Fake News NWDC edition - too appalled to even shake my head
![[Post New]](/jforum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif){kind=icon}
Anonymous
Cite please, for fake news on the left of the magnitude and scale of pizzagate and Trump's tweets? |
Anonymous
| To the Trumpkins, anything in the Washington Post or NY Times is fake news, so anything that happens as a result would be the answer to your question. |
Anonymous
Yes, that is a bizarre sentence. Just want to point out: I'm PP, and I agree with you. (It's right there in my previous post that there is no pedophilia ring.) |
Anonymous
Bill's Lewinski affair was dismissed as a conspiracy theory. The use of torture in the GWOT was dismissed as a conspiracy theory. NSA bulk collection of every single American's meta-data and every e-mail was dismissed as a "tin-foil hat" conspiracy theory, AND denied, under oath, by DNI Clapper. Yet all turned out to be true. Sorry PP, given the frequency with which our government , and the two (2) political parties who comprise our government, LIE to us about issues minor and major, you do not get to simply dismiss unfavorable accusations as "conspiracy theories" or increasingly, "fake news." The American people do not trust our government anymore (nor should they). That being said, the evidence I've seen points to "PizzaGate" as a 4chan hoax, with no indication of any Paedophile ring. The story has no support in fact, nor even a hint of fact from anything I've seen. By the way, John Podesta's brother does indeed have or has a fine art collection in his Falls Church home, including photographs of naked teenagers taken by a well-known modern photo artist (would you like the WaPo link again?). I see nothing unlawful in that. What you choose to believe about that art is up to you. |
Anonymous
Fake news promoted by mainstream media: "Hands up, Don't shoot" in Ferguson. How much violence and destruction has resulted from that fake news? Lots more than Comet Pizza. |
Anonymous
Does news get concealed? Of course. Is anything you listed anywhere near similar to pizzagate in terms of sheer lunacy and complete absence of fact? No. Pizzagate is an internet-mediated conspiracy theory, similar to 9-11 truthers, chemtrails, etc. There's a big difference between coverups (which I agree with you, definitely happen) and willfully promoting or creating actual lies and conspiracy theories for political reasons (like pizzagate, swiftboating, Obama birthers, etc.) Cover-ups are bipartisan and to a certain extent government as usual. Using conspiracy theories as a political tactic is a kind of psyops used exlusively by the right lately. Puffery and exaggeration happen on both sides. |
Anonymous
So I posted that this should not be a Left/Right issue - ALL fake news is bad. And your response is to make it a Left/Right issue. No thanks. Not interested in that debate. |
Anonymous
This is NOT the PP that you responded to. I think this PP being ridiculous. |
Anonymous
Fake news is something invented from whole cloth. It's a lie intended to do nothing more than deceive the unwary and uncritical. The fact a reputable media outlet like the NYT or WP reports something which is later called into doubt or is disproven does not make the reporting "fake." The overwhelming number of journalists are smart, decent people who are dedicated do their very best to verify facts and corroborate witness accounts in consultation with editors. They want to get it right the first time. Reputation means something to them. And, when there is an error, it is acknowledged and corrected or retracted. Real reporters are fired for "fake" stories. There's no equivalency. By the way, if you've ever dealt with the media, you would know that they employ fact-checkers who verify the accuracy of reporting as well as on- and off-the-record quotes. |
Anonymous
Well said! |
Anonymous
Well, they certainly did not fact check carefully on the "hands up, don't shoot". Whether you like it or not, that was "fake news". They took Michael Brown's friend and went with that. It was reported widely and falsely. Journalists are expected to have more facts than internet conspiracy theories. It was a lot more damaging. The media did not do their job here--and look what happened. Very few mentioned that we did not know for sure that the statement was true. Reporters need to be more careful. Another example of "fake news" was that a video was responsible for Benghazi. Clinton knew that was not true and still put it out there. Should she not be responsible for spreading false rumors? Same with Rice. Maybe Rice knew, or maybe she didn't. If she didn't know, then the administration is responsible for not leveling with her before the Sunday talk shows. Even the President implied that that was the cause. Lots more damaging than Comet Pizza. The media hardly questioned it. |
Anonymous
Hillary being a shoe-in for Presidency |
Anonymous
That is not always true. Have you forgotten the presidential election controversy involving Dan Rather? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy Granted that was 2004; and Rathergate was a bitter reminder to the mainstream media (who are admittedly biased in favor of democrats) that their reporting would be fact-checked. Flash forward to last year: while not on the level of "60 Minutes," the left-leaning periodical Rolling Stone FAILED MISERABLY to fact check their story on an alleged sexual assault by named members of a male on-campus Greek organization. Their failure is now likely to cost the left-leaning Rolling Stone at least one multi-million dollar lawsuit or settlement for their failure to fact check. Further - the lie on which BLM largely rests: "hands up, don't shoot!" is not the equivalent of the Comet PingPong hoax (on that we agree). "Hand up, don't shoot!" is far WORSE - as that lie partially caused the cold-blooded assassination of 5 brave Dallas police officers who were, ironically, protecting the first Amendment rights of BLM protesters. |
Anonymous
|
^^^^ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/03/16/lesson-learned-from-the-shooting-of-michael-brown/?client=safari
Hands up don't shoot was built on a lie |
Anonymous
Right, those are memorable examples of a failure to fact-check, which were caught. I don't think anyone is saying that the MSM is perfect. Rather, we are distinguishing between failures in regular journalistic standards (which do definitely exist) and creation of a hoax/rumor out of full cloth that is later exploited politically. FWIW Ferguson is NOT the only reason for the BLM movement. "Hands up don't shoot" is a slogan; far from the entirety of the movement. |