Fake News NWDC edition - too appalled to even shake my head

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Anonymous wrote:What's most disturbing to me is that every piece of evidence showing that this is not true just because a piece of the conspiracy for believers. Short of shutting down the internet I really don't see how you can combat this garbage

This is silly. We don't need to shut down the damn Internet.

While there is obviously no child abuse going on here, there was evidence of some kind of weird secrecy or creepiness. This sort of thing (even when there's nothing actually reprehensible underlying it), once made known, will tend to lead to unfortunate rumors and conspiracies if powerful and prominent people are even tangentially connected. The world was ever thus.

This isn't "blaming the victim." Sometimes it's best not to post photos of little kids taped down to your restaurant's tables. For the same reasons that I don't want my daughter to ever go around town without wearing clothing. There's just a good chance it might lead to something unfortunate.

Also, for those of you who are interested in exploring root causes rather than just dismissing people as crazy: My guess is that it doesn't help that the mainstream media really has gotten a lot wrong over recent years. They treated Hillary's win over Trump as an inevitability, as the most obvious, recent example. And the Post's PropOrNot piece was laughable as credible journalism.

Have you ever once been to Comet PingPing? It's a fun, family friendly restaurant. We love going there. I've never once seen "evidence" of some kind of "weird secrecy." Stop spouting nonsense.

Yes, I have been there multiple times. Including with my child. I live not far away. Again, I certainly don't believe anything horrible happened there. But I still wouldn't publicly post some of the photos the owner did. (And my post about weird secrecy was more directed toward the seeming code in the Podesta emails.)

My mom once wanted to put photos of my toddler in the bathtub on FB. I told her that she couldn't. The Internet is forever, and not everyone in the world is good. If I owned a small family-oriented business connected to my posted photos, I probably would have been even more adamant.

It doesn't help that Podesta's art included works by Katy Grannan. Look her stuff up.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43480-2004Sep22_3.html
the Wa Po, folks - not some "fake news" site/source

Not always. Folks attending a house tour in the Lake Barcroft neighborhood in Falls Church earlier this year got an eyeful when they walked into a bedroom at the Podesta residence hung with multiple color pictures by Katy Grannan, a photographer known for documentary-style pictures of naked teenagers in their parents' suburban homes.

And as far as Marina Abramovic's spirit cooking is concerned (bc I went down the rabbit hole), her art is pretty gross. She used pig's blood in one video as a substitute for menstrual fluid that was "necessary" for her spirit cooking. So you can say she's either very dynamic and unique, or you can call her sick.

Apparently, there was a painting in Podesta's office showing two men cannibalizing a third - all three, I believe, in suits. not sure of the sourcing for that one, however

But once Wikileaks went public and viral, it opened up quite a few doors that attracted conspiracy theorists.

Sloppy "sleuthing." You'd fail at becoming a spy, that's for sure.

You realize you're talking about Tony Podesta, not John Podesta, right? Tony's the one who is friends with Marina Abramovic.

And Marina Abramovic is a performance artist who has been around for decades and had one of the Museum of Modern Art's most popular exhibitions a couple of years ago, where people stood in line for ours to interact with her. She's so popular you could say she's become fairly mainstream in the contemporary art world. You may not find her so, but the people who collect and patronize contemporary art do. If you took a contemporary art class you'd see she's got a ton of company among the artists of the past two generations.

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Anonymous wrote:This is going to go down as the Salem Witch Hunt of the 21st century. So much hysteria and paranoia.

That's what I've been thinking since I read the NYT article about this weeks ago. We all need to read the Crucible again. Anyone who defends this place on social media gets called sick by people who've never set foot in that restaurant. It's so bizarre.

[Anonymous]

Podesta (who is Italian) probably got the handkerchief as a bit of a joke gift.

Will this do?
https://www.etsy.com/search?q=chicago%20hankie&ref=market

Pizza in some of those emails refers to...pizza. And a pizza theme fundraiser hosted by the Podesta brothers who are...Italian-American. And they invited a well-know DC pizza chef to be there from his restaurant: Comet.

Was there some code for some of them? Yes, but I think they meant people they wanted to meet with. Just like the Secret Service gives codenames to the POTUS etc.
The one that crossed my mind was that Pizza might refer to Nancy Pelosi!


As someone who has been on the end of spearfishing attacks, I can totally see how someone could be fooled. I never click on links in emails. I always hover over them. And if the link is obscured, I go to the website.

I am very upset about Comet and I live nearby. I can imagine a whacko trying to blow up the entire block now, God forbid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Podesta (who is Italian) probably got the handkerchief as a bit of a joke gift.

