all as measured against international standards - encourage service and citizenship. This is the Portrait of a Graduate objective.

Hey Tamara -- nice try, but facts are facts. It's not working. Your plan had its turn. Time to try something new.

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Anonymous wrote:Promote IB as the standard - focus on improving outcomes for all as measured against international standards - encourage service and citizenship. This is the Portrait of a Graduate objective.

When the PISA tests have been administered, the highest performing schools were AP high schools. There's too much IB already, as evidenced by the low IB participation and diploma rates at most schools that offer the program.

So, no. They can find another way to satisfy themselves that they've made progress towards achieving their citizenship goals.

PISA is given to freshmen, so the influence of IB or AP is nil.

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Anonymous wrote:Promote IB as the standard - focus on improving outcomes for all as measured against international standards - encourage service and citizenship. This is the Portrait of a Graduate objective.

When the PISA tests have been administered, the highest performing schools were AP high schools. There's too much IB already, as evidenced by the low IB participation and diploma rates at most schools that offer the program.

So, no. They can find another way to satisfy themselves that they've made progress towards achieving their citizenship goals.

PISA is given to freshmen, so the influence of IB or AP is nil.

Ha!! Busted.

Again: you have no way to show that AP schools perform better than IB schools BECAUSE of AP. Adjust for SES, then talk.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: IB costs significantly more and more people prefer AP in any case.

Sure fire information that will ensure the SB never changes it. It makes too much sense to eliminate IB programs in some of the schools.

You are confusing "people prefer AP" with "people prefer to buy real estate in school districts that happen to be zoned to AP schools". You don't know that people buy there BECAUSE of AP offerings at schools, or that they wouldn't be if AP was not offered. The fact that Marshall is an IB school did not slow down the buying in its district. Quality of schools is a factor of SES of people zoned for these schools. An IB school in a rich area will be better than an AP school in a poor area. I sincerely hope that is not a surprise to you.

DP here. In that general area near Tysons, Langley, McLean and Madison are the three sought-after schools, and they are all AP.

They aren't sought after because they are AP, they are sought after because of SES in their catchment districts, which higher than that in Marshall district. Marshall High performs better and is more desirable than say, Falls Church High - AP school.

NP. Very true. We're zoned for Falls Church and a huge percentage of the high school students in our neighborhood pupil place to Marshall.

Not true. Annandale and Stuart are the primary IB options for most Falls Church students. And transfers out of Falls Church will drop significantly when the school is renovated. It's a dump right now, like Marshall was for many years before its renovation.

It wasn't the renovation that improved Marshall, it was the influx of affluent residents into its boundary. All the paint in the world won't make people in the FC High boundary richer.

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Anonymous wrote:Promote IB as the standard - focus on improving outcomes for all as measured against international standards - encourage service and citizenship. This is the Portrait of a Graduate objective.

When the PISA tests have been administered, the highest performing schools were AP high schools. There's too much IB already, as evidenced by the low IB participation and diploma rates at most schools that offer the program.

So, no. They can find another way to satisfy themselves that they've made progress towards achieving their citizenship goals.

PISA is given to freshmen, so the influence of IB or AP is nil.

Ha!! Busted.

Again: you have no way to show that AP schools perform better than IB schools BECAUSE of AP. Adjust for SES, then talk.

No, I think you missed the point. The students (parents) have already selected the high school pyramid. The PISA scores reflect that choice. Yes, SES is a factor. So is AP and IB.

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Anonymous wrote:Promote IB as the standard - focus on improving outcomes for all as measured against international standards - encourage service and citizenship. This is the Portrait of a Graduate objective.

When the PISA tests have been administered, the highest performing schools were AP high schools. There's too much IB already, as evidenced by the low IB participation and diploma rates at most schools that offer the program.

So, no. They can find another way to satisfy themselves that they've made progress towards achieving their citizenship goals.

PISA is given to freshmen, so the influence of IB or AP is nil.

Ha!! Busted.

Again: you have no way to show that AP schools perform better than IB schools BECAUSE of AP. Adjust for SES, then talk.

You left out the fact that the parents of the higher performing kids select the AP pyramids. IB isn't a draw AT ALL.

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Anonymous wrote:Promote IB as the standard - focus on improving outcomes for all as measured against international standards - encourage service and citizenship. This is the Portrait of a Graduate objective.

When the PISA tests have been administered, the highest performing schools were AP high schools. There's too much IB already, as evidenced by the low IB participation and diploma rates at most schools that offer the program.

So, no. They can find another way to satisfy themselves that they've made progress towards achieving their citizenship goals.

PISA is given to freshmen, so the influence of IB or AP is nil.

Ha!! Busted.

Again: you have no way to show that AP schools perform better than IB schools BECAUSE of AP. Adjust for SES, then talk.

No, I think you missed the point. The students (parents) have already selected the high school pyramid. The PISA scores reflect that choice. Yes, SES is a factor. So is AP and IB.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Promote IB as the standard - focus on improving outcomes for all as measured against international standards - encourage service and citizenship. This is the Portrait of a Graduate objective.

When the PISA tests have been administered, the highest performing schools were AP high schools. There's too much IB already, as evidenced by the low IB participation and diploma rates at most schools that offer the program.

So, no. They can find another way to satisfy themselves that they've made progress towards achieving their citizenship goals.

PISA is given to freshmen, so the influence of IB or AP is nil.

Ha!! Busted.

Again: you have no way to show that AP schools perform better than IB schools BECAUSE of AP. Adjust for SES, then talk.

No, I think you missed the point. The students (parents) have already selected the high school pyramid. The PISA scores reflect that choice. Yes, SES is a factor. So is AP and IB.

Exactly.

You assume the point you are trying to make, then use it as evidence to prove your point.

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Aren't we supposed to have separation of church and state?

Some people on here consider IB a religion.

I would love for someone to please explain why it is worth twice the money of AP when most people do not want it. FCPS is a public school system.

Once more: make Marshall and one other school an IB school. Make the rest AP.

People use all sorts of excuses for PP-when the motive is frequently something else: SES, sports, friends, etc. Yes, people also PP because a school has a better sports team. I bet that happens at Robinson.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren't we supposed to have separation of church and state?

Some people on here consider IB a religion.

I would love for someone to please explain why it is worth twice the money of AP when most people do not want it. FCPS is a public school system.

Once more: make Marshall and one other school an IB school. Make the rest AP.

People use all sorts of excuses for PP-when the motive is frequently something else: SES, sports, friends, etc. Yes, people also PP because a school has a better sports team. I bet that happens at Robinson.

You sound like the people who want to get rid of AAP because it is too expensive. IB isn't prohibitively expensive. It may not be working the way FCPS wanted it to, but that doesn't mean it should be removed. It does mean that it might be worth a serious conversation about a magnet IB program, or moving it out of certain high schools, Lee, for example.