Will this do?
https://www.etsy.com/search?q=chicago%20hankie&ref=market

Pizza in some of those emails refers to...pizza. And a pizza theme fundraiser hosted by the Podesta brothers who are...Italian-American. And they invited a well-know DC pizza chef to be there from his restaurant: Comet.

Was there some code for some of them? Yes, but I think they meant people they wanted to meet with. Just like the Secret Service gives codenames to the POTUS etc.
The one that crossed my mind was that Pizza might refer to Nancy Pelosi!


As someone who has been on the end of spearfishing attacks, I can totally see how someone could be fooled. I never click on links in emails. I always hover over them. And if the link is obscured, I go to the website.

I am very upset about Comet and I live nearby. I can imagine a whacko trying to blow up the entire block now, God forbid.

Go read the Podesta emails. It was a lot more often than a fundraiser. Again, I don't think it was a pedophilia ring--but it certainly was some kind of code. Maybe, it had something to do with the fundraiser amounts. Who knows. It was just very strange.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Podesta (who is Italian) probably got the handkerchief as a bit of a joke gift.

Will this do?
https://www.etsy.com/search?q=chicago%20hankie&ref=market

Pizza in some of those emails refers to...pizza. And a pizza theme fundraiser hosted by the Podesta brothers who are...Italian-American. And they invited a well-know DC pizza chef to be there from his restaurant: Comet.

Was there some code for some of them? Yes, but I think they meant people they wanted to meet with. Just like the Secret Service gives codenames to the POTUS etc.
The one that crossed my mind was that Pizza might refer to Nancy Pelosi!


As someone who has been on the end of spearfishing attacks, I can totally see how someone could be fooled. I never click on links in emails. I always hover over them. And if the link is obscured, I go to the website.

I am very upset about Comet and I live nearby. I can imagine a whacko trying to blow up the entire block now, God forbid.

Go read the Podesta emails. It was a lot more often than a fundraiser. Again, I don't think it was a pedophilia ring--but it certainly was some kind of code. Maybe, it had something to do with the fundraiser amounts. Who knows. It was just very strange.

Right, and as someone upthread pointed out: that's what happens when you hack someone's email and take it out of context. You don't have the context, and it looks strange to you. Going with the theory that this was a malicious prank on 4chan, probably anyone could hack your entire gmail account and find something to make up an insane story about with your "code."

[Anonymous]

Trump campaign finally admits Flynn Jr.--the guy fostering the pizzagate nonsense--was associated with the Trump campaign.

Saw it on FB. Think the original article was from Slate.

CNN was talking about his involvement yesterday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Podesta (who is Italian) probably got the handkerchief as a bit of a joke gift.

Will this do?
https://www.etsy.com/search?q=chicago%20hankie&ref=market

Pizza in some of those emails refers to...pizza. And a pizza theme fundraiser hosted by the Podesta brothers who are...Italian-American. And they invited a well-know DC pizza chef to be there from his restaurant: Comet.

Was there some code for some of them? Yes, but I think they meant people they wanted to meet with. Just like the Secret Service gives codenames to the POTUS etc.
The one that crossed my mind was that Pizza might refer to Nancy Pelosi!

As someone who has been on the end of spearfishing attacks, I can totally see how someone could be fooled. I never click on links in emails. I always hover over them. And if the link is obscured, I go to the website.

I am very upset about Comet and I live nearby. I can imagine a whacko trying to blow up the entire block now, God forbid.

Now you're getting the conspiracy narratives mixed up. Nancy's connection to pizza is Goat Hill Pizza, which some believe to be a front for something else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this does a good job of explaining 4chan (the site where the rumor started.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/09/25/absolutely-everything-you-need-to-know-to-understand-4chan-the-internets-own-bogeyman/?utm_term=.7ba613c4578c

First, 4chan is the original incubator for a huge number of memes and behaviors that we now consider central to mainstream Internet culture. Second, 4chan is responsible for some of the largest hoaxes, cyberbullying incidents and Internet pranks of the past five years. Third, Anonymous got its start on 4chan — and the hacktivist collective is an increasingly important player in news events from Ferguson to the Steubenville rape. In short, the full list of things 4chan has given the Internet would be pretty extensive

There have been many names floated as to "who to blame" here: Facebook, Reddit, the mainstream media, the fake news media, etc.

Up-thread, Jeff does a good job answering what we know about the Comet Pizza rumor and where it first propagated.

But the blame, from what I can tell, lies mostly with 4chan. Learn about 4chan; what I've learned about it/them is disturbing. It is a sort of clearinghouse for extremists on the left, right, and simply off the charts wackos. It's the haunt of "anonymous."

If comet ping pong is looking for a defendant to name, the person is someplace on 4chan, but I doubt they will be easily found.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this does a good job of explaining 4chan (the site where the rumor started.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/09/25/absolutely-everything-you-need-to-know-to-understand-4chan-the-internets-own-bogeyman/?utm_term=.7ba613c4578c

First, 4chan is the original incubator for a huge number of memes and behaviors that we now consider central to mainstream Internet culture. Second, 4chan is responsible for some of the largest hoaxes, cyberbullying incidents and Internet pranks of the past five years. Third, Anonymous got its start on 4chan — and the hacktivist collective is an increasingly important player in news events from Ferguson to the Steubenville rape. In short, the full list of things 4chan has given the Internet would be pretty extensive

There have been many names floated as to "who to blame" here: Facebook, Reddit, the mainstream media, the fake news media, etc.

Up-thread, Jeff does a good job answering what we know about the Comet Pizza rumor and where it first propagated.

But the blame, from what I can tell, lies mostly with 4chan. Learn about 4chan; what I've learned about it/them is disturbing. It is a sort of clearinghouse for extremists on the left, right, and simply off the charts wackos. It's the haunt of "anonymous."

If comet ping pong is looking for a defendant to name, the person is someplace on 4chan, but I doubt they will be easily found.

I do believe that this hacker known as 4 Chan is the only reason Trump won. DJT is basically the first meme president and was spawned from the dark depths of the internet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump campaign finally admits Flynn Jr.--the guy fostering the pizzagate nonsense--was associated with the Trump campaign.

Saw it on FB. Think the original article was from Slate.

CNN was talking about his involvement yesterday.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/12/06/pence_claims_michael_flynn_jr_has_no_involvement_in_transition.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Podesta (who is Italian) probably got the handkerchief as a bit of a joke gift.

Will this do?
https://www.etsy.com/search?q=chicago%20hankie&ref=market

Pizza in some of those emails refers to...pizza. And a pizza theme fundraiser hosted by the Podesta brothers who are...Italian-American. And they invited a well-know DC pizza chef to be there from his restaurant: Comet.

Was there some code for some of them? Yes, but I think they meant people they wanted to meet with. Just like the Secret Service gives codenames to the POTUS etc.
The one that crossed my mind was that Pizza might refer to Nancy Pelosi!

As someone who has been on the end of spearfishing attacks, I can totally see how someone could be fooled. I never click on links in emails. I always hover over them. And if the link is obscured, I go to the website.

I am very upset about Comet and I live nearby. I can imagine a whacko trying to blow up the entire block now, God forbid.

Now you're getting the conspiracy narratives mixed up. Nancy's connection to pizza is Goat Hill Pizza, which some believe to be a front for something else.

I am not mixing up threads. There are various emails with various purposes. One set was clearly was the rental home visit, another was the fundraiser and a third is unclear. And yes, i know about Nancy Pelosi and her pizzaria. But just put in a name in a few places (it could be anyone) and the code makes sense. It was about meeting someone - not an activity. There is another Podesta email which is a summary on how to beat ISIS from a foreign government but was used to promote the story that Obama and Hillary created ISIS.

I will say it again: these people are whackadoodle and don't understand the context, will connect store signs to something more nefarious and are harassing our small business owners.

[Anonymous]

Just wondering:

Are the people on here who are so upset about "fake news" willing to admit that the Michael Brown shooting was "fake news". You know, "hands up, don't shoot"!

That was fake news that led to looting and serious destruction. Some may say that it has led to cops being shot. Wish all the liberals were as upset about that fake news.

[Anonymous]

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Capitol Police
Cleveland Park
Communist Party
Central Park
Canadian Pacific

My God, where does it end?

Them too? This is bigger than I thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just wondering:

Are the people on here who are so upset about "fake news" willing to admit that the Michael Brown shooting was "fake news". You know, "hands up, don't shoot"!

That was fake news that led to looting and serious destruction. Some may say that it has led to cops being shot. Wish all the liberals were as upset about that fake news.

Hands up, don't shoot! was built on a lie.

The Washington Post was good enough to admit that:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/03/16/lesson-learned-from-the-shooting-of-michael-brown

But BLM perpetuated the "fake news" of "hands up, don't shoot!" BLM STILL perpetuates that fake news.

And from the White House, we hear: silence (at least as far a BLM is concerned).

So do not pretend that fake news is anything new, nor that only republicans are to blame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just wondering:

Are the people on here who are so upset about "fake news" willing to admit that the Michael Brown shooting was "fake news". You know, "hands up, don't shoot"!

That was fake news that led to looting and serious destruction. Some may say that it has led to cops being shot. Wish all the liberals were as upset about that fake news.

I think all fake news is bad. Happy? How about you